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The luxury of loving Pakistan

Hugely amusing to see that this turned into a chat session about block-structured languages! But I have ISSUES!

you are right, security of pakistan has gone down, pakistan is a good place to have a nice trip but its a pause of such activities for now.. come back later :D

i ve heard 'the hindu' is a good news paper

The man was writing a column in The Hindu, works for a TV channel (wonder what he's doing in the Gulf).

The Hindu is arguably the best in India, once The Statesman and then the Times of India were raped by their respective proprietors. It has a leftist core somewhere deep, deep inside, which bothers me. Fortunately, the basic journalistic qualities of the professionals there takes care of most things.

You can count on it to be deadly accurate. It verifies, and verifies, and verifies; if it's in The Hindu, it's accurate. Very often, others' headlines are small columns; other headlines are not even listed.

Its journalists don't take PR gifts, not yet, anyway. They are snooty about belonging to The Hindu and about these ethical systems, to the rage of other rag, tag, and bobtail people belonging to rag, tag and bobtail publications.

I'm glad my daughter worked with them for a couple of years. But then, being half-Iyengar, it was kind of a rite of passage for her.

Indian authors are really good. Desi touch makes things a lot easier.

Did someone ever tried C++ in urdu. It was just horrible read.

Please tell me I didn't read that. It curled my toes in fear.

Try Balaguruswamy and if C++ is concerned - Robert Lafore all the way....:)

I thought Balaguruswamy was BASIC; did he write a C text?

Not much idea about C++ but if you are c programmer. Then yashwant kanitkar is best book for starters. And then when you move over to tricky questions "pointers in c" is best to deal with the hoopla of pointers.

C++ is hard in general man! :D
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kanitkar used to run his own C coaching classes in nagpur.i think still does.he was so famous that people used to come to nagpur to attend his classes from all over india

though i hated C++ because i was java programmer but yeah robert lafore was the one i read with. It keeps thing simple. That was a good book.

yeah went through pointers in c pretty early. Classic it was made life much much easier.

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I liked deitel and deitel suited me very well.

C programming - Deitel&Deitel and(Better) C Primer Plus- Stephen Prata . Kanetkar's book is for ancient "turbo c" :D no(c99) standards..

Lafore, Deitel and Deitel, Kanetkar? Prata i can understand, I like him. Whatever happened to reading the standards? K&R for instance; does no one read K&R any more? It's fantastic good reading, apart from being authoritative (canonical? but its not ANSI standard, so I guess not). And have you good people never read the one and only Stroustrup? If only for the pleasure of the read itself? He writes so well!

Be aware that I write this as a caveman, a 4GL person, who came in by way of COBOL and then (very tentative, but increasing enthusiasm and finally a smug satisfaction) in Pascal. There were a handful of AI programmes with LISP; overall, a very conventional technical career, with a great deal of discomfort for the monkey tricks OOPs get up to, and I hate the complete anarchy of PC-type programming and the Al Qaeda environment of PC security. After RACF, it's a pain to contemplate how you can f*** around with low level stuff in PCs. But there you are; this is the world of Web 2.0, no more <2.0 second response on a green-screen monitor.

For some part of my professional life, we were working with Ada, which is the only reliable thing when you deal with stuff that goes bang. It was unthinkable (in Anglo-Saxon circles) to contemplate even C for those applications. But not in French or German circles; they cheerfully got into C pretty early, and <gulp!> don't look now, but someone tells me that C++ has crept in as well! Scary, that; what next? Programming aerospace apps in Java?

It's your world, guys; I wish you all the best.
 
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Hugely amusing to see that this turned into a chat session about block-structured languages! But I have ISSUES!



The man was writing a column in The Hindu, works for a TV channel (wonder what he's doing in the Gulf).

The Hindu is arguably the best in India, once The Statesman and then the Times of India were raped by their respective proprietors. It has a leftist core somewhere deep, deep inside, which bothers me. Fortunately, the basic journalistic qualities of the professionals there takes care of most things.

You can count on it to be deadly accurate. It verifies, and verifies, and verifies; if it's in The Hindu, it's accurate. Very often, others' headlines are small columns; other headlines are not even listed.

Its journalists don't take PR gifts, not yet, anyway. They are snooty about belonging to The Hindu and about these ethical systems, to the rage of other rag, tag, and bobtail people belonging to rag, tag and bobtail publications.

I'm glad my daughter worked with them for a couple of years. But then, being half-Iyengar, it was kind of a rite of passage for her.



Please tell me I didn't read that. It curled my toes in fear.



I thought Balaguruswamy was BASIC; did he write a C text?













Lafore, Deitel and Deitel, Kanetkar? Prata i can understand, I like him. Whatever happened to reading the standards? K&R for instance; does no one read K&R any more? It's fantastic good reading, apart from being authoritative (canonical? but its not ANSI standard, so I guess not). And have you good people never read the one and only Stroustrup? If only for the pleasure of the read itself? He writes so well!

Be aware that I write this as a caveman, a 4GL person, who came in by way of COBOL and then (very tentative, but increasing enthusiasm and finally a smug satisfaction) in Pascal. There were a handful of AI programmes with LISP; overall, a very conventional technical career, with a great deal of discomfort for the monkey tricks OOPs get up to, and I hate the complete anarchy of PC-type programming and the Al Qaeda environment of PC security. After RACF, it's a pain to contemplate how you can f*** around with low level stuff in PCs. But there you are; this is the world of Web 2.0, no more <2.0 second response on a green-screen monitor.

For some part of my professional life, we were working with Ada, which is the only reliable thing when you deal with stuff that goes bang. It was unthinkable (in Anglo-Saxon circles) to contemplate even C for those applications. But not in French or German circles; they cheerfully got into C pretty early, and <gulp!> don't look now, but someone tells me that C++ has crept in as well! Scary, that; what next? Programming aerospace apps in Java?

It's your world, guys; I wish you all the best.

LISP
Ada
Are you trying to scare the kids :cry: we were just talking about the basics at college.:cry:

Aerospace apps are already in Java. A majority chunk of mars rower was in Java
 
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Lafore, Deitel and Deitel, Kanetkar? Prata i can understand, I like him. Whatever happened to reading the standards? K&R for instance; does no one read K&R any more? It's fantastic good reading, apart from being authoritative (canonical? but its not ANSI standard, so I guess not).

For some part of my professional life, we were working with Ada, which is the only reliable thing when you deal with stuff that goes bang. It was unthinkable (in Anglo-Saxon circles) to contemplate even C for those applications. But not in French or German circles; they cheerfully got into C pretty early, and <gulp!> don't look now, but someone tells me that C++ has crept in as well! Scary, that; what next? Programming aerospace apps in Java?

K&R is for real engineers not for IT coolies, they only need to know java and .NET mostly and some crappy languages for maintainance projects, books on kanetkar are just for passing University exams because I doubt even all lecturers in Indian universities have that level.

After studying 2 courses on AI and using Lisp I still don't understand how can anyone like that language. Hats off to people who can really program in LISP, it drives me crazy. Never seen Ada being used in Indian IT industries for Avionics or any Embedded related work, I guess C still rules for that. Java is just good enough for desktop, web and mobile applications.
 
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LISP
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Are you trying to scare the kids :cry: we were just talking about the basics at college.:cry:

<sigh>

How I wish I could shed forty years and be your age again. LISP was such fun, although so impractical; it only cleared your brain. Ada was different. There's huge amounts of stuff built INTO the language; unlike C or C++, you don't use libraries so much. It takes tremendous discipline, and the apps are murderous; you test, test, test till your fingers and your eyes ache - and then test again.

Aerospace programming is beyond mission-critical; we used to laugh ourselves into hiccups at these poofs from the Big 5 who solemnly intoned stuff about their cocked-up banking applications, which they described in very grave tones as 'mission critical'! It was hilarious to see their deflated expressions when we explained what life-critical meant, and why the standards they talked about in hushed tones were actually systems engineering standards, not software engineering standards.

Aerospace apps are already in Java. A majority chunk of mars rower was in Java

Woe is me.

Arise! Awake!! The end of the world is nigh. NASA, is nothing sacred? And your buddies were the guys who did Stoneman, Ironman and all that stuff! SHAME on you.
 
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Nice read ..

If only members here can also try to post good things about other nations from time to time ... PDF could be a much nicer place ....
 
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K&R is for real engineers not for IT coolies, they only need to know java and .NET mostly and some crappy languages for maintainance projects, books on kanetkar are just for passing University exams because I doubt even all lecturers in Indian universities have that level.

After studying 2 courses on AI and using Lisp I still don't understand how can anyone like that language. Hats off to people who can really program in LISP, it drives me crazy. Never seen Ada being used in Indian IT industries for Avionics or any Embedded related work, I guess C still rules for that. Java is just good enough for desktop, web and mobile applications.


This is ONLY about Ada.

Most of the LCA code was written in Ada. The mission computer programming for PSLV was written in Ada. Except Smith Industries, and the continentals, Thales and the like, everybody, especially the Anglo-Americans, use Ada. Aerospace exposure in general industry is pathetic; this is concentrated, as far as general industry is concerned, in one or two very specialised shops which are subsidiaries of the big boys: I can think of exactly two!

Just for information.
 
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^^^^LOL guys and gals find another thread to rant about c++ and stuff .@topic a good read, can ny of the members post some more articles in the same spirit.
 
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I want to know about the writer,i know that he is from india but more details about him will be appreciated
 
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<sigh>

How I wish I could shed forty years and be your age again. LISP was such fun, although so impractical; it only cleared your brain. Ada was different. There's huge amounts of stuff built INTO the language; unlike C or C++, you don't use libraries so much. It takes tremendous discipline, and the apps are murderous; you test, test, test till your fingers and your eyes ache - and then test again.

:D so nice to read about someone who specifies testing. Any body here writes a test before writing the actual code? :D tdd makes you perfect!!!!!!!
 
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Hugely amusing to see that this turned into a chat session about block-structured languages! But I have ISSUES!



The man was writing a column in The Hindu, works for a TV channel (wonder what he's doing in the Gulf).

The Hindu is arguably the best in India, once The Statesman and then the Times of India were raped by their respective proprietors. It has a leftist core somewhere deep, deep inside, which bothers me. Fortunately, the basic journalistic qualities of the professionals there takes care of most things.

You can count on it to be deadly accurate. It verifies, and verifies, and verifies; if it's in The Hindu, it's accurate. Very often, others' headlines are small columns; other headlines are not even listed.

Its journalists don't take PR gifts, not yet, anyway. They are snooty about belonging to The Hindu and about these ethical systems, to the rage of other rag, tag, and bobtail people belonging to rag, tag and bobtail publications.

I'm glad my daughter worked with them for a couple of years. But then, being half-Iyengar, it was kind of a rite of passage for her.



Please tell me I didn't read that. It curled my toes in fear.



I thought Balaguruswamy was BASIC; did he write a C text?













Lafore, Deitel and Deitel, Kanetkar? Prata i can understand, I like him. Whatever happened to reading the standards? K&R for instance; does no one read K&R any more? It's fantastic good reading, apart from being authoritative (canonical? but its not ANSI standard, so I guess not). And have you good people never read the one and only Stroustrup? If only for the pleasure of the read itself? He writes so well!

Be aware that I write this as a caveman, a 4GL person, who came in by way of COBOL and then (very tentative, but increasing enthusiasm and finally a smug satisfaction) in Pascal. There were a handful of AI programmes with LISP; overall, a very conventional technical career, with a great deal of discomfort for the monkey tricks OOPs get up to, and I hate the complete anarchy of PC-type programming and the Al Qaeda environment of PC security. After RACF, it's a pain to contemplate how you can f*** around with low level stuff in PCs. But there you are; this is the world of Web 2.0, no more <2.0 second response on a green-screen monitor.

For some part of my professional life, we were working with Ada, which is the only reliable thing when you deal with stuff that goes bang. It was unthinkable (in Anglo-Saxon circles) to contemplate even C for those applications. But not in French or German circles; they cheerfully got into C pretty early, and <gulp!> don't look now, but someone tells me that C++ has crept in as well! Scary, that; what next? Programming aerospace apps in Java?

It's your world, guys; I wish you all the best.


Did ADA too pretty strong stuff.
 
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<sigh>

How I wish I could shed forty years and be your age again. LISP was such fun, although so impractical; .

I am a C++ Guy(atleast now)
For those guys, who have tried C++ template meta programming would love LISP. Meta programming is just built in into that language. If someone says "Elegancy of the language lies in expressing the ideas in the least possible lines of code", LISP might be one of the top contenders.
But Since mathematics has already evolved so much, LISP should have respected the conventions of it, but may be "it won't be LISP" then.

Thanks.
 
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