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The Murder of Osama Bin Laden. U S Pakistan Partners in Crime Seymour Hersh

Renowned Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh has made startling revelations in a 10,000 word report about the May 2, Abbottabad raid, which killed Osama bin Laden in 2011, claiming that the raid was planned by the Americans with full knowledge and cooperation of the Pakistan Army and ISI, then headed by General Kayani and General Pasha.

Writing for the London Review of Books, Hersh who had broken famous stories like the Mi Lai massacre in Vietnam and Abu Ghraib prison story in Iraq war, said the White House version that the Osama mission was an all-American affair, and that the senior generals of Pakistan’s Army and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) were not told of the raid in advance was false, as are many other elements of the Obama administration’s account.

“The most blatant lie was that Pakistan’s two most senior military leaders – General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Chief of Army Staff, and General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, Director General of the ISI – were never informed of the US mission.”

“This spring I contacted Durrani and told him in detail what I had learned about the Laden’s presence in Abbottabad, and that after his killing the US betrayed promises with Kayani and Pasha and went back on the promise that the killing would not be revealed for about 10 days and would then be claimed as a result of a drone strike.”

Hersh quoted the former ISI chief Gen Asad Durrani saying: “When your version comes out – if you do it – people in Pakistan will be tremendously grateful. For a long time people have stopped trusting what comes out about bin Laden from the official mouths. There will be some negative political comment and some anger, but people like to be told the truth, and what you’ve told me is essentially what I have heard from former colleagues.”

Hersh also claimed in the report that bin Laden had been a prisoner of the ISI at the Abbottabad compound since 2006; that Kayani and Pasha knew of the raid in advance and had made sure that the two helicopters delivering the US Seals to Abbottabad could cross Pakistani airspace without triggering any alarms; that the CIA did not learn of bin Laden’s whereabouts by tracking his couriers, as the White House has claimed since May 2011, but from a former senior Pakistani intelligence officer who betrayed the secret in return for much of the $25 million reward offered by the US, and that, while Obama did order the raid and the Seal team did carry it out, many other aspects of the administration’s account were false.

Hersh claims that the major US source of his information is a retired senior intelligence official who was knowledgeable about the initial intelligence about bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad. He also was privy to many aspects of the Seals’ training for the raid, and to the various after-action reports. Two other US sources, who had access to corroborating information, have been longtime consultants to the Special Operations Command.

“I also received information from inside Pakistan about widespread dismay among the senior ISI and military leadership – echoed later by Durrani – over Obama’s decision to go public immediately with news of bin Laden’s death. The White House did not respond to requests for comment,” Hersh reported.

The long Seymour Hersh story also claims that Osama’s body was never buried in the sea and he quotes seamen who were on board the US ship saying they never saw any burial. He also says there was no Islamic scholar to lead the last funeral prayers of Osama.Likewise Hersh claims that the story of Dr Shakil Afridi was an after-thought and another person had been authorised by Gen Kayani to get the DNA of Osama.

Hersh claims that a Pakistani ISI officer had walked into the US Embassy in Islamabad and revealed the presence of Osama in Abbottabad and had claimed a reward of $25 million. “The informant and his family were smuggled out of Pakistan and relocated in the Washington area. He is now a consultant for the CIA,” he claims.

“The truth is that bin Laden was an invalid, but we cannot say that,” he quoted the retired official as saying. “You mean you guys shot a cripple? Who was about to grab his AK-47?” It didn’t take long to get the cooperation we needed, because the Pakistanis wanted to ensure the continued release of American military aid, a good percentage of which was anti-terrorism funding.

Hersh says at one point that spring, Pasha offered the Americans a blunt explanation of the reason Pakistan kept bin Laden’s capture a secret, and why it was imperative for the ISI role to remain secret: “We needed a hostage to keep tabs on al-Qaeda and the Taliban,” Pasha said, according to the retired official. “The ISI was using bin Laden as leverage against Taliban and al-Qaeda activities inside Afghanistan and Pakistan. They let the Taliban and al-Qaeda leadership know that if they ran operations that clashed with the interests of the ISI, they would turn bin Laden over to us. So if it became known that the Pakistanis had worked with us to get bin Laden at Abbottabad, there would be hell to pay.”

“At one of his meetings with Leon Panetta, according to the retired official and a source within the CIA, Pasha was asked by a senior CIA official whether he saw himself as acting in essence as an agent for al-Qaeda and the Taliban. “He answered no, but said the ISI needed to have some control.” The message, as the CIA saw it, according to the retired official, was that Kayani and Pasha viewed bin Laden ‘as a resource, and they were more interested in their (own) survival than they were in the United States.”
According to Hersh, “Pasha and Kayani were responsible for ensuring that Pakistan’s Army and air defence command would not track or engage with the US helicopters used on the mission. The American cell at Tarbela Ghazi was charged with coordinating communications between the ISI, the senior US officers at their command post in Afghanistan, and the two Black Hawk helicopters; the goal was to ensure that no stray Pakistani fighter plane on border patrol spotted the intruders and took action to stop them. The initial plan said that news of the raid shouldn’t be announced straightaway. All units in the Joint Special Operations Command operate under stringent secrecy and the JSOC leadership believed, as did Kayani and Pasha, that the killing of bin Laden would not be made public for as long as seven days, maybe longer. Then a carefully constructed cover story would be issued: Obama would announce that DNA analysis confirmed that bin Laden had been killed in a drone raid in the Hindu Kush, on Afghanistan’s side of the border. The Americans who planned the mission assured Kayani and Pasha that their cooperation would never be made public. It was understood by all that if the Pakistani role became known, there would be violent protests – bin Laden was considered a hero by many Pakistanis – and Pasha and Kayani and their families would be in danger, and the Pakistani Army publicly disgraced.”

Gen Kayani, Gen Pasha ensured no resistance to US Abbottabad raid - thenews.com.pk
I was saying this from day one and the thing that they used stealth helicopters is also a lie and not only we knew but we guided there helicopters towards Abottabad when they entered border they started moving towards SWAT. There were told direction than they managed to reach Abottabad
 
Hi,

Now I know why Kiyani and Pasha threatened to neutralize me when I sent them the letter----to shoot their brains out for failing Pakistan.

Both of them need to be charged with treason for not speaking up against the drama created by the Barak Obama and the rascist Pinnochio nose Pinetta---. They let the U S lambast Pakistan for Pres Obama's personal pleasure----.

I can openly say now----never trust an American nigger---never ever---. George Bush's nigger Condy Rice and the other nigger Gen Collin Powell.

Sitting here in the U S---and just listening to the news---I could tell that it was a drama created by Barak Obama. It was visible as day light that the U S president was lying---he was being deceptive---.

I have always stated that it was technically not possible to proceed with that mission as the U S maintained that they did----.

If the posters would remember I wrote a few days ago-----

Saab ( sir )

two goats are passing by

3 sheep herders are passing by in the valley

about 10 goats are passing by on the slopes

2 men with ak's passing by in the valley

10 armed Taliban passing by in the valley

2 helicopters flying by-------bla bla bla

Those in pak military know what I am talking about---. all mountain tops have observation posts where pak military jawans are posted as observers . Their job is just to report any movement of man, animal or machine that is happening in the air, in the valleys, on the ground or the mountain slope---.

The 3 weeks that I was in Pakistan last month----not one person gave a fcuk about the U S anymore. As a matter of fact----nobody talked about the U S anymore----. I was really really surprised at the lack of interest because my two previous trips were total different. Then everyone wanted to ask about the U S etc etc etc----.

I was conscious of the change----but it did not register on me till @CENTCOM asked the Pakistanis what did they think of the U S anymore---. Welll---the answer again is---they don't give a fcuk anymore---.
 
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Hi,

Now I know why Kiyani and Pasha threatened to neutralize me when I sent them the letter----to shoot their fcuking brains out for failing Pakistan.

Both of them need to be charged with treason for not speaking up against the drama created by the NIGGER Barak Obama and the rascist Pinnochio nose Pinetta---. They let the U S lambast Pakistan for Pres Obama's personal pleasure----.

I can openly say now----never trust an American nigger---never ever---. George Bush's nigger Condy Rice and the other nigger Gen Collin Powell.

Sitting here in the U S---and just listening to the news---I could tell that it was a drama created by Barak Obama. It was visible as day light that the U S president was lying---he was being deceptive---.

I have always stated that it was technically not possible to proceed with that mission as the U S maintained that they did----.

If the posters would remember I wrote a few days ago-----

Saab ( sir )

two goats are passing by

3 sheep herders are passing by in the valley

about 10 goats are passing by on the slopes

2 men with ak's passing by in the valley

10 armed Taliban passing by in the valley

2 helicopters flying by-------bla bla bla

Those in pak military know what I am talking about---. all mountain tops have observation posts where pak military jawans are posted as observers . Their job is just to report any movement of man, animal or machine that is happening in the air, in the valleys, on the ground or the mountain slope---.

The 3 weeks that I was in Pakistan last month----not one person gave a fcuk about the U S anymore. As a matter of fact----nobody talked about the U S anymore----. I was really really surprised at the lack of interest because my two previous trips were total different. Then everyone wanted to ask about the U S etc etc etc----.

I was conscious of the change----but it did not register on me till @CENTCOM asked the Pakistanis what did they think of the U S anymore---. Welll---the answer again is---they don't give a fcuk anymore---.

First, there is no evidence that any of this is true. All we have right now is Hersh's anonymous source (who miraculously, seems to have all the answers). Second, according to the article, Pakistan was in possession of and saving Bin Ladin for a rainy day. That rainy day came when an unknown ISI officer walked into the CIA and told them where you were hiding Bin Ladin. You could've killed him or turned him in back in 2006. Assuming all this is true, you could've asked for it to be a joint operation. However, your generals were worried about the backlash and choose to ask that it looked like a U.S. operation. Why? Could it be because there was a lot of support for religious extremism in Pakistan?

Here's something to think about. If the truth had come out that you were hiding Bin Ladin, do you know what the people here would have wanted the U.S. President to do to Pakistan? You live here, I'm sure you understand the sentiments. So before you went off on this racist rant, maybe you should've thought what would have happened to your country if it was announced that you'd been holding on to Bin Ladin while we were paying you to help find him. All in all, even if every bit of Hersh's story was true and everything the president said was false, you still walked away in the best possible shape you could have. So thank you lucky stars and move on along.
 
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Ex-intelligence man told US about Osama’s hideout: author

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WASHINGTON: The United States got to Osama bin Laden with Pakistan’s help, but disclosed the operation in a manner that made the country look like a villain, according to Seymour M. Hersh, an American investigative journalist and author.

“They helped. They totally helped. They helped a great deal,” said Mr Hersh when Dawn asked him if he believed Pakistan helped the US reach the Al Qaeda leader.

In a story published in the London Review of Books on Sunday, Mr Hersh described the official US version of the so-called “Operation Neptune Spear” as a work of fiction, a fairy-tale.

Know more: Pakistani officials reject claims of ISI handling bin Laden

He noted that the White House still maintains the mission was an all-American affair, and that senior generals of the Pakistan Army and the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) were not told about the raid in advance.

“This is false, as are many other elements of the Obama administration’s account. The White House’s story might have been written by Lewis Carroll (the author of “Alice in the Wonderland).”

He argues that if Bin Laden would seek a hideout he would not go for a resort town forty miles from Islamabad.

Would OBL consider it “the safest place to live and command Al Qaeda’s operations?” he asks. “The most blatant lie was that Pakistan’s two most senior military leaders – (retired) Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani (who was chief of the army staff at the time), and Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha, director general of the ISI – were never informed of the US mission,” writes Mr Hersh.

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In an interview to Dawn, Mr Hersh said the operation that ultimately led to OBL’s death began with a walk-in.

“In Aug 2010 a former senior Pakistani intelligence officer approached Jonathan Bank, then the CIA’s station chief at the US embassy in Islamabad. He offered to tell the CIA where to find (Osama) bin Laden in return for the reward that Washington had offered in 2001.”

The former intelligence official, Mr Hersh said, was a military man who was now living in Washington and working for the CIA as a consultant. “I cannot tell you more about him because it would not be appropriate.”

Mr Hersh rejected the suggestion that Osama bin Laden was living in his own hideout and was free to move around. OBL was an ISI prisoner and never moved except under their supervision, he said.

Mr Hersh said the Saudi government also knew about it and had advised the Pakistanis to keep OBL as a prisoner.

He said when the Americans contacted the Pakistani government and asked for OBL, the ISI insisted that he be killed and his death should be announced a week after the operation.

The Americans were required to say that the Al Qaeda chief was found in a mountainous region in the Hindu Kush so that neither Pakistan nor Afghanistan could be blamed for keeping him, Mr Hersh said.

The author said the ISI wanted him dead because “they did not want a witness”.

According to him, the Americans set up an observation post in Abbottabad and later informed the ISI. Before the operation, the ISI set up a cell in Ghazi, Tarbela, where “one man from the SEALs and two communicators” practised the raid.

Mr Hersh said that President Barack Obama did not consult the then army or ISI chief, Generals Kayani and Pasha, before releasing the cover story that he shared with his nation in a live broadcast.

“The cover story trashed Pakistan. It was very embarrassing for them,” said Mr Hersh. “Pakistan has a good army, not a bad army, but the cover story made it look bad.”

Mr Hersh also said that Shakil Afridi, the physician now jailed in Peshawar for his links to the CIA, was a CIA asset but he did not know about the operation. He was used as a cover to hide the real story.

The Americans, and the Pakistanis, wanted to protect Amir Aziz, a doctor and a major in the Pakistani army. The ISI had moved Dr Aziz close to the compound where they had kept OBL because he was on his deathbed when found.

Obama steps in

Mr Hersh also said that former US Defence Secretary Robert Gates disagreed with the cover-up story and wanted the US to respect the arrangement they had made with Pakistan.

“President Obama changed the game because he was running for re-election,” he said. “The two-hour delay in the speech was caused by an internal debate.”

Asked did his investigation show Pakistan as a villain or an ally, he said: “Total ally.” Initially, he said, “here was anger (in Washington) that they had OBL for years, but did not tell us. But we understand people have their interests and act to protect them.”

He added: “The Pakistanis were treated quite badly by the Americans.”

He said the cover- up story soured US relations with the Pakistani military as it made it look bad. “We have a very strong background relationship with them. It continues and is now in a good shape.”

In the story he wrote for London Review of Books (LRB), Mr Hersh says that when the former Pakistani intelligence official walked into the US Embassy, Islamabad, with information about Bin Laden, the CIA did not believe him.

So the agency’s headquarters sent a polygraph team and the CIA began to believe the Pakistani official only after he passed the test.

Although Mr Hersh spoke to a number of people for the story, including a former ISI chief, his major source was a retired senior US intelligence official who told him that the Americans initially did not share with the Pakistanis what they learned from this retired Pakistani official.

Here is how Mr Hersh tells the story in the piece he wrote for LRB: ‘The fear was that if the existence of the source was made known, the Pakistanis themselves would move Bin Laden to another location. So only a very small number of people were read into the source and his story,’ the retired official said. ‘The CIA’s first goal was to check out the quality of the informant’s information.’

The compound was put under satellite surveillance.

The CIA rented a house in Abbottabad to use as a forward observation base and staffed it with Pakistani employees and foreign nationals. Later on, the base would serve as a contact point with the ISI; it attracted little attention because Abbottabad is a holiday spot full of houses rented on short leases. A psychological profile of the informant was prepared. (The informant and his family were smuggled out of Pakistan and relocated in the Washington area. He is now a consultant for the CIA.)

‘By October the military and intelligence community were discussing the possible military options. Do we drop a bunker buster on the compound or take him out with a drone strike? Perhaps send someone to kill him, single assassin style? But then we’d have no proof of who he was,’ the retired official said. ‘We could see some guy is walking around at night, but we have no intercepts because there’s no commo coming from the compound.’

In October, President Obama was briefed on the intelligence. His response was cautious, the retired official said. ‘It just made no sense that bin Laden was living in Abbottabad. It was just too crazy. The president’s position was emphatic: “Don’t talk to me about this anymore unless you have proof that it really is bin Laden.”’

Obama support

The immediate goal of the CIA leadership and the Joint Special Operations Command was to get Mr Obama’s support. They believed they would get this if they got DNA evidence, and if they could assure him that a night assault of the compound would carry no risk. The only way to accomplish both things, the retired official said, ‘was to get the Pakistanis on board’.

During the late autumn of 2010, the US continued to keep quiet about the walk-in, and Generals Kayani and Pasha continued to insist to their American counterparts that they had no information about bin Laden’s whereabouts. The next step was to figure out how to ease Kayani and Pasha into it – to tell them that we’ve got intelligence showing that there is a high-value target in the compound, and to ask them what they know about the target,’ the retired official said.

‘The compound was not an armed enclave – no machine guns around, because it was under ISI control.’

The former Pakistani intelligence official, described in the story as “the walk-in,” had told the US that bin Laden had lived undetected from 2001 to 2006 with some of his wives and children in the Hindu Kush mountains, and that ‘the ISI got to him by paying some of the local tribal people to betray him.’

The Pakistani official also told the CIA station chief that bin Laden was very ill, and that early on in his confinement at Abbottabad, the ISI had ordered Amir Aziz, a doctor and a major in the Pakistani army, to move nearby to provide treatment.

‘The truth is that bin Laden was an invalid, but we cannot say that,’ the retired official said. “You mean you guys shot a cripple? Who was about to grab his AK-47?”’

‘It didn’t take long to get the co-operation we needed, because the Pakistanis wanted to ensure the continued release of American military aid, a good percentage of which was anti-terrorism funding that finances personal security, such as bullet-proof limousines and security guards and housing for the ISI leadership,’ the retired official said.

He added that there were also under-the-table personal ‘incentives’ that were financed by off-the-books Pentagon contingency funds.

‘The intelligence community knew what the Pakistanis needed to agree – there was the carrot. And they chose the carrot. It was a win-win. We also did a little blackmail. We told them we would leak the fact that you’ve got bin Laden in your backyard. We knew their friends and enemies’ – the Taliban and jihadist groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan – ‘would not like it.’

A worrying factor at this early point, according to the retired official, was Saudi Arabia, which had been financing bin Laden’s upkeep since his seizure by the Pakistanis.

“The Saudis didn’t want bin Laden’s presence revealed to us because he was a Saudi, and so they told the Pakistanis to keep him out of the picture. The Saudis feared if we knew we would pressure the Pakistanis to let bin Laden start talking to us about what the Saudis had been doing with Al Qaeda. And they were dropping money – lots of it.

“The Pakistanis, in turn, were concerned that the Saudis might spill the beans about their control of bin Laden. The fear was that if the US found out about bin Laden from Riyadh, all hell would break out. The Americans learning about bin Laden’s imprisonment from a walk-in was not the worst thing.”

Despite their constant public feuding, American and Pakistani military and intelligence services have worked together closely for decades on counterterrorism in South Asia. Both services often find it useful to engage in public feuds ‘to cover their asses’, as the retired official put it, but they continually share intelligence used for drone attacks, and cooperate on covert operations.

“It’s understood in Washington that US security depends on the maintenance of strong military and intelligence ties to Pakistan. The belief is mirrored in Pakistan,” says Mr Hersh.

The writer notes that the bin Laden compound was less than two miles from the Pakistan Military Academy, and a Pakistani army combat battalion headquarters was another mile or so away.

He notes that President Obama’s worries about the information delivered to the CIA station chief were realistic, the retired official said. ‘Was bin Laden ever there? Was the whole story a product of Pakistani deception? What about political blowback in case of failure?’ After all, as the retired official said, ‘If the mission fails, Obama’s just a black Jimmy Carter and it’s all over for re-election.’

Mr Obama was anxious for reassurance that the US was going to get the right man. The proof was to come in the form of bin Laden’s DNA. The planners turned for help to Generals Kayani and Pasha, who asked Dr Aziz to obtain the specimens. Soon after the raid the press found out that Dr Aziz had been living in a house near the bin Laden compound: local reporters discovered his name in Urdu on a plate on the door. Pakistani officials denied that Dr Aziz had any connection to bin Laden, but the retired official told Mr Hersh that Dr Aziz had been rewarded with a share of the $25 million reward the US had put up because the DNA sample had showed conclusively that it was bin Laden in Abbottabad.

Published in Dawn, May 11th, 2015
 
You'd pretty much have to leave Pakistan after that. You've just dropped the dime on their hero, there's no hanging around in Pakistan after that. I bet that doctor who helped us wishes he'd been able to attend a "medical conference" in Washington DC before they got to him.
And whats more interesting that the ISI chief himself later found an employment with UAE. :lol:
 
First, there is no evidence that any of this is true. All we have right now is Hersh's anonymous source (who miraculously, seems to have all the answers). Second, according to the article, Pakistan was in possession of and saving Bin Ladin for a rainy day. That rainy day came when an unknown ISI officer walked into the CIA and told them where you were hiding Bin Ladin. You could've killed him or turned him in back in 2006. Assuming all this is true, you could've asked for it to be a joint operation. However, your generals were worried about the backlash and choose to ask that it looked like a U.S. operation. Why? Could it be because there was a lot of support for religious extremism in Pakistan?

Here's something to think about. If the truth had come out that you were hiding Bin Ladin, do you know what the people here would have wanted the U.S. President to do to Pakistan? You live here, I'm sure you understand the sentiments. So before you went off on this racist rant, maybe you should've thought what would have happened to your country if it was announced that you'd been holding on to Bin Ladin while we were paying you to help find him. All in all, even if every bit of Hersh's story was true and everything the president said was false, you still walked away in the best possible shape you could have. So thank you lucky stars and move on along.


Sir,

Who gives a fcuk if Pakisan was holding OBL---U S had 4 + chances to take him out---. He was on the drone camera for an hour and a half---that coward of a General---Tommy Franks---he did not have the ballz to pull the trigger ( give the order )he was climbing up the valley at Tora Bora---you wanted him he was there---if you did not want to kill him that was your problem----.

You had him in sudan--yet you let him escape---he was the murderer of hundreds of americans at the two embassies in Africa---. You let him escape in Afghanistan when you just launhed the missiles. Why blame us for your stupidities---. Obama just wanted to cash up on it---he smashed my motherland to smithereens for no reason---and just 30 days ago---it was looking upto Pakistan to help in yemen----.

Isis indeed has done a number on this world----. The fcuk ups in Libya, Syria, Iraq---this moron of a president has no clue about the job----all these blacks are good at is making speeches---audacity of hope my arse---.

George Bush is on record as stating---we don't care about OBL anymore---he counts for nothing anymore---.


It is a misconception that you were paying to find him. You wre paying Pakistan for the roads and infra structure that was being destroyed by transportation of heavy military vehicles---you were paying for the usage of Pakistan military to send troops in an extremely hostile region---so hostile that U S did not have any of their own troops posted on their side of the border.

I am not going on a rascist rant----in my 34 years in the u s---I have not come across a black person who thinks straight like a white person---. Every single time---it is someone else's fault----it is some one else that needs to be blamed----.
 
Why is Benazir Bhutto saying on 'Frost Over the World' - Al-Jazeera on NOV, 2, 2007, OBL was killed by a Britsh Jihadi Omar Sheikh?

Youtube: confession at 6 minutes, 12 seconds


Bin Ladin while we were paying you to help find him. All in all, even if every bit of Hersh's story was true and everything the president said was false, you still walked away in the best possible shape you could have. So thank you lucky stars and move on along.

Before any invasion takes place, your country carries out ''questionnaires'' if the people hate or like USA. This was done in Iraq before invasion. In Pakistan, we had two questionnaires carried out; 10 years apart and dislike for USA has gone up. This tells them they will encounter heavy resistance.

The USA is not afraid of the PAK Army; it is afraid of the 200 milion population. Even if 10% were to fight, that's 20 million. We would cut your Army to shreds. Don't make the mistake of comparing us to Iraqis! So keep your threats to yourself. Lets work together and make this World a better place as EQUALS!
 
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Timing of this report is quite worrying.
Most of serious analysts have more or less same views about OBL killing. It was simply difficult to digest the official story.
Now truth will be more believable by us (poor Pakistanis) as it is being coming out of "Horse Mouth"

Gone is gone. OBL is dead. AQ is now replaced with more worrying threat of ISIS. Afghanistan is now again on back seats for US policy makers. They are now more interested in working on Iran.

I am viewing this report in view of Yemen crisis, Pakistan's cold relation with KSA/UAE in back drop of Yemen, Pakistan-China trade corridor, Zarb-e-Azam and its effects in the form of relative calm in Pakistan, reports of RAW preparing to step in to save TTP/Baluch insurgency as well as its investment in Karachi.

Amir Aziz is currently working in Ghurki Hospital near Wagah border as "Orthopedic Consultant". This report will clearly put him in fire line of Taliban, AQ and Haqqanis.
Pakistan is going to face a renewed wave of terrorism, as this report will anger and unite all terrorists. Afghan Taliban and AQ, who may previously gave Pakistan benefit of doubt over OBL killing, now will be actively targeting us.

We have just been painted as a target, thanks to this report. Our efforts and success of last 1 year in our WoT can go waste. I am worried really.
 
Can this article be part of upcoming US election campaign? Suits Republicans I guess.
 
[QUOTE="MastanKhan, post: 7135646, member: 309"

I was conscious of the change----but it did not register on me till @CENTCOM asked the Pakistanis what did they think of the U S anymore---. Welll---the answer again is---they don't give a fcuk anymore---.[/QUOTE]
we DO value our relation but the salalla post attack and the OBL darama has pretty much put it on the back burner.
we value the US military relationship with us and we really appropriate their help soon after the 16 Dec-14 school massacre and their support during the floods and earth quick will never be forgotten


the issue is what mindset is ruling the white house and what is the mindset of the advisers are there. despite there we have no issue with the Americans in general.
 
Its the source that bothers me. Why publish it in that particular source? Why not a respectable paper?

Doesn't really matter. The author matters more. Plenty of researchers out there who don't publish in known or respectable papers. Doesn't make their work less credible.

I mean this guy could write a book and have it published. But it wont sell because it contradicts what the Muricans have been fed.

I've always maintained that OBL raid had much more to it than could be revealed. US had to hide it's embarrassment and get out of Afghanistan, so made a deal with Pakistan Army and ISI....Pakistan takes the blame, but in return gets a lot more that actually matters ( i mean, who gave a cahoot about OBL? He was old and ill anyway....if he was to die why not milk the opportunity)...like its role in Afghanistan, Military equipment and the continuation of the Aid.. I mean seriously, what the f*ck, you kill your most wanted man in Pakistan, and yet you want to enhance your military and civilian relationship. Now USA comes in with 'Energy Collaboration, infrastructure development bla bla'.

It worked for them, and hopefully for Pakistan.
 
If somebody handed me the majority of the $25Million reward why the f*ck would I bother moving to Washington DC and become a consultant? This seems illogical. I would do a thank-you-very-much-for-the-money-now-buh-bye.


Because living in Pak would have become dangerous from then on.

I find a lot of thing unbelievable in the article though. @Bang Galore ?
 
Who do you believe I mean now more and more unbelievable news seems to be coming out all of which adds to the stack of hay thus finding the needle is being made harder.
 
I am not going on a rascist rant----in my 34 years in the u s---I have not come across a black person who thinks straight like a white person---. Every single time---it is someone else's fault----it is some one else that needs to be blamed----.

1. Even after ignoring your blatantly racist rant, it remains clear that the words "Every single time---it is someone else's fault----it is some one else that needs to be blamed---" is more applicable to the Pakistani mindset than anybody else.

2. In fact, it is Pakistani national disease to blame everybody and their uncle around the world just to avoid taking responsibility for their own affairs.
 

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