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crocodile tears coming from the likes of you.

and just now you were calling Pak Nationalist a traitor to his tribe because he didn`t raise his voice against Pak fauj for the `killings, social injustice`, blah blah. when your argument fails, you then say his tribe is traitor to Pakistan as an insult, even though he`s infinitely more patriotic than your a*s. You really are childish luffy, with the intellectual wherewithal of a maggot. find something else to do, or some purpose in life other than constantly provoking Pakistanis on forums.

Desert fighter is young emotional boy..jaldi ghusa ho jata he...thats why i am teasing him but also hinting him that any one can also raise fingers about his tribe, urdu may kehtey hain na kay pehlay apney greban may jaanko...otherwise i am supporter of balochs
 
Lol lets see if ghairat of a tribal @Abu Zolfiqar awakens on seeing this photo or not......
The problem is he is a white collared faujified pathan, so is true for rest of pathans here...they belong to wealthy or upper middle class familites, wear patloons, live in islamabad or other big cities and consider it an insult to be associated with backward tribals...yes we have also kalay angraiz among pakhtuns.



I have been to bannu hundred times. Even to razmak, miramashah and wana.
He is slow, he wont pick up the hint


"White collared faujified Pakhtun"

I guess there's a first for everything :laugh:

Wasay salay tumne mujhe yaad dalwaya laanti meray patloon donay wali hai :hitwall:
 
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My family participated in lashkars against TTP...without salary!

Whom do you think you are fooling , bi polar kid , after all your posts in this very thread vilifying the Pakistan army and glorifying the militants ? :azn:

You are nothing more than an attention seeker and a drama queen .
 
What does clown op mean by "here"? False flagging twat or just another refugee on Pakistani dime?
 
The best thing Pakistan did is to teach pashtuns urdu. Thanks for carrying out the cultural invasion on behalf of us.

Also the thing abut unconquerable is mostly a myth. Despite not being a sedentary society and lacking natural resources, it's been conquered many a times, mostly because it was right there on the way of conquerors.
 
The best thing Pakistan did is to teach pashtuns urdu. Thanks for carrying out the cultural invasion on behalf of us.

Also the thing abut unconquerable is mostly a myth. Despite not being a sedentary society and lacking natural resources, it's been conquered many a times, mostly because it was right there on the way of conquerors.

Can you really say that with a straight face or are you high on methamphetamines
 
Enough about pashtun. They are not able to rule their own country. Even time foreigner are comming to their country....
 
Enough about pashtun. They are not able to rule their own country. Even time foreigner are comming to their country....

Yeah and they leave screaming

Enough about hindudeshi (of all people) talking about others being conquered.
 
Lets hear what former CIA chief ,Milt Bearden, say about Pashtuns.

The Pashtuns of Afghanistan : Alexander the Great also got in trouble here



WASHINGTON— There is a lake near Webster, Massachusetts called Chargoggaggoggmanchaugagoggchaubunagungamaug. Translated from the original Nipmuck, it lays down this thoughtful code for keeping the peace: "You fish on your side, I fish on my side, nobody fishes in the middle."

Halfway around the globe, there is a place called the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) of Pakistan, seven so-called tribal "agencies" along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan where about six million of the most independent humans on the planet live on 27,000 square kilometers of rugged and inhospitable terrain.

They are the Pashtuns, and they have lived on their lands without interruption or major migration for about 20,000 years. They know their neighborhood very well, and their men have been armed to the teeth since the first bow was strung. Their ancient code involves a commitment to hospitality, revenge and the honor of the tribe. They are invariably described as your "best friend or worst enemy." The Pashtuns' sense of territoriality bears some resemblance to the Nipmuck tribe of Massachusetts; when outsiders venture into the middle of their lands on fishing expeditions or to exert authority, very bad things happen.

In the 4th century B.C., Alexander the Great fell afoul of Pashtun tribesmen in today's Malakand Agency, where he took an arrow in the leg and almost lost his life. Two millennia later the founder of the Mogul empire, Babur, described the tribesmen of the area now known as Waziristan as unmanageable; his main complaint seemed to center on his inability to get them to pay their taxes by handing over their sheep, let alone stop to attacking his armies. A couple of hundred years later, in the middle of the 19th century, the British experienced disaster after disaster as they tried to bring the same Pashtun tribes to heel, particularly in the agencies of North and South Waziristan. In 1893, after half a century of jockeying for position with Imperial Russia in the "Great Game," the British administrator of the northwest of Queen Victoria's Indian Empire, Sir Mortimer Durand, demarcated the border between India — now Pakistan — and Afghanistan. The Durand line, as it is still known to foreigners — the Pashtuns call it "zero line" and completely ignore it — separated the tribes on both sides of the line into 26 agencies, each with its own laws and tribal councils. It was this area that became the buffer between the British and Russian Empires, an agreed-upon "middle of the lake." The tribes were then left mostly to themselves for about 80 years.

The Soviet adventure in Afghanistan began on a snowy Christmas Eve in 1979, and took a decade to cycle through, ending in exactly the same fashion as all the other foreign enterprises in that land — with failure. It was in the territories to the west of zero line, in the lands of the Wazirs, the Mahsuds, and the Ahmadzais, that the Soviets repeatedly failed in their attempts to establish their authority. They took some of their heaviest casualties not many kilometers to the west of South Waziristan and Wana Fort where the current drama now seems to be winding down after two confused weeks.

This time it is the Pakistani Army and its local levies, the paramilitary Frontier Corps, who have ventured into South Waziristan. To the west of zero line, American forces lie in wait for the quarry to be driven into their gun sights. The Pakistani operation has been described as an attempt to route an enemy alternately depicted as Islamic militants, foreign terrorists, or "high value" Al Qaeda fighters. Early in the operation it was suggested that Al Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, was cornered near Wana Fort. Now the word in Pakistan is that Tahir Yaldashev, leader of the radical Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, "may" have been there at the time of the Pakistani assault, but later escaped, possibly wounded.

As the CIA officer overseeing the final years of the war against the Soviet occupiers of Afghanistan, I served as a 20th century American version of the British East India Company political agent and quartermaster to these same Waziri Ahmadzai tribesmen as they stymied all Soviet efforts to "exert a little authority." Their leader then was Jalaluddin Haqqani, a man of uncommon personal courage, and a deeply nuanced understanding of guerilla tactics. Though his current whereabouts are unknown — some say he died of wounds from a U.S. air attack — Haqqani has transitioned from America's best friend during the anti-Soviet war to its worst enemy in the current undertaking in Afghanistan. He is at the top of the list of America's most wanted, and it is his spirit and the Pashtun code of honor that continue to drive the Ahmadzai tribesmen against whom both the Pakistani Army and American forces are lined up.

It will be a tough and unrewarding slog. Like most of the great confrontations launched by outsiders in Waziristan over the last 2,000 years, this one will probably end in ambiguity. There have already been claims of "mission accomplished" by the Pakistani army and the Frontier Corps — after all, they lost up to 60 dead — but there will likely be nothing concrete to point to, aside from claims of having destroyed a militant sanctuary. The much ballyhooed "high value targets" we and our Pakistani allies expected to kill or capture will probably remain unknown and unresolved, and the American Operation "Mountain Storm" across zero line in Afghanistan will probably wind down with an equal lack of clarity. Already there seems to be a sense of relief that everyone will quietly go back to fishing on their sides of the lake.

That's the way it's always been in those rugged hills.

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Milt Bearden was CIA chief in Pakistan from 1986 until the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1989. He is the co-author with James Risen of "The Main Enemy: The Inside Story of the CIA's Final Showdown with the KGB."

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So basically he is TALKING ABOUT FATA Pukhtuns. so how they become Afghan pashtuns in the first place??

as far as Afghanistan a graveyard for empires well that is fine somewhat correct since these empires were NOT directly based in Afghanistan but subcontinent.

i personally believe based on study that Afghanistan dint put much resistance to the foreign invaders and gave them passage to attack Subcontinent.

The firts Afghan war, second Afghan war and God forbid if any in future its THE Pakistani Pukhtuns along with some quarters of pakhtuns in Afghanistan are the ones who were/are the frontline forces.
 
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Can you really say that with a straight face or are you high on methamphetamines

The first part is jest but the second para is as true as it gets. Afghans only became a force to reckon with when durrani united them and gave them an identity. Before that the place which is now Afghanistan is ruled by various empires, Greeks, persians, Indians, kushan, Arab, turks, mongol to name a few.

Every nation has been conquered, even England, although being an island was conquered by roman, Scandinavian, germanic tribes and normans most recently. Generally a sedentary society like subcontinent or China has more chance of being conquered.
 
The first part is jest but the second para is as true as it gets. Afghans only became a force to reckon with when durrani united them and gave them an identity. Before that the place which is now Afghanistan is ruled by various empires, Greeks, persians, Indians, kushan, Arab, turks, mongol to name a few.

Every nation has been conquered, even England, although being an island was conquered by roman, Scandinavian, germanic tribes and normans most recently. Generally a sedentary society like subcontinent or China has more chance of being conquered.

what's indian empire yaara did you mean to say britisher raj?

So basically he is TALKING ABOUT FATA Pukhtuns. so how they become Afghan pashtuns in the first place??

as far as Afghanistan a graveyard for empires well that is fine somewhat correct since these empires were NOT directly based in Afghanistan but subcontinent.

i personally believe based on study that Afghanistan dint put much resistance to the foreign invaders and gave them passage to attack Subcontinent.

The firts Afghan war, second Afghan war and God forbid if any in future its THE Pakistani Pukhtuns along with some quarters of pakhtuns in Afghanistan are the ones who were/are the frontline forces.

it was never really about tactics until much later when arms dealers black market and war profiteering became a lucrative enterprise

in actuality, it was just NOT fearing death and being able to bog down the enemy (physically but also psychologically) which ensured that the region really would be graveyard for any sorry son of ***** who dared to venture in un-invited

not "loving" death per se; but certainly not fearing it at all -- unlike 'western' entitties who are culturally different and who adhere to an ethos so alien to our part of the world

you know,

Samuel Huntington was not too off the mark --- if things go the way they are going
 
what's indian empire yaara did you mean to say britisher raj?

Maurya Empire, Pala Empire


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