The origins of tribes across Pakistan and Hindustan

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Sigh,it was my mistake.

Kashmiri Gujjars specially Bakarwals are far more closer to Afghan Gujjars than Puniabi or Rajasthani Gujjars.

I have one Bakarwal gujjar friend and whenever i vist his family i always notice their pesdo-Afghan look. They consider themselves purer compared to Mainlanders.

That's why i said that they always look up to Afghan Gujjars and pashtuns like Majority of Kashmiri muslims.

Apologies

@Talwar e Pakistan if you have any question regarding Gujjars of Kashmir or anyother people from wider Kashmir and jammu region feel free to ask, I'll try my best to answer.

But for now, This KP is going out for Smoke with friends. Gosh.. I love Cold weather, its in my blood

Kashmiri and Afghan Gujjars are close to Punjabis and pretty much other major Pakistani, being a Kashmiri Gujjar - I can attest to this fact.

Kashmiri Muslims here are on really friendly terms with the Pashtuns due to their close co-existence and support during the 1947 war, but they don't really "look up" to them.

 

[django]

Kashmiri and Afghan Gujjars are close to Punjabis and pretty much other major Pakistani, being a Kashmiri Gujjar - I can attest to this fact.

Kashmiri Muslims here are on really friendly terms with the Pashtuns due to their close co-existence and support during the 1947 war, but they don't really "look up" to them.

Bro their are lots of Gujjars in Buner too.

It's too bad Kashmiri Pandits look like dog shit. Oh well. Thanks for the information that you made up, you should go and change some pages on wikipedia to make yourself happy.

I'm a Gujjar with origins from Jammu, there are hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri Gujjars living in Northern Punjab who have their origins from Jammu. We look like our Jatt kinsmen and pretty much like any other major Pakistani ethnic group.

Also, no way in hell do Rajasthan Gujjars look any close to Afghan Gujjars, they can't even match Kashmiri Gujjars. Kashmiri Gujjars don't look up to Afghan Gujjars or Pashtuns; 95% of them don't even know that Afghan Gujjars exist. We are our own people and are fiercely proud/independent and look up to no one but neither do we look down upon others.

If you don't know what you're talking about, then please don't, keep your unfactual 'knowledge' to yourself.

Gents this Indian troll is best left ignored, one id is a Bihari Brahmin, the next day a Haryani Brahmin and today a kashmiri brahmin, he has ids names like vishrvamatra the green eyed Brahmin who claims origins from Kabuli Shahi lol he is totally unhinged, best not to feed the troll.Kudos gents

 

[Hamza913]

Stupid thread

but my issue here is there is no country called as 'HINDUSTAN' either India or Bharat.Hope mods change the title.. It sounds me like

The origins of tribes across Indo-muslimistan and India

Hindustan is, imo, the better term to use since the term India derives from the Indus river which flows almost entirely in Pakistan.

It makes as much sense to call Hindustan India as it does to call Pakistan Gangia.

Also, historically, Hindustan has always been used. It's still used today in fact, for example, you have HAL and a rather popular member on this forum called @Hindustani78

 

[James-bond]

Hindustan is, imo, the better term to use since the term India derives from the Indus river which flows almost entirely in Pakistan.

It makes as much sense to call Hindustan India as it does to call Pakistan Gangia.

Also, historically, Hindustan has always been used. It's still used today in fact, for example, you have HAL and a rather popular member on this forum called @Hindustani78

You don't have any patent rights to INDUS river as it flows in India too.So India or BHARAT are ok for us as OUR CONSTITUTION clearly mentioned these two names.

Some outside muslims may call Subcontinent converted muslims as Hindustani/muslims (including pak and bd) but we Hindus never agree that stupid name 'stan'. Period.

PS: Even America name used for entire North America before but now 'America' is fixed to USA and canada and mexico have different names like Bangladesh and pak.

 

[Hamza913]

You don't have any patent rights to INDUS river as it flow in India too.So India or BHARAT are ok for me as OUR CONSTITUTION clearly mentioned these two names .

Some outside muslims may call Subcontinent converted muslims as Hindustani/muslims (including pak and bd) but we Hindus never agree that filthy 'stan'. Period.

PS Even America name used for entire North America but now 'America' fixed to USA and canada and mexico have different names like Bangladesh and pak.

Whatever.

I'll call your country Hindustan.

 

[Hamza913]

No problem .... i call your country as Indo-muslimistan.

K.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

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If we ignore the first three paragraphs, that was a very fine note. Not strictly academic (not much citation but then this is Quora).

Thanks for pointing it out.

<sigh!>

@Joe Shearer I was referring to Indian trolls in my posts and most of them trolls in such threads. You can witness few Indian trolls above

 

[Hindustani78]

You don't have any patent rights to INDUS river as it flows in India too.So India or BHARAT are ok for us as OUR CONSTITUTION clearly mentioned these two names.

Some outside muslims may call Subcontinent converted muslims as Hindustani/muslims (including pak and bd) but we Hindus never agree that stupid name 'stan'. Period.

PS: Even America name used for entire North America before but now 'America' is fixed to USA and canada and mexico have different names like Bangladesh and pak.

Actually "Stan" is telugu / Khari Boli term which is being used by native Indian tribes since centuries. sthal term is linked to Stan.

Ayodhya Shree Ram ka Sthal hain yani stan hai.

Sita Samahit Sthal (Sitamarhi), the holy place of Sitamarhi is situated between Allahabad and Varanasi

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Real Hindu and Sikh Jannuas in India clain Jat origin and sing songs to glorify their jat
ancestry. I have one female Hindu Janjua Friend, and even she's a Jatni.

Stangly, only Muslim Janjuas claim tobe "Rajput"s.

You dont know anything about Janjua. I have nothing against Jats or other tribes because they are all great people with pride but Janjua is a Rajput clan and they are called Rajputs in almost all the historical sources and journalistic articles. They have also kept their ancestral records( read my previous posts) . Bhatti are also Rajputs. The ancestral home of Janjua Rajputs is salt Range (Photohar) region of Pakistan as described by various historical gazetteers. The so called people claiming to be "Janjua Jats" are either descendants of some Janjua individuals who married women from Jats clan or they are among those few who were settled in different parts of Punjab because of different battles during ranjit singh era . Rajas were allotted vast jagirees/lands by Mughal, British and other rulers. May be those Indian Janjuas who started farming and cultivating began to be called as Janjua jats my mixing up janjua with jats
Read this from your own indian sites
http://www.indianrajputs.com/history/

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Yeah! Get his ugly troll Indian *** bro!

I dont know why he is fabricating stuff
even if you search this "janjua jats" thing then you come up with this

The Janjua Jat (also spelt Janjuha, Janjuah) (Urdu: جنجوعہ, Punjabi ਜਨ੍ਜੁਅ, Hindi:जंजुआ[1], जन्जौ/जनजौहा[2]जन्जुआ[3] ) Janjeha (जनजेहा) [4]is a highly dominant and renowned royal warrior clan of Northern India and Pakistan. They are known as the most Valiant Kshatriyas (Warriors) of Punjab


https://www.jatland.com/home/Janjua

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hindustan is, imo, the better term to use since the term India derives from the Indus river which flows almost entirely in Pakistan.

It makes as much sense to call Hindustan India as it does to call Pakistan Gangia.

Also, historically, Hindustan has always been used. It's still used today in fact, for example, you have HAL and a rather popular member on this forum called @Hindustani78

Derived, yes, but went on to refer to the hinterland, to everything until Okean. According to Aristotle and to maps of the time, the ocean was at the end of the Ganges Valley, and then came the rim of the world. There is a theory that Alexander's ultimate objective, his ardent desire to go beyond the boundaries of the Achaemenid Empire, was to reach the rim of the earth. In front of him, after Hydaspes, was India.

Check out Megasthenes, to get some idea of the way the ancients used India.

I don't normally point this out, because there is a great deal of sentiment in Pakistan wrapped up in possession of the Indus Valley. The damage was done by Aitzaz Ahsan.

It is true that Hindustan has been used, but it was for the Ganges Valley, from Sirhind (guess what the name parses to) right up to Assam, but not south of the Vindhyas.

About HAL, if some day you visit it, you will find in their old headquarters, not the marble and chrome extravaganza next to Cubbon Park and the M A Chidambaram stadium, a large entrance hall with a portrait of a Marwari/Gujarati kind of guy in Indian dress looking down at you in some bewilderment. The gent is Walchand Hirachand, who, in those patriotic days, named all his enterprises 'Hindustan' something or the other (Hindustan Construction Company was one of his main cash cows). It was an MRO outfit started just before the war, with a magnificent endowment to Walchand Hirachand by the Maharaja of Mysore, Jayachamaraja Wadiyar, and his Diwan, Sir Mirza Ismail, but taken over by the then Government of India due to the imminent Japanese threat of war.

@Joe Shearer I was referring to Indian trolls in my posts and most of them trolls in such threads. You can witness few Indian trolls above

What can I do about them, except advise, guide and counsel?

@Joe Shearer I was referring to Indian trolls in my posts and most of them trolls in such threads. You can witness few Indian trolls above

What can I do single-handed about them, except to advise, guide and counsel?

I've worn myself out trying to bring them to some order. When the sanghis flooded in, I used half my negative ratings on them (the other half on green 'bhakts').

Now I just watch helplessly. My BP (without medication) is 160/100; any more of this and you will hear a loud, popping sound even wherever you are.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

What can I do about them, except advise, guide and counsel?

Well i dont blame you for them but i was saying that my comment meant for trolls so you dont need to quote such posts with sigh of despair

Now I just watch helplessly. My BP (without medication) is 160/100; any more of this and you will hear a loud, popping sound even wherever you are.

You are good poster. If posts on PDF are the reasons behind high BP then you should quit PDF. Health should be first priority

 

[Joe Shearer]

Well i dont blame you for them but i was saying that my comment meant for trolls so you dont need to quote such posts with sigh of despair


You are good poster. If posts on PDF are the reasons behind high BP then you should quit PDF. Health should be first priority

Saffron and green bhakts are the reason for my high BP, as well as a carelessness in taking my medicines. Also I am 67 years old; now that there are bright, fresh youngsters coming in, I think it's time to fade into the background and concentrate on my cooking. I've been turning out a few outstanding dishes, I tell you, and hope to improve it to the stage where at least 50 to 60% are above good, in the excellent category.

 

[The Diplomat]

Arain people

The Arain (Urdu: آرائین) are descendants of Arab invaders to the Indian subcontinent. Akbar Shah Khan Najeebabadi, an Indian historian of Islam, wrote that they entered India thru Debal, Sindh with Muhammad Bin Qasim in 92 Hijri (711CE). He refered to them as Areehai from Arreha (Jericho) which was Punjabized with a nasal sound to Arain. It is believed the word Arain is derived from the Arabic name Ar-Ra'i, "The shepherd", a title indigenous to Arabia.

Most Arains are very fair, and many have coloured eyes, which means that they could not be of Indian ancestary. This is more true because of the fact that even today Arains don't like to marry outside their clan. Even highly urbanised Arains do not like to marry "outsiders", resulting in Arains being the purest race in the subcontinent, Arains claim Arab descent, based upon the fact that nearly all Arains are Sunni Muslims as was Muhammad Bin Qasim. Large Number of Arains can be also found in Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Pakistan and other Countries. Under the British Raj after the two Anglo-Sikh wars the Arains who were classified by the British as a non-martial race (at that time they were an almost exclusive agricultural caste of Muslim farmers and small land holders.) were brought into the Punjab to replace the Sikhs, who classified as a martial race were sought by the British as new recruits. Unlike many of the Muslims from Afganistan, who were slow to accept the change to the British educational system and the change from Persian to English, the Arains stressed the importance of education for their children, and with the wealth gained from their hard work they were soon dominating the legal profession in Punjab and as lawyers have found around the world, their move into politics was an easy one. Arain is the Largest and most populated Muslim Tribe of Pakistan and Subcontinent with Population of over 70 Million People.

• Arains mostly use the family names (some former titles) of: Chaudhry, Mian, Mehar, Malik, Ramay, Bhutta, Ghurki, Ramday, Bhutto, Sardar, Kardar, Saleemi, Hijazi, Sheikh, Shah, Shami, Munda, Hansi, Gill, Daulay, Chachar, Gaellin, Mulanay, Qutab Shahi, Rattay, Goheer, Ghalar, Gahgeer, Gatku, Kavali, Basroo, Sappal, Jattalay, Bahalwan, Mudh, Teerandaz, Katarband, Bhaila, Rahi, Bhati, Multani, Sayal, Baga, Peer, Dhako and Alrai.

Hi, I'm an Arain and really enjoyed reading your article!
Do you know which cities Arains are found in the most? And the history of the Arains from the Mughal Era to modern day. To my understanding Bulleh Shah was not an Arain but accepted the cast later on, can you also provide a little detail on that!
Thanks!

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Hi, I'm an Arain and really enjoyed reading your article!
Do you know which cities Arains are found in the most? And the history of the Arains from the Mughal Era to modern day. To my understanding Bulleh Shah was not an Arain but accepted the cast later on, can you also provide a little detail on that!
Thanks!

Arain, the true Arain are the best people in the entire region.