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Only five bullets were needed to silence Multan’s bravest son, Rashid Rehman. Those who mourned his death were many: the weak and the destitute, single women without family support, landless peasants, bonded labourers working in brick kilns and farms, and of course, Junaid Hafeez and his family.

Languishing in a Sahiwal prison for more than a year, Junaid Hafeez had arrived at the Bahauddin Zakariya University with big dreams and a set of moral and ethical values he wanted to impart to his students..

As Hafeez looks out of the jail cell today, one thing is clear: a lecturer teaching students to push the envelope and think critically can no longer find legal representation. No longer does Rehman live, no longer can the students be taught that the ethics of the land have been skewed to restrict thought and inquiry. There were only five bullets, but there were countless victims.



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Rashid Rehman: the Rashid Rehman, an advocate and the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan’s (HRCP) Multan taskforce coordinator, was not just another lawyer and rights activist. Rehman was a beacon of hope for the many who could not afford or obtain counsel for one reason or the other.


“Across Multan Katchery, it was known that Rashid Saheb would take up a case even if a litigant did not have a penny with him or her. Even other lawyers used to send such cases to Rashid Saheb,” said a close aide to Rashid Rehman, who worked along him for many years but wanted to remain anonymous. He said Rashid used to remain in office until late night, something his close friends would warn him against, especially after he received threats. But he was a workaholic and truly dedicated to his cause and so he ignored any such advice.

“Rashid Saheb was on the forefront of the struggle to ensure rights for peasants and bonded labourers. Last year, his book was published on the rights of land tenants, titled Zamino Ki Bandar Baant (Unjust Distribution of Land), and it describes the situation of tenants and the injustice meted out to them,” he says, adding that Rashid Saheb remained active with Anjuman Mazareen in Multan, Sahiwal, Okara and the whole of south Punjab throughout his career. It was this spirit that made him take up the case of Junaid Hafeez who had been accused of blasphemy.

“His opposing lawyers said to him right in front of the judge during the proceedings of the case that he won’t live to appear at the next hearing. Rashid Saheb complained to the judge, who did not take notice of the threat. His killing is a big loss to the poor and the downtrodden of the region,” Rehman’s close aide said.

Ghulam Fatima, secretary general of Bonded Labour Liberation Front (BLLF-Pakistan), says Rehman remained involved in working for bonded labour for decades. “Whenever we had any issue in southern Punjab, we always sought help from Rashid Saheb, and he was always available without taking any fee,” says Fatima.

The BLLF chief recalled that one time, she managed to get some bonded labourers released through a bailiff with the help of Rashid Rehman, but then started receiving threats from kiln owners. “When I called him to tell him about the threats I was receiving, he said ‘it’s okay, even I am also receiving threats from the same people’,” she narrates.

Fatima says that when the Bonded Labour Liberation Act 1992 was being formulated, Rehman gave his recommendations for it which were incorporated in the Act. “Recently, before the 18th Amendment to the Constitution, the federal government again sought our recommendations, and Rehman, on our behalf, pointed out flaws and gave his legal input in the matter,” she says.

Rights activist and lawyer, Asad Jamal, says that nobody was willing to take the case of Junaid Hafeez, especially after the case of Shafqat and Shagufta Masih. After another lawyer, Mudassar, who Junaid’s father had hired to defend his son, gave in to the threats issued by hardliners, someone else was needed to pursue the case; someone with commitment.

“That’s when the HRCP and Rashid Rehman came forward to pursue the case, which was not moving forward for more than a year. However, he started receiving threats after that,” Jamal says, alleging that besides receiving threats from other lawyers, Tahaffuz-i-Namoos-i-Risalat also held a protest in front of his office.

Deploring the state of justice in the country, Jamal says: “Rashid Rehman objected when, while indicting Hafeez, the judge referred to the books of a famous Urdu fiction writer that were recovered from his room. However, his objection was ignored.”

Jamal says that the FIR mentions that Junaid Hafeez was operating two groups on Facebook: “So-Called Liberals of Pakistan” and “Mullah Munafiq”. Even though it was so easy to trace out where the groups were being operated from, the police did not probe the ownership issue. The ridiculous part is that both groups remained functional and continued with updates even when Junaid Hafeez was in jail.

“After receiving threats, he looked concerned and while discussing the issue with me he said it was getting too serious. But he was never reluctant as he had a strong character,” Jamal says.

Reminiscing about Rashid Rehman’s past, he says, “He has been working for the downtrodden for more than last 20 years and faced threats many a time. He worked in the 1990s for brick kiln workers and received threats from the kiln owners. Besides, he pursued rape and honour killing cases but threats never frightened him.”

Asad Jamal says that though Rashid Rehman had demanded the government provide him security, which it failed to do — as it does in most cases — but threats and persecution of the innocent cannot be countered by providing personal security to individuals.

“It is something larger, harming the whole social fabric and the root of the issue is this law which is being misused on a large scale. The state will have to deal with it,” argues Jamal.

Talking about Rashid Rehman, HRCP Secretary General I.A. Rehman says the killing of Rashid is a big loss for the commission as he used to take care of the whole region of southern Punjab up to Rahim Yar Khan. “After he received threats, we wrote to the government and the police and, despite acknowledging the gravity of the situation, they did not do anything to provide him security,” he says.

I. A. Rehman says the people cannot do anything to stop such happenings. “The state and the government will have to step in to stop the menace or the whole country will be in a big trouble, in fact it already is in a big trouble.”

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Junaid Hafeez: scholar, teacher, prisoner

Junaid Hafeez is not just another ordinary accused — as in most of blasphemy cases. He is an idealist in a conservative orthodox society which has no space for logic. Hailing from Rajanpur, he won the gold medal in pre-medical in Board of Intermediate and Secondary Education DG Khan, standing first in the board. In 2003, he joined King Edward Medical College to become a doctor, a dream of many of science students in the country. “He was not interested in pursuing his medical education. Instead, he was more interested in literature and social sciences,” says one of his close friends who requested not to be named.

In 2006, Hafeez left King Edward, went back to his region and joined Bahauddin Zakariya University Multan to undertake a BA Hons in English Literature.

“The boy is a scholar. When I went to meet him, he had books with him, of philosophy and literature. One of the books I saw was of Tariq Rehman,” Zia says, adding that Hafeez is a teacher and was teaching other inmates at the jail.
“It was when I watched Dead Poets Society in my days at medical university that I decided to give up medicine as a profession and opted for a degree in English language and literature. My interest in the subject has been nurtured by the texts I studied like Love in the Time of Cholera, and the movies I watched such as Ijazat and Dil Se,” writes Junaid in his personal statement that he sent to the Jackson State University, Jackson, Mississippi, US.

Hafeez was one of only five students selected for a highly-competitive exchange programme for America, where he studied theatre, photography and American literature.

For his MPhil thesis, Hafeez chose to decode the layers of Pakistani masculinity through an ethnographic study of masculinity in popular cinema in Multan. He had also written four research papers on cinema, feminism and Seraiki literature and was working on research on feminism, masculinity and film. He had also translated short stories of South Punjab writers into English and wanted to publish an anthology of his translated works. He was a poet as well.

Hafeez started teaching at the BZU as a visiting lecturer in 2011 while also teaching at the College of Design, Multan.

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Bahauddin Zakariya University, Multan


“Many of his colleagues were not happy with him and he was also a victim of peer politics in his department. However, the head of his department supported him in a hostile atmosphere, so his opponents could not do anything to him,” says his friend, hinting at the animosity which resulted in a right-wing religious group at the university working against him.

“He became a victim of politics at the department. New vacancies were going to open at the BZU English Department, and a group of right-wing students with help from those who did not want to see Junaid in the department, implicated him in the case,” says Afiya Zia, a human rights activist, who met Junaid at Sahiwal jail after his arrest.

“Most of blasphemy accused are implicated in fake cases. Most of the times, there are other ulterior motives behind such cases. The Facebook pages that Junaid was accused of operating continued after he was arrested and jailed,” she says.

“The boy is a scholar. When I went to meet him, he had books with him, of philosophy and literature. One of the books I saw was of Tariq Rehman,” Zia says, adding that Hafeez is a teacher and was teaching other inmates at the jail. She says that though he is mentally a strong young man, but he too must be very concerned after Rashid Rehman’s murder.

“The root of the issue is the law which is misused and abused to implicate people. This practice should be stopped, otherwise, society will have to pay a heavy price for it though we have already paid a heavy price so far,” she says.

Hafeez’s friend says that he was quite religious as well. “Once he told me how to be a practising Muslim. ‘Start saying prayers during Ramazan, then it will be your habit’ he told me,” says his friend.

“Junaid has his own philosophical views and he is more inclined towards Sufism but it does not mean he is non-religious. He is just more straightforward and daring,” his friend says.

Published in Dawn, Sunday Magazine, May 18th, 2014

The murder of reason - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
 
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on PDF, there are lots of Pakistanis who hate the "mullah" in general. It stems from the jahalat of the "mullas", pretenders or qualified. But as the above piece shows, most of these mullas are not men of character but have agendas and motives.

What is lacking is the open forum for debate in many circles in Pakistan. That is the reason why you see liberal Pakistanis posting threads on PDF of life threatening stories of Pakistanis with similar values back home. That they live under the bullet and are coerced to behave the way against what their heart tells hem to do.

This is not Islam. In this religion, dialogue and debate is the means to settle issues, not oppression. There is no compulsion in religion. People do not realize but there is a lot in common between Islamic Usool and democracy, human rights, freedom of speech, and thought.

Something must be done about the mockery that is being made out of these blasphemy laws in Pakistan. Corruption sways, and misuse and injustice is rampant. If you kill one innocent man, its like you killed all of humanity.
 
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on PDF, there are lots of Pakistanis who hate the "mullah" in general. It stems from the jahalat of the "mullas", pretenders or qualified. But as the above piece shows, most of these mullas are not men of character but have agendas and motives.

What is lacking is the open forum for debate in many circles in Pakistan. That is the reason why you see liberal Pakistanis posting threads on PDF of life threatening stories of Pakistanis with similar values back home. That they live under the bullet and are coerced to behave the way against what their heart tells hem to do.

This is not Islam. In this religion, dialogue and debate is the means to settle issues, not oppression. There is no compulsion in religion. People do not realize but there is a lot in common between Islamic Usool and democracy, human rights, freedom of speech, and thought.

Something must be done about the mockery that is being made out of these blasphemy laws in Pakistan. Corruption sways, and misuse and injustice is rampant. If you kill one innocent man, its like you killed all of humanity.

There is no such thing as a liberal Pakistani.
 
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yes but there are Pakistanis who claim to be "liberal". We ought to understand them and their speech

I agree, but it doesn't help when every time a poor "liberal" speaks his mind, he finds himself staring at the end of a Ak-47. That leaves "liberals" venting their frustrations on social media, and I done blame them. This country has been hijacked by the fundamentalist right. Only people like you can talk some sense into them.
 
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I agree, but it doesn't help when every time a poor "liberal" speaks his mind, he finds himself staring at the end of a Ak-47. That leaves "liberals" venting their frustrations on social media, and I done blame them. This country has been hijacked by the fundamentalist right. Only people like you can talk some sense into them.
Had it been hijacked by fundamentalists... we wouldnt have all the weird things happening that do happen...the country is fairly hijacked but by a different breed of people!
 
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Had it been hijacked by fundamentalists... we wouldnt have all the weird things happening that do happen...the country is fairly hijacked but by a different breed of people!

I would like to agree with you, but the fact that several prominent "liberal" personalities have been systematically assassinated over the last few years, makes me think otherwise. I mean, even the article is about such personality. Or are you referring to something else?
 
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I agree, but it doesn't help when every time a poor "liberal" speaks his mind, he finds himself staring at the end of a Ak-47. That leaves "liberals" venting their frustrations on social media, and I done blame them. This country has been hijacked by the fundamentalist right. Only people like you can talk some sense into them.

this article also points to the fact that its not just the pretentious right, it is the wadera too in South Punjab and [ corrupt politicians and police ]

your emphasis on the pretentious right is not the whole story. The Pakistanis who are "liberal" are too honest, too straightforward, and too open for the corrupt politician, feudal lord, police, and may I say, some army people in Pakistan
 
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I would like to agree with you, but the fact that several prominent "liberal" personalities have been systematically assassinated over the last few years, makes me think otherwise. I mean, even the article is about such personality. Or are you referring to something else?
Everything is slowly being wiped out...from liberals to the crazy nutjobs (being called terrorist)...

What is left is some weird breed which swings where the money goes...
 
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when a pakistani shares his liberal views on internet social network.. he is labeled as liberal fascist (a termed coined by Hmid Mir and Ironically only liberal fascists stood by him when he needed somebody to) or desi liberals... like being liberal is only trait of goras..

We as a nation are going more and more conservative day by day! reason or logic doesn't matter at all in Pakistan!.. we have very simple solution of everything that is 'terror' or 'lynching' or 'killing' which emanates from conservative mindset! We are not willing to give any room to other to listen to him, understand him and come to a point! We have already ready made solution of everything whether it is applicable in today's world or not.. Javed Choudhry in his column said it rightly that in Pakistan, nothing is more powerful than Mullah...and this is what Pakistan has been exporting, propagating and professing since 1979.. mullahism!!

Anyway.. i strongly demand that state must act and find the killers of Rashid Rehman without any delay and give them due punishment.. secondly Junaid Hafeez must be provided with adequate security!..
 
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when a pakistani shares his liberal views on internet social network.. he is labeled as liberal fascist (a termed coined by Hmid Mir and Ironically only liberal fascists stood by him when he needed somebody to) or desi liberals... like being liberal is only trait of goras..

We as a nation are going more and more conservative day by day! reason or logic doesn't matter at all in Pakistan!.. we have very simple solution of everything that is 'terror' or 'lynching' or 'killing' which emanates from conservative mindset! We are not willing to give any room to other to listen to him, understand him and come to a point! We have already ready made solution of everything whether it is applicable in today's world or not.. Javed Choudhry in his column said it rightly that in Pakistan, nothing is more powerful than Mullah...and this is what Pakistan has been exporting, propagating and professing since 1979.. mullahism!!

Anyway.. i strongly demand that state must act and find the killers of Rashid Rehman without any delay and give them due punishment.. secondly Junaid Hafeez must be provided with adequate security!..

The country is NOT going conservative. Pakistanis are going more "liberal". Again, please you seem to have missed the point. The mulla is not the whole story. The mulla, though a reality, is an escape goat.

As @Akheilos pointed out twice. it is certainly the strange breed spreading like cancer in Pakistan and perhaps the whole Muslim world

the article is talking about the corrupt politician, feudal lord, criminals, oppressors, etc.

when a pakistani shares his liberal views on internet social network.. he is labeled as liberal fascist (a termed coined by Hmid Mir and Ironically only liberal fascists stood by him when he needed somebody to) or desi liberals... like being liberal is only trait of goras..

We as a nation are going more and more conservative day by day! reason or logic doesn't matter at all in Pakistan!.. we have very simple solution of everything that is 'terror' or 'lynching' or 'killing' which emanates from conservative mindset! We are not willing to give any room to other to listen to him, understand him and come to a point! We have already ready made solution of everything whether it is applicable in today's world or not.. Javed Choudhry in his column said it rightly that in Pakistan, nothing is more powerful than Mullah...and this is what Pakistan has been exporting, propagating and professing since 1979.. mullahism!!

Anyway.. i strongly demand that state must act and find the killers of Rashid Rehman without any delay and give them due punishment.. secondly Junaid Hafeez must be provided with adequate security!..


and this reply of yours was a typical rant against mullahism that I as expecting and mentioned earlier

Pakistanis who espouse liberalism ought to be smart and look at the bigger picture. They should not fall for the typical bait of mullahism. Yes mullahism is there, no one is denying that.

But this liberal versus mullah is a false dichotomy. Having being acquainted with Mullahs in Pakistan, they hardly talk about liberals within their circles. They are concerned almost entirely by sectarian infighting. Pakistanis of liberal persuasion are the least of their worries. So, who exactly worries SO MUCH about liberal ideas spreading in Pakistan?

Mullahs are used by politicians to sway the religious public of Pakistan. Mullahs are not the whole story. Sorry for being repetitive.
 
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The country is NOT going conservative. Pakistanis are going more "liberal". Again, please you seem to have missed the point. The mulla is not the whole story. The mulla, though a reality, is an escape goat.

As @Akheilos pointed out twice. it is certainly the strange breed spreading like cancer in Pakistan and perhaps the whole Muslim world

the article is talking about the corrupt politician, feudal lord, criminals, oppressors, etc.




and this reply of yours was a typical rant against mullahism that I as expecting and mentioned earlier

Pakistanis who espouse liberalism ought to be smart and look at the bigger picture. They should not fall for the typical bait of mullahism. Yes mullahism is there, no one is denying that.

But this liberal versus mullah is a false dichotomy. Having being acquainted with Mullahs in Pakistan, they hardly talk about liberals within their circles. They are concerned almost entirely by sectarian infighting. Pakistanis of liberal persuasion are the least of their worries. So, who exactly worries SO MUCH about liberal ideas in Pakistan?

Mullahs are used by politicians to sway the religious public of Pakistan. Mullahs are not the whole story. Sorry for being repetitive.

How can you say that country is not going conservative rather it is becoming liberal? compare the Pakistan of 70's era and now? do you see any difference? right now Pakistani's are scared of being chaffed by their coreligionists was it like that before? Jinnah appoints and Ahmadi as his first foreign minister, can just imagine it doing it today? Today Pakistanis are not ready for even bearing dead Ahmadis in their graveyards... and Hindu's dead body is thrown out of their graveyards... every years 5000 Hindus are migrating to India.. when Pakistan came into being there was a community of jews also in Sind province.. now there is none... The minority girls are being converted forcefully,.. Sikhs in Peshawar are crying for succor.. . Parsi community in Pakistan is drastically reduced if we compare now and at the time of partition or even before that. Not to mention Shia genocide and killing of soldiers in the name of God!...

every liberal voice has been silenced one by one at gun point!.. and you say otherwise.. consider facts before promulgating your ipse dixit..

This article is talking about one reason which is murder of reason!.. and Mullahs are tool used by the powerful since they have their own ulterior motives... for examples there are Mullahs who gave fatwa against Geo TV, right in the light of Quran and Sunnah and then there also Mullahs who are giving fatwas for Geo TV again in the light of Quran and Sunnah .. so where is the problem? One doesn't need to be a Plato to understand this..

Mullahism is not the bait, mate! This is reality... Mullah rule Pakistan after 1979.. only Mullah is ruling.. State is forced to do negotiations with them, state is coerced into keeping Maulana Shirani as the chairman of Islamic Ideological council, who doesn't know what rape is and DNA is the name of which bird.. Military always do alliance with Mullah in order to rule.. Mullah declares a channel haram and that channel is bound to publish a full page apology and air an apology after every 20 minutes in the prime time.. Mullah is the one who comes to help Army on the streets when needed... Mullah is the one who forces a cabinet to make Objectives resolution part of constitution.. It is Mullah from start till now.. my friend! .. it is not an illusion or scapegoat or whatever!..

you are again wrong here that Mullah doesn't talk about liberals at all then where killers of liberal voices getting inspiration from? It just takes a loudspeaker (which was once declared haram by same Mullahs) and Minbar and a Mehrab! This is the real worry of Mullahs that liberals are taking over Pakistan! Have you ever heard the speeches of Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Maulana Sami Ul Haq, Maulana Ibrahim, Maulana Syed Munnawar Hassan, Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Abdul Aziz who own almost 100% of madrasahs and following, as to what they profess, propagate and preach? Only conservative thoughts and their rants against liberal forces who just pen as their weapon.. and making Pakistan hell conservative society who has nothing to offer to the world except terror and murder of reason!..

sorry for being a bit lengthy!
 
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How can you say that country is not going conservative rather it is becoming liberal? compare the Pakistan of 70's era and now? do you see any difference? right now Pakistani's are scared of being chaffed by their coreligionists was it like that before? Jinnah appoints and Ahmadi as his first foreign minister, can just imagine it doing it today? Today Pakistanis are not ready for even bearing dead Ahmadis in their graveyards... and Hindu's dead body is thrown out of their graveyards... every years 5000 Hindus are migrating to India.. when Pakistan came into being there was a community of jews also in Sind province.. now there is none... The minority girls are being converted forcefully,.. Sikhs in Peshawar are crying for succor.. . Parsi community in Pakistan is drastically reduced if we compare now and at the time of partition or even before that. Not to mention Shia genocide and killing of soldiers in the name of God!...

every liberal voice has been silenced one by one at gun point!.. and you say otherwise.. consider facts before promulgating your ipse dixit..

This article is talking about one reason which is murder of reason!.. and Mullahs are tool used by the powerful since they have their own ulterior motives... for examples there are Mullahs who gave fatwa against Geo TV, right in the light of Quran and Sunnah and then there also Mullahs who are giving fatwas for Geo TV again in the light of Quran and Sunnah .. so where is the problem? One doesn't need to be a Plato to understand this..

Mullahism is not the bait, mate! This is reality... Mullah rule Pakistan after 1979.. only Mullah is ruling.. State is forced to do negotiations with them, state is coerced into keeping Maulana Shirani as the chairman of Islamic Ideological council, who doesn't know what rape is and DNA is the name of which bird.. Military always do alliance with Mullah in order to rule.. Mullah declares a channel haram and that channel is bound to publish a full page apology and air an apology after every 20 minutes in the prime time.. Mullah is the one who comes to help Army on the streets when needed... Mullah is the one who forces a cabinet to make Objectives resolution part of constitution.. It is Mullah from start till now.. my friend! .. it is not an illusion or scapegoat or whatever!..

you are again wrong here that Mullah doesn't talk about liberals at all then where killers of liberal voices getting inspiration from? It just takes a loudspeaker (which was once declared haram by same Mullahs) and Minbar and a Mehrab! This is the real worry of Mullahs that liberals are taking over Pakistan! Have you ever heard the speeches of Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Maulana Sami Ul Haq, Maulana Ibrahim, Maulana Syed Munnawar Hassan, Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Abdul Aziz who own almost 100% of madrasahs and following, as to what they profess, propagate and preach? Only conservative thoughts and their rants against liberal forces who just pen as their weapon.. and making Pakistan hell conservative society who has nothing to offer to the world except terror and murder of reason!..

sorry for being a bit lengthy!


I just read a few sentences of the above reply, and it seems like typical mullah bashing and propaganda. what I want to tell you that since there are more and more Pakistanis like you who hate mullahs, this is evidence that he country is going more "liberal".

I saw a few names in your post of deobandi wahabis and jamati wahabis like fazlul rahman, sami ul haq, Ibrahim, munawwar, saeed, Abdul Aziz. They are Pakistanis who have the right to express their views just like you have the right.

But once again, they are not the power in Pakistan. Most religious Pakistanis (who are Sufis) are against them. And on top of that you have more and more Pakistanis who are liberal minded. But what about the BIG ELEPHANT in the room? [ the corrupt politician, feudal lords in the country? ] They hate both mullahs and liberals. They use mullahs and hunt down honest liberals like Mr Rashid who was murdered for a reason!
 
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How can you say that country is not going conservative rather it is becoming liberal? compare the Pakistan of 70's era and now? do you see any difference? right now Pakistani's are scared of being chaffed by their coreligionists was it like that before? Jinnah appoints and Ahmadi as his first foreign minister, can just imagine it doing it today? Today Pakistanis are not ready for even bearing dead Ahmadis in their graveyards... and Hindu's dead body is thrown out of their graveyards... every years 5000 Hindus are migrating to India.. when Pakistan came into being there was a community of jews also in Sind province.. now there is none... The minority girls are being converted forcefully,.. Sikhs in Peshawar are crying for succor.. . Parsi community in Pakistan is drastically reduced if we compare now and at the time of partition or even before that. Not to mention Shia genocide and killing of soldiers in the name of God!...

every liberal voice has been silenced one by one at gun point!.. and you say otherwise.. consider facts before promulgating your ipse dixit..

This article is talking about one reason which is murder of reason!.. and Mullahs are tool used by the powerful since they have their own ulterior motives... for examples there are Mullahs who gave fatwa against Geo TV, right in the light of Quran and Sunnah and then there also Mullahs who are giving fatwas for Geo TV again in the light of Quran and Sunnah .. so where is the problem? One doesn't need to be a Plato to understand this..

Mullahism is not the bait, mate! This is reality... Mullah rule Pakistan after 1979.. only Mullah is ruling.. State is forced to do negotiations with them, state is coerced into keeping Maulana Shirani as the chairman of Islamic Ideological council, who doesn't know what rape is and DNA is the name of which bird.. Military always do alliance with Mullah in order to rule.. Mullah declares a channel haram and that channel is bound to publish a full page apology and air an apology after every 20 minutes in the prime time.. Mullah is the one who comes to help Army on the streets when needed... Mullah is the one who forces a cabinet to make Objectives resolution part of constitution.. It is Mullah from start till now.. my friend! .. it is not an illusion or scapegoat or whatever!..

you are again wrong here that Mullah doesn't talk about liberals at all then where killers of liberal voices getting inspiration from? It just takes a loudspeaker (which was once declared haram by same Mullahs) and Minbar and a Mehrab! This is the real worry of Mullahs that liberals are taking over Pakistan! Have you ever heard the speeches of Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Maulana Sami Ul Haq, Maulana Ibrahim, Maulana Syed Munnawar Hassan, Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Abdul Aziz who own almost 100% of madrasahs and following, as to what they profess, propagate and preach? Only conservative thoughts and their rants against liberal forces who just pen as their weapon.. and making Pakistan hell conservative society who has nothing to offer to the world except terror and murder of reason!..

sorry for being a bit lengthy!

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. :enjoy:
 
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I just read a few sentences of the above reply, and it seems like typical mullah bashing and propaganda. what I want to tell you that since there are more and more Pakistanis like you who hate mullahs, this is evidence that he country is going more "liberal".

I saw a few names in your post of deobandi wahabis and jamati wahabis like fazlul rahman, sami ul haq, Ibrahim, munawwar, saeed, Abdul Aziz. They are Pakistanis who have the right to express their views just like you have the right.

But once again, they are not the power in Pakistan. Most religious Pakistanis (who are Sufis) are against them. And on top of that you have more and more Pakistanis who are liberal minded. But what about the BIG ELEPHANT in the room? [ the corrupt politician, feudal lords in the country? ] They hate both mullahs and liberals. They use mullahs and hunt down honest liberals like Mr Rashid who was murdered for a reason!

i wish your highness could have taken time from his busy schedule to at least read the whole post instead of reading few lines and drawing inference. I have tried to respond to each of your point with examples while you are just claiming without giving any reference. come on!!!
 
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