The only way to tackle terrorism in Pakistan is to reform or close down Madrasas

[Salik]

French revolution, Boar War, WW1, WW2, Great Purge (USSR), N.Ireland War, Baath in Spain, Ukraine. They were all Muslims??

It doesn't justify your actions either. Read the menifesto of TTP, what they want is beyond expelling US from Afganistan.

 

[Secur]

MR. If you are not Muslim than plz stay out of this madarassa matter as it is none of your business as far as terrorist are concerned we know how to deal with them as we are already dealing with them and if you have any issue with us (Muslims) you are free to leave this country dont worry we will not stop you as you are not important at all. So mind your own business if you have any other than criticizing muslims. i dont know how you people get to be "THINK TANK CHAIRMAN: ANALYSTS"

How about reading and understanding my posts first? Or is blind following so important for today's Muslims that they would rather act all emotional and defend their revered Mullahs (mostly when they are wrong) than try to understand what the critic is saying? Burn and ask questions later policy, as noted from the recent attacks on alleged blasphemers? What makes you think that "you Muslims" are immune from criticism?

And no since I am a Muslim and most importantly I live in this country, it affects me and hence I have every right to ask these questions. You aren't dealing with the actual disease, you are merely treating the symptom manifesting as "terrorism".

 

[Hanzla Ammad]

What about safura attack the attacker was graduate from IBA so now close all the universities
Shouldn't

 

[Secur]

What about safura attack the attacker was graduate from IBA so now close all the universities
Shouldn't

However were apprehended from Gul House Madarsa in the same area and found involved in terrorism long before they could possibly have studied at IBA-KU-SSUET, that should tell me what? The secular education doesn't want you roaming around with TTP and LeJ operatives as the planners and perpetrators of the Safora attack on Ismailis were doing nor is sectarianism infused in students at universities.

 

[Secur]

You're true self has finally come out! Anti-Madaris cover is used to hide your hatred of Islam! I've already exposed you as a liar with your ''60K'' deaths you claim are unrelating to war on Islam.

Have a read of another comment of yours:

''Just how absurd can you get by starting to claim the deaths of Pakistanis are a result of joining a war?''

Quote me when you start to understand English properly and instead of skipping and conveniently ignoring valid points, actually start to answer something rather than shouting "liar liar" and "Ulema would know better" logic. I have no interest in continuing a discussion with a person who has outsourced his free thinking to Mullahs and is unable to form his own opinions but believes in blind worship. Your kind doesn't worship God, it instead worships a chain of God's viceroy of your sect who tells you what the God is asking for!

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Quote me when you start to understand English properly and instead of skipping and conveniently ignoring valid points, actually start to answer something rather than shouting "liar liar" and "Ulema would know better" logic. I have no interest in continuing a discussion with a person who has outsourced his free thinking to Mullahs and is unable to form his own opinions but believes in blind worship. Your kind doesn't worship God, it instead worships a chain of God's viceroy of your sect who tells you what the God is asking for!

You crossed the line when you insulted my faith. You have not made any valid comments other than spew your hatred all over the thread. Comments like; Madaris graduates are good for nothing (paraphrasing) because they lack ''real'' skills. We have Madaris that teach medicine and Islamic knowledge to girls and boys. If you would have come with a ''sane'' mind, I would have educated you on what goes on in a Madrassa.

''I have no interest in continuing a discussion with a person who has outsourced his free thinking to Mullahs and is unable to form his own opinions but believes in blind worship. Your kind doesn't worship God, it instead worships a chain of God's viceroy of your sect who tells you what the God is asking for!''

I agree there is no point talking to someone like you. I wish you lived near by; A.K and take you to many Madaris and show you what is really taught! The social work; orphan, impoverished children get free education, I.T training (not all, but those who can provide it) clothing, and meals. Girls get free education, meals, shelter, and clothing. If the Government had done it's job, there would be NO Madaris, NO NGOs.

Again, it is your ignorance of Islam that you don't understand 'sanad' and 'ijaza'. Every Islamic scholar his/her line of teachers goes back to the Prophet as'salathu was'salaam. So, the understanding remains correct within the bounds of Ahal-Sunnah wa Jamath.

May Allah guide you!

 

[Secur]

You crossed the line when you insulted my faith.

Its your own actions and your blind worship of the Islamic clergy that insult your faith, don't try to blame it on me. I wasn't even once disrespectful towards my own religion but rather people who claim to follow it and then indulge in some of the worst killing frenzies of modern times.

We have Madaris that teach medicine and Islamic knowledge to girls and boys.

I know the kind of medicine that your Madaris teach. I have people around me telling me how modern medicine, polio vaccines and iodized salts are haram in Islam, all the time. Or educating others about the dangers of masturbation to the human body!

Every Islamic scholar his/her line of teachers goes back to the Prophet as'salathu was'salaam. So, the understanding remains correct within the bounds of Ahal-Sunnah wa Jamath.

Yes, and of course that ensures hundred percent accuracy and correction. Everyone learned everything from their teachers and never made a single mistake in understanding it. Just how absurd and ridiculous are you!

Or rather "assumed" as correct all the time in a thousand complicated (deliberately to ensure enslavement of the free mind and its reliance on Mullahs to understand even the most basic of the religion) Arabic terms! Because if what you were saying had even an ounce of truth in it, you wouldn't be having terrorists leaders graduating from religious seminaries in the first place. For instance: the terror den of Sami-ul-Haq known as Darul-Haqqania, Akora Khatak - the birthplace of psychopathic Taliban and initial training center for the modern version of it - TTP. Of course teach a little kid how modernity, secular education, democracy, statehood and science are forbidden by religion and there is only one place he would end at!

You deny the existence of radicalization and extremism within your Mullahs and the religious education, my simple answer is that there are dozens of terrorist extremist entities working in the best interests of Islam, to uphold its name in the world and to fight kaafirs (by killing Muslims). They are coming from your messed up and outdated religious structure, introspect then correct it before you become as worthless as the Roman Catholic church! Learn to utilize your free thinking logical mind rather than relying on someone else to do it for you!

 

[Salik]

Again, it is your ignorance of Islam that you don't understand 'sanad' and 'ijaza'. Every Islamic scholar his/her line of teachers goes back to the Prophet as'salathu was'salaam. So, the understanding remains correct within the bounds of Ahal-Sunnah wa Jamath.

May Allah guide you!

For 1000 years you've freezed your syllabus from outside world. Now you want to solve today's problems in context with 1400 years old Arab atmosphere.

When the Prophet P.B.U.H. said to seek knowledge you kept on running in cycle like a mouse ran in a wheel. Now you claim your lineage.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

For 1000 years you've freezed your syllabus from outside world. Now you want to solve today's problems in context with 1400 years old Arab atmosphere.

When the Prophet P.B.U.H. said to seek knowledge you kept on running in cycle like a mouse ran in a wheel. Now you claim your lineage.

Really, I don't know where to begin? Like the other poster who is NOT qualified to discuss these matters due to his ignorance.

Let me try to tackle this in another way; lets say you're an Aeronautical Engineer. To acquire the knowledge, you have to go to University and there after apprenticeship. Now, would you argue with someone who knows NOTHING about aerodynamics, but is just making statements to make himself look clever? Would you not recognise someone who is ignorant?

In the same way, an Islamic scholar who has spent 30-40 years studying Islam, can tell who is who!

As we're speaking in context of Islam so, what is 'knowledge'?

What syllabus has been frozen for 1000 years?

Hint: It is obligatory on every Muslim to seek knowledge! But, what knowledge is this that's obligatory?

 

[Solomon2]

...lets say you're an Aeronautical Engineer. To acquire the knowledge, you have to go to University and there after apprenticeship. Now, would you argue with someone who knows NOTHING about aerodynamics, but is just making statements to make himself look clever?

You would do EXACTLY that if you're trying to sell him your solution to the airplane requirements he specified. No reason for the customer to pay for product solely based on faith.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

I know the kind of medicine that your Madaris teach. I have people around me telling me how modern medicine, polio vaccines and iodized salts are haram in Islam, all the time. Or educating others about the dangers of masturbation to the human body!

I can't help your prejudice!

Yes, and of course that ensures hundred percent accuracy and correction. Everyone learned everything from their teachers and never made a single mistake in understanding it. Just how absurd and ridiculous are you!

I've already spent too much time and I'm not opening this door on usool al fiqh. See your nearest Moulvi.

Because if what you were saying had even an ounce of truth in it, you wouldn't be having terrorists leaders graduating from religious seminaries in the first place.

If what you say is truthful about Madaris teaching terrorism; I say this without a doubt, neither Pakistan, NATO or any other alliance would stop ''terrorists''. You wouldn't be fighting a handful of people rather 1.9m est graduating every year. There are about 40,000 madaris in Pakistan

Just because we have fringe groups like TTP/ISIS/AQ - Khawarij, you're branding all Madaris the same. Get a grip!

You would do EXACTLY that if you're trying to sell him your solution to the airplane requirements he specified. No reason for the customer to pay for product solely based on faith.

The Engineer would point to the door. Logically, someone would take a specialist in that field to stop them from making a fool of themselves and getting ripped-off.

 

[aqdus]

How about reading and understanding my posts first? Or is blind following so important for today's Muslims that they would rather act all emotional and defend their revered Mullahs (mostly when they are wrong) than try to understand what the critic is saying? Burn and ask questions later policy, as noted from the recent attacks on alleged blasphemers? What makes you think that "you Muslims" are immune from criticism?

And no since I am a Muslim and most importantly I live in this country, it affects me and hence I have every right to ask these questions. You aren't dealing with the actual disease, you are merely treating the symptom manifesting as "terrorism".

Haha really did you say "immune" from criticism. Sir we are the most criticized people on this planet right now just because we are muslims. yet you are saying we think we are immune. Fcuk those terrorists we doesn't even know that those bastards are even muslims or not. now come to ammunity. For what 1000s of Kashmiris are being killed yet you say we think we are immune. For what 1000s of Muslims in Barma are being killed yet you say we think we are immune. For what 1000s of palestinian muslims are being killed yet you say we think we are immune. there are many more examples. Sir for your kind information we dont think we are immune to criticism but atleast criticize on valid point dont critisize on some bastards bad deeds. Because we never did that kind of criticism to others and surely we dont deserve that.

 

[Salik]

In the same way, an Islamic scholar who has spent 30-40 years studying Islam, can tell who is who!

Ya who is who. Who can live and who must die right away. My school of thought says i can live, i prefer that. You reject my school of thought we reject you!

You impose your view on gun point, OK. Continue!

 

[Salik]

What syllabus has been frozen for 1000 years?

How can i tell
to the frog of well

what you see up high
is not the total sky

do not drag us down
let us show you crown

crown that is full of stars
one of them is Mars

one of them is Gelstears
at five million light years

water isn't that still
it can run a mill

wind has lot of power
it can bring a shower

it can shake a tower
it brings sweet smell

this all not in well

well is not to dwell

 

[JonAsad]

@Salik suppose we close madrasas in Pakistan, what about the afghani talibunies, uzbeks that doing terrorism in Pakistan?-

Is that the part where you say "Allah O Akbar" and then blow up?

Nice to see you follow the international trend of making fun of such a graceful takbeer-
Power to the goras-