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The New Pakistan US Relationship (After the Salala Check-Post Attack)

It is not fair that Pakistan build roads with high mark up loans and continue to pay debt simply because Afghanistan and its foreign contractors needed supplies!

If they want transit they must pay all the expense and including administrative charges, together with transit surcharge and costs of road.
While no weapons shall be allowed and no fuel subsidies. Instead, fuel shall be sold $1+/liter than Pakistan market.

While all transit collection shall be payed to build FC checkposts & bunkers along the Afghan border.
 
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Here's the dilemma,

If they had to resume relations why did they break it in the first place ?
and if it was a matter of re-negotiations then two things must be made clear

1. What is the change in modus operendi , and what has been agreed
2. Why were the previous governments so short sighted, that we had to re-negotiate on the blood of our soldiers ?
3. If there are any pressure tactics involved from NATO/US, what are they ?

Unless the government makes people a part of securing Pakistan, the Government will find them selves weak and alone.

Unfortunately I see that Pakistan government is not working for Pakistan, their objectives seem to be somewhere else.
 
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So the question is, outside of potential tariffs on NATO supplies transiting through Pakistan, what are the other recommendations proposed by the 'bipartisan parliamentary committee'?

And would the passage and implementation of these conditions by parliament indicate that parliament is taking responsibility for Pakistan's relations with the US going forward, since both the opposition and ruling coalition have vetted and approved these recommendations?

They should take control of foreign affairs and also be accountable, the Army has no accountability.
 
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One basic thing which shall be defined is that If NATO need air-support on Pak-Afghan border they shall call PAF.

Pakistan's deficiency is that its checkposts are made of loose stones offer no cover.
Shelters shall be bomb prof.
 
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They should take control of foreign affairs and also be accountable, the Army has no accountability.
Since it is the PNSC that is proposing recommendations, and since these recommendations will be debated in parliament, it would appear to be obvious that it is Parliament that is taking charge of a very important component of Pakistan's foreign policy, namely that of determining the direction of future relations with the US.

The only thing that I am not certain will happen, and it is essential that it does happen, is a public deliberation on these recommendations by parliament and the opportunity for the average Pakistani to listen to these deliberations in parliament and in the media, and come to his/her own conclusions on whether these recommendations serve Pakistan's interests.

If these recommendations are kept secret, and passed secretly, the democratic system will take yet another pounding, and faith in it will sink even lower.
 
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The only thing that I am not certain will happen, and it is essential that it does happen, is a public deliberation on these recommendations by parliament and the opportunity for the average Pakistani to listen to these deliberations in parliament and in the media, and come to his/her own conclusions on whether these recommendations serve Pakistan's interests.

Whatever is happening right now in the Parliament of Pakistan is far more transparent then between 1999-2008. During the 1999-2008 period, the Establishment (yes, you and I will continue to argue about that) had the virtual monopoly over decision making. There was not ONE government in Pakistan in any Province which could challenge anything. And so whatever President Musharraf thought fit became the 'received wisdom' in all government circles across Pakistan.

As to 'average Pakistani', I will believe that when I believe 'average American' when it comes to foreign affairs, at least.
 
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U.S. military trainers will be invited back into Pakistan "as early as April or May," but the nation has ruled out allowing CIA drones back into the country, Fox News has learned.

Relations between the two nations have been at an all-time low since 24 Pakistani soldiers were killed in an inadvertent aerial attack by NATO in November.

The Pakistani parliament is reviewing the nature of its relationship with the U.S., and politicians are expected on Jan. 30 to deliver a list of conditions for cooperation to resume.

The stipulations will include no covert CIA or military operations on the ground in Pakistan, and no unauthorized incursions into its airspace. Drones, which are the CIA's biggest weapon against militants hiding in the tribal belt dividing Afghanistan and Pakistan, "can never return," a senior Pakistani official told Fox News.

"They will never be allowed back, at Shamsi or anywhere else," the official added, referring to the base in the country's southwest from which many of the unmanned aerial vehicles were deployed before the NATO attack in November.

In return, Pakistan would allow back U.S. military trainers, including special forces teams, and a resumption of close cooperation with the CIA in targeting militants who use the Pakistani side of the border as a safe haven and breeding ground for extremism. It would also reopen the Torkham and Chaman border crossings into Afghanistan, which have been closed to NATO supply convoys since the attack.

"After this is presented to the Americans, a lot could happen very quickly," the senior official told Fox News, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Islamabad also would reopen its doors to high-level U.S. diplomats after an embarrassing snub this week to President Obama's special envoy to the region, Marc Grossman, who was denied his request to visit Pakistan in the middle of his tour of South Asia.

Pakistan says it wants working conditions with Washington that provide "respect for the nation, its sovereignty -- both its soil and airspace -- and equal terms of cooperation." Government members have said publicly that there has never been equality in the relationship.

"We understand the government of Pakistan is still working on its review of U.S.-Pakistan relations, and we have not yet received a formal report from the government,” Pentagon spokesman Capt. John Kirby said in an emailed statement. “Decisions about the level of Pakistani commitment to our military relationship are obviously theirs to make, and we respect that.

"We continue to desire a close military relationship with Pakistan. ... We both have a fundamental interest in cooperation, in eliminating Al Qaeda's ability to operate from Pakistan, and in ensuring a stable Afghanistan and stable region."

Pakistan, especially its military, has been reeling since U.S. forces killed Usama Bin Laden in a raid in May. The raid, which sparked nationwide protests and stoked further anti-Americanism, and civilian casualties caused by drone attacks are considered by Pakistan to be flagrant violations of its sovereignty by an "arrogant" American government.

Pakistan's foreign minister, Hina Rabbani Khar, said this week that ties "are on hold until we start re-engaging," but Pakistan is now motivated by the U.S. elections to move forward swiftly in rebuilding trust between the countries. Islamabad fears that if foundation stones are not laid before presidential campaigning begins in earnest in the summer, it will not be able to renegotiate with Washington until the middle of next year.

But the senior official suggested there might be a benefit to waiting.

"We would prefer it if there was a Republican government again,” he said. “Pakistan has always done well with the Republicans. Historically, over the decades, we have always had difficulty doing business with the Democrats."

The George W. Bush administration threw billions of dollars at Pakistan to fight Islamist extremists in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, when Pakistan was under the rule of the military dictator Pervez Musharraf. President Bush is said to have convinced Musharraf to leave office, allowing the country to become a democratic state, albeit a highly unstable one ever since.

Under the Obama administration, "we have been getting mixed signals from State, the Pentagon and the CIA,” the official said. “None are on the same page. They do not know how to deal with us, which makes it difficult for us to deal with America." He said that dealings over the past year with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have been "warmest [out of three] and friendly and she genuinely sympathized with the Pakistanis and reached out to the people."

But a gradual erosion of trust between Islamabad and Washington, brought about violence that Pakistan blames on the U.S. and by intransigence by the Pakistani security apparatus to wipe out key militants, has brought the relationship to a bitter impasse.

Congress has stalled much of the $2 billion Pakistan receives annually from the U.S. in civil and military aid, and Pakistan will struggle without its full resumption.

Next month it is due to repay $1.2 billion interest on a $7.6 billion loan from the International Monetary Fund, which was deferred from last year. The government is expected to delay yet again amid a failed economy and poor foreign revenues.

Read more: EXCLUSIVE: Pakistan Official Says US Military Will Be Allowed To Return, But Not CIA Drones | Fox News
 
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So it would be back to square one pretty soon, eh? Whatever happened to 'self respect' and 'sovereignty' that the Pakistan Establishment has been shouting from rooftops and so vociferously? Has Pakistan already forgotten the incident when 24 soldiers were killed by NATO after a blatant surprise attack on its posts?

Whatever happened to all that fire and brimstone emanating from all and sundry about the need to teach America a lesson? What happened to all that anti American sentiment when the Pakistanis in unison said that they would rather die than lose self respect by accepting American largesse in the form of billions of dollars for their support in that so called WOT?

Seems all that was just a lot of hot air. Because the Establishment is well aware that they can go just this far and no further. Pushing America any further could even result in suspension of all aid from the U.S. controlled World Bank and the IMF which would be a catastrophe for Pakistan's economy.

As I mentioned earlier on another thread:

You can thumb a nose at a super power, but can't show it the stick!

So, it would be back to business as usual, sooner than later!
 
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they reject or accept drones..it doesnt matter as drone strikes continue...
the only thing which was in pakistans control was keeping US military / CIA personnel out of the country...
if even that is allowed....I curse zardari and all his government...
Only a traitor will ever vote for him and his party again.
 
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