The PAF is set to receive a batch of Egyptian Air Force Mirage-Vs

[Sunny4pak]

if they were that much good why France stop production and some 15 countries retired them already

Sir Je, Coz Itnay Paison mein Yahi Kuch Milta hai. Money hai tu Honey hai, I mean not that GF Honny.

 

[Ultima Thule]

USA had retractable wings so that the F14 could be used for low level flight as well as high level.

Not retractable but right word for F14 was VARIABLE SWEEP WING

 

[BATMAN]

Thank you Egypt & thank you Sisi.... and that's the only thank you will ever get here.

 

[mzeeshanfahd]

JH-7 should have been bought for scrap prices,
i am sure China would want to push that if someone wants.

Aren’t they Bomb Trucks ?

now now come on .... you are trying to poke #mustankhan ..... you naughty boy .....

 

[Armchair]

It was more of the later. Cheetah upgrade or even a tier 2 upgrade would have brought systems and aircraft closer to M2K; this would have included helmet mounted sights (20 yrs back). french had bigger packets to pay.

What a shame. And then someone will say "PAF are professionals, they know best, don't question them"

 

[StormBreaker]

now now come on .... you are trying to poke #mustankhan ..... you naughty boy .....

 

[Armchair]

Mastan Khan doesn't actually think the JH-7 is a good aircraft for the Mirage platform for strike missions over land.

I personally feel we should take a page from the US play book. When the US faced an increasingly better equiped Soviet capability in terms of SAMs and IADS, they didn't try to make bigger, faster, more sophisticated strike aircraft.

They went old school with Skunk works, built aircraft out of spare parts bin, and built the "Wobbling Goblin". An aircraft with a specific mission - to evade radar and put two 2000lb laser guided bombs on target.

What Pak needs is a Mirage 2000 - JF-17 - F-117 hybrid. A mangled genetic khichri that will do exactly that. We need a Pakistani Skunk Works team.

 

[The Eagle]

What a shame. And then someone will say "PAF are professionals, they know best, don't question them"

Indeed, they can see the other side of coin as well. There are mistakes for any reasons but still, PAF as a whole have achievements and that fits the definition of them being professional.. I mean still, far better than the ones have nothing but to mock & mock just because someone's dream didn't come true. Mistakes happens but given the size & resources of PAF, PA or PN; still doing far better. Questioning is not opposed as long as you aren't offending other people or hurting sentiments. Since, if you have claimed the liberty to mock a force including the people that respects them; don't complain if someone is coming at you. All just I wanted to say is, respect the opinion of everyone and don't just jump on the gun merely because of some past mistakes.

The shame that you felt; were the one beating the hell out of IAF on 27th Feb and does so before as well.

 

[Armchair]

Bribery is not a "mistake". It is a crime. Punishable except for the pretty boys who think they are above the land they swore to protect and flaunt its laws.

This is what we call apologetics. Making excuses. And this is why bribery harms Pakistan at the highest levels, specially in the PAF, more than the PA.

A crime is a crime. Stop making excuses for it. Stop lying about it. And stop appealing to patriotism and emotion to hide this.

Indeed, they can see the other side of coin as well. There are mistakes for any reasons but still, PAF as a whole have achievements and that fits the definition of them being professional.. I mean still, far better than the ones have nothing but to mock & mock just because someone's dream didn't come true. Mistakes happens but given the size & resources of PAF, PA or PN; still doing far better. Questioning is not opposed as long as you aren't offending other people or hurting sentiments. Since, if you have claimed the liberty to mock a force including the people that respects them; don't complain if someone is coming at you. All just I wanted to say is, respect the opinion of everyone and don't just jump on the gun merely because of some past mistakes.

The shame that you felt; were the one beating the hell out of IAF on 27th Feb and does so before as well.

The shame that you felt

I think its meaningless to talk to shameless people about shame - they just don't get it.

 

[The Eagle]

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Bribery is not a "mistake". It is a crime. Punishable except for the pretty boys who think they are above the land they swore to protect and flaunt its laws.

This is what we call apologetics. Making excuses. And this is why bribery harms Pakistan at the highest levels, specially in the PAF, more than the PA.

A crime is a crime. Stop making excuses for it. Stop lying about it. And stop appealing to patriotism and emotion to hide this.

You just need to control yourself and not to include everyone in the list of Bribery or corrupt lot. You are just branding the Force as non professional and still mocking the people that loved them. Just get the suggestion that you need to respect others opinion as well.

No keyboard warrior ever know how much accountability is being done and it was never marketed to play saint. You are wrongly taking the cover of a word "apologists" while shaming the force. This is should be the last reminder. You want to talk about corrupt or incompetent personnel, do bring the name & all the details along with your claims to support your so-called moral speech or otherwise, you can choose to stay out of it. Pakistan Military (any branch) shouldn't be used for self satisfaction just so that the one doesn't like anything yet never know the details.

 

[BATMAN]

if they were that much good why France stop production and some 15 countries retired them already

Delta wing has it's own niche.

 

[The Eagle]

I think its meaningless to talk to shameless people about shame - they just don't get it.

Just don't pretend that you are good at it and still trying to make a come back. You just disrespected a force without bringing specific details for discussion by jumping on the gun by someone else. You are not welcome in this thread and even if you try in other thread, I will be sending you out from discussion. Either bring details of personnel with accurate information of occasion and corruption or negligence or just don't try to be important by merely mocking the Force. I know you don't feel it but still, it is my responsibility to give it a try.

 

[Imran Khan]

Delta wing has it's own niche.

aag lagy tery delty ko allah kary fail ho jay kisi din zahir kha le ya dirya main doob jaay

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Mirages and JF17 Block 3 can counter Rafales easy...

 

[BATMAN]

aag lagy tery delty ko allah kary fail ho jay kisi din zahir kha le ya dirya main doob jaay

kitne bhutto maro ge!