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The Losing deterrence of TNW. Time for Conventional solution of CSD?

What makes you think India will only seek to destroy Nuclear Nasr launchers during war. Any Nasr launcher will be treated as a threat and will be attacked on priority before the tank column moves. Pakistan cannot procure thousands of launchers.
Tch tch, that's not how the real world works. As I said, at present IA/IAF does not have the capability to effectively detect a Nasr vehicle apart from other similar vehicles, let alone target it. It's visual signature is nearly the same as that of a cargo truck (when appropriately camouflaged).

The best way to neutralize Nasr is even before it is launched. That is by using a longer range ballistic/cruise missile or by air support. Indian TBMs like Prahar have a range of 100 KM. Couple this with India's stand off weapons and air support, I doubt Nasr by itself will be able to do much. If only, it can cause a strategic pre-emptive strike by India, thereby triggering a nuclear dooms day for Pakistan and to a lesser extent for India.
Again, neutralization comes after detection. Besides, the scoot-shoot-scoot capability of Nasr makes it very survivable.

The areas held will be supported by IAF in the sky as well, before Nasr closes in from 60 KM, its launcher can be targetted by Indian TBMs or by air support.
Ding ding, again, detection is the key. It's not gonna be like a Bollywood movie, where a single launcher comes out in the desert on its own and saves the day.
Also the 60km standoff range provides enough depth for launch from inside friendly territory.
 
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Tch tch, that's not how the real world works. As I said, at present IA/IAF does not have the capability to effectively detect a Nasr vehicle apart from other similar vehicles, let alone target it. It's visual signature is nearly the same as that of a cargo truck (when appropriately camouflaged).


Again, neutralization comes after detection. Besides, the scoot-shoot-scoot capability of Nasr makes it very survivable.


Ding ding, again, detection is the key. It's not gonna be like a Bollywood movie, where a single launcher comes out in the desert on its own and saves the day.
Also the 60km standoff range provides enough depth for launch from inside friendly territory.

Wow, you have a lot of patience. I don't even reply to the riff raff. I think their stupid posts should be unceremoniously deleted and the culprit booted off the forum.
 
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Tch tch, that's not how the real world works. As I said, at present IA/IAF does not have the capability to effectively detect a Nasr vehicle apart from other similar vehicles, let alone target it. It's visual signature is nearly the same as that of a cargo truck (when appropriately camouflaged).


Again, neutralization comes after detection. Besides, the scoot-shoot-scoot capability of Nasr makes it very survivable.


Ding ding, again, detection is the key. It's not gonna be like a Bollywood movie, where a single launcher comes out in the desert on its own and saves the day.
Also the 60km standoff range provides enough depth for launch from inside friendly territory.

just a question. since NASR is quite central to our plans, what is the probability of it working in an area protected by SAMs just to make sure it is safe from aerial bombardment or we are confident that it can camouflage itself well and there wont be any need for such protection ?
 
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just a question. since NASR is quite central to our plans, what is the probability of it working in an area protected by SAMs just to make sure it is safe from aerial bombardment or we are confident that it can camouflage itself well and there wont be any need for such protection ?
The shoot-and-scoot capability covers up for almost everything, an appropriately disguised TEL will provide little to no warning to the enemy, till it is too late. For now, there isn't any need of SAM protection.
 
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I don't think it's deterrent value is eroded just because it has been discussed to the bones. If produced in numbers it is going to be a constant pressure on the minds of any ground attack planners. You just cannot ignore such a threat just a few 100 KMs away when you plan to gather your finest infantry and armour enmasse

It literally takes away the 'massive ground offensive' option from the table unless you are 100% sure you have neutralized all the launchers through intelligence and Special forces Ops. Your enemy can stay dug in way behind their forward lines and wait for you to gather
 
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Two NASR TEL during parade on National Day of Pakistan

After the completion of nuclear program utilizing strategy of sheltered pursuit, Pakistan successfully demonstrated its nuclear delivering capability by testing & deploying Short Range Ballistic Missiles (SRBM) and raising dedicated Squadrons for strategic strike back in late 90s. It enabled Pakistan to strike counter force assets of Indian armed forces with nuclear payload. This served as deadly blow to Indian strategy which was focused on accumulation of huge chunk of armored force close to border for giving decisive challenge to Pakistan by out numbering & out gunning its defensive measure. Deployment of Strategic WMDs by Pakistan nullified this tactic as such large force concentration is appealing target for any strategic weapon. To re shift the balance in their favor, the Indian strategists came up with a new solution which was named as Cold Start Doctrine (CSD). Though officially this doctrine existence is not acknowledged but there are enough indications which points out that this strategy is not a random myth but a well-organized & well executed pro-active war strategy. Cold Start Doctrine is based upon concept of small and rapid strikes on soft targets with in Pakistan territory without overcoming the Nuclear Threshold limit. This strategy enjoys benefit due to natural lack of strategic depth on Pakistan side, particularly, on Southern Punjab & Northern Sindh sectors. With Mountain regions of Suleiman on Western side, desert on Eastern side, this region serves as soft belly of Pakistan that can literally split Pakistan into two half if it fell in hands hostile invading force. This region joins Pakistan via water channel of Indus River, road & railway network thus playing a key strategic role in terms of land & sea based connectivity.

Its worthy to point out that Cold Start is strictly based upon mechanized invasion force. For rapid movements it’s crucial that invading forces must not face any credible resistance from defending forces plus the terrain should decisively support the mission & objective. Kashmir being a mountainous region serves as natural protection layer in between both states making movement of large forces under the dynamics of CSD impossible. Boggy Plains of North & Central Punjab might appear an appealing location but it is heavily defended by Pakistan army corps which thanks to robust network of railway & roads can rapidly move & deploy in very short interval of time. This capability was successfully demonstrated during 2002 Military Stand-off when Pakistan gave soft tactical defeat to Indian armed forces even before ignition of any conflict. Presence of river-canal systems, urban areas make Punjab good in ambush defensive tactics particularly against tanks in the form of ATGM fortifications. These factors make application of CSD in Punjab region way risky in terms of losses related to time, life & equipment. South & Lower Sindh is covered with vast Marshy lands through which movement of heavy armor is not a possibility. This leaves only Desert terrains shared by Pakistan & India in the form of Great Thar desert (Punjab/Sindh & Rajasthan). In deserts, terrain is neither well defined nor permanent, sand movement keeps on shifting space so mass fortification is not possible. Vastness of desert offers flexibility in battle field tactics including flanking movements hence making it attractive target for any armored invasion. Though Pakistan have deployed its armored & mechanized armored groups close by but still it does not address the core issues by posing questions related to their rapid mobility & target acquisition in case of CSD inspired invasion.

India kept cold start doctrine in darkness, known to only close circles and started to prepare accordingly by pouring huge amount of funds. This included the purchase of relevant military hardware, establishment of robust C4ISR assets (Command for Intelligence Surveillance, Reconnaissance), improved training standards and adhering of CSD linked tactics in Corps deployed in Rajasthan. Currently India’s South Western Command (Corp I & X) and Southern Command (Corps XII & XXI) are affiliated directly or directly with CSD. Pakistan first tried to neutralize this threat by exploiting it at diplomatic level to address the threats to peace and ignition of arms race in long terms but Indian denial on existence of such doctrine & counter diplomacy rendered such attempts use less. This was the time Pakistan came up with unique solution to this unique problem.

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Map shows rough deployment & possible movement as per CSD of corps of India & Pakistan near their international border. Yellow Stars show possible estimated location of deployment of TNW as response to CSD.

Due to Economic constraints and limited sources to buy military armaments, Pakistan was very short of options. By closely observing the past NATO doctrine in European theater against Soviet ground invasion as well as domestic technological domain, Pakistan re introduced Tactical Nuclear Weapons (TNW) in battle grounds as a counter tool verses CSD. NASR was specifically developed as Indian Cold Start Killer. NASR is primarily a Quasi Ballistic Missile which is carried by Multi Tube TEL vehicle (Tactical Erector Launcher). It can carry four missiles each armed with sub kilo ton miniaturized nuclear warheads. Missile as per official claims have max range of 60km, utilizes Inertial Navigation System & Global Positioning System (INS/GPS), powered by Solid Fueled Propulsion with thrust vectoring (TV) nozzles. The Development & deployment (D&D) of NASR Battle Field Nuclear Missile system gave birth to Pakistan’s own Full Spectrum Deterrence Doctrine (FSD) which relied on concept that any major armored invasion on Pakistani soil can be countered by NASR as unlike any armored force which is prone to air strikes and face certain time limitations related to strategic mobility , NASR battery is much easier to keep in stealth, can be moved more rapidly, have shoot and scoot capability which increase its survivability as well as carry enough destructive power to halt any ground invasion dead on its tracks.

This move of TNW was met with hue and cry at international level. For India it was matter of serious concern as TNW put its billions of dollar expenditure at stake. India took it as ‘’Pakistan can now do whatever it want without worrying about any serious threat on Eastern border’’. Pakistan played its shot very well in geo strategic grounds, now ball was in Indian court and it did play the return shot.

Indian answer to Pakistan FSD can be split into two major types. One is related to soft power projection other is about hard counter measures. Times when Pakistan introduced TNW, Pakistan was facing severe challenge from foreign funded local insurgency. This era of terror domination put question mark on Pakistan future uniquely as Nuclear State. This weakness of Pakistan was exploited by India which raised questions on security of Pakistan nuclear program. Both at domestic & international level, Indian sponsored journalists made reports, conducted surveys & wrote articles about the possibility of falling TNW of Pakistan in hands of terrorists and its possible outcome to Global peace in case of usage by rogue elements. Using justification that Pakistan considers India as its arch rival, India showed itself at spot that it faces most brutal threat in case of security breach of any random TNW. This perception & propagation of this perception awarded India with multidimensional favors at all levels at Diplomatic, Strategic & Social scale. In long terms it helped them to pursue certain weapon systems. It also put crushing pressure on Pakistan establishment of abandon TNW program in favor of economic support. United States, unsatisfied with Pakistan role in Global War on terror also backed this pressure wave to generate more action from Pak army to serve American interests in Afghanistan. Lobbies were created in International forums which without even knowing the basics of core issue used to raise fingers at Pakistan TNW program. Foreign funded, home grown NGO network & private media houses of State also facilitated similar ideas. As a whole it put significant load on top elite of armed forces to reconsider their policies since it was compromising Pakistan interests at certain level and was creating unnecessary hurdles related to fields of economics, energy generation, foreign diplomacy and public relations. However Pakistan responded by enhancing the security measures & improving the Command & Control (C&C) system of Strategic assets.

The core concept behind development of NASR is to forecast deterrence on Indian army avoiding ignition of any war like activity no matter what are the conditions. This security dilemma pushed Indian policy & plan makers to basics to technologically overcome this new form of threat. Indian area of work on hard counter solutions can be split into three portions. First is related to advance reconnaissance via Ground based radars, SAT Recon, UAVs for pin pointing locations of deployment of NASR batteries with in Pakistan territory. These batteries once detected can be tracked and neutralized by standoff armaments thus securing the ‘’path’’ of invading armored columns. Most notable component is ground strike fleet of Indian air force which is upgraded to deliver guided payload with precision at long ranges. In near future, integration of Rafale in IAF is likely to give big boast to this domain as it introduce advance ECM/EW along-side state of art air to ground armaments. Second portion is linked with ‘’Interception’’ assuming that if Missile is launched then it could be tracked & shot down before reaching the target. Though Indian possess Tunguska SPAAG & mobile air defense systems in the form of SA8 Osa, SA6 Buk & Akash SAM system but none of them has practical capability to intercept NASR at its terminal phase.. To full fill that void Indian Army has ordered five regiments of MR-SAM (Barak 8), which consists of about 40 launchers and 200 missiles for 2.5 billion $. MR-SAM can intercept helis, UAVs, air crafts & cruise missiles at long altitude. What is the real purpose of this Indo-Israel deal with referance of CSD Theater is still a question. But there are visible attempts by Indian armed forces in this area along-side Israel which is globally known for developing systems which can intercept rockets & short range missiles. Final portion is about ‘’survivability’’. It hypothetically bonds with situation that NASR has been used on Indian ground battle group and it must be resistant enough to survive such attack. Though info related to NASR technical data like its warhead size, its type, trajectory path, launch angles, max speed, RCS, radiation signature etc are classified however it’s an educated guess that it relies on mixture of its blast force & intense radiation to compromise its enemy existence. Ever since the introduction of NASR, India is focused on maturing its NBC protection levels. Recently military drills were conducted in simulated NBC (Nuclear-Biological-Chemical) environment (Shatrujeet Drills) and it saw participation of military gear related to CBRN (Chemical-Biological-Radiological-Nuclear) protection. Though it’s not known how preservative such drills will be in actual situation but it does compromises the vital feature of NASR to serious extent, The Deterrence. By undergoing these ‘’hard measures’’ Indian army is gaining confidence that it has found the way which can serve as solution to problem of TNW. Rather than abandoning cold start, recent updating in war strategy signifies the importance of progressive counters from Pakistan side to keep its mark ahead.

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A: Indian army T90 & BMP2 invading columns.
B: Indian BMP2 engage target at night.
C: Pinaka MLRS barrage which is of same range as NASR
D: CBRN detection units during drills.
E: Indian troops in NBC suits spray their BMP2 with chemicals to wash off radioactive material.


Nonetheless, TNW represent Pakistan capabilities in the discipline of Weapon science & war strategy, it does pose some serious risks & out comes. Firstly, TNW compromises the ‘’gap’’ between Conventional war & Nuclear war. According to Indian Nuclear Doctrine, India will respond with Strategic WMDs in case if any WMD is used against them anywhere in World. As per theory, using NASR in first strike will give justification to India for full fledge nuclear retaliation. Recent reports suggests, India is very likely to strike Pakistan entire nuclear capability with nuclear weapons for ironing out any WMD related threat to its main land. If India fails to do so then Pakistan will respond in similar brutal fashion using its 2nd strike assets creating an apocalypse of MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) for South Asia. Greatest risk of TNWs usage can thus be formulated as the ignition plug for nuclear war.

The dynamics of TNW use are indeed compromising which pose the question that is there any one on one relevant replacement of this system? Keeping International relation, diplomatic grounds and foreign agreements in sight, TNW use will instantly bring intense backlash from rest of Globe compromising key strategic interests of Pakistan. It will instantly isolate Pakistan at Global level creating severe challenges to Pakistan security in short terms generally and long terms specifically. To avoid that, an equally capable armament is required which can do the job without qualifying in category of WMD. An interesting option to consider is warhead or guided bomb Sensor Fused Anti-tank Cluster Munitions. These cluster munitions are actually anti-tank bombs coupled with a joint tracking system which allows them to strike top of moving target at pin point accuracy. As top of turret is weak spot of a Tank, so these bomblets give assured results. United States developed similar smart weapon first time by using AGM 154 JSOW (Joint Stand Off Weapon) as carrier platform. A similar air to ground munitions is CBU-97/105 unguided sensor fused cluster bomblets. What Pakistan needs as final product is union of both ASM 154 & CBU 97. These munitions can be packed in air to ground bombs and cruise missile. GIDS in Pakistan has developed cluster munitions packed in air to ground bomb called Hijara for anti-armor role and Pakistan does have advance delivery platforms from multiple sources in the form of Ra’ad I&II (Air to Ground Strike) and Babur I&II (Ground to Ground strike). Though these bomb-lets are neither sensor fused nor carry guidance system, there is room for sufficient upgrade to introduce independent search & track system in each bomb-let. By doing so, Pakistan will be able to deploy smart anti-tank cluster munitions through Babur LACM or Ra’ad ALCM. This new weapon system, could strike any armored column at stand-off distance by engaging from top, independently picking each target and rendering entire hostile force useless.

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A: AGM 154 SOW dropping bomblets.
B: CBU 97
C: GIDS Hijara anti armor bomb.



From start, Tactical nuclear weapons were supposed to serve as stop gap measure against raging Indian aggression for time being. Availability of time, tech & funds, has granted Pakistan several options to overcome CSD based threats in general terms. Once implemented, it will put TNWs in shadows as Pakistan will be able to counter conventional threats with conventional force. Meanwhile, according to knowledgeable sources Pakistan is ready to counter the Cold Start by developing its own New Concept of War Fighting (NCWF). The country has addressed both modes, conventional and nuclear in the NCWF. Since the Cold Start was more in cognitive domain and aimed at psychologically putting pressure on the Pakistani leadership, the NCWF has blunted it in both physical and psychological domains and taken the sting out of it. The exact salient features and scale of implementation is yet to be known, but Pakistan will keep NCWF in dark for time being to earn psychological advantage. It’s very safe to assume that Pakistan will keep on developing its TNW assets, however priorities related to its usage might change. In coming half decade Pakistan is looking for serious boast in its anti-armor capability. The induction of more 3+ Generation tanks in the form of Al Khalid I/II, Al Haider MBTs, acquisition of advance Gunships like AH1Z & T129b, MALE UCAVs & ground vehicles with F&F ATGM payloads are part of scheduled plans. Nonetheless, threat level will increase too across the Eastern border as India will update its armored corps with 10 new regiments of Advance T90MS replacing old T72 Ajeya, AH64E Gunships, Avenger UCAV & K9 SPA alongside advance air defense systems. These purchases virtually explain the arms race going on in between India & Pakistan in lieu of doctrines like CSD, FSD & now NCWF. Being defensive, Pakistan will enjoy certain edge over India but it must be kept in mind that Cold Start Doctrine is not the only threat Pakistan is facing or will be facing in future. Indian army has raised specialized Mountain strike corps and has upgraded its infantry gadgetry alongside air borne operations. New dimensions of warfare are introduced as India is struggling to open a secondary hot front in Pakistan Western border, dividing the focus & force. Cold start in long terms may act as diversion to implement any new surprise strategy. For Pakistan it will remain state of continuous challenge and there will be need of continuous work on policy making, arms acquisitions and improvement of secondary sources to address all such Issues. For time being Pakistan is comparatively doing a fine job considering certain limitations, however with time it will become crucial to fill up all voids in terms of capability to overcome future threat environment.


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outstanding article...hats off
 
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Thanks for the tag and yes i will get back to you on this with a more detailed reply.An excellent effort!
I failed to end it properly as I got busy in personal stuff.
And sure, I will wait for your response to neutralize short comings in this piece of writing.

@Tipu7

Can you please elaborate on the Indian hardware & exercises to counter NASR or neutralize its efficacy ??
I have mentioned them in article.
In general every advance armament which can detect, track, engage & destroy Ground based TEL at stand off range is threat for NASR. It can be long range guided artillery, HALE UAV, advance Gunship, advance air crafts or long range cruise missiles.

what about a long range (300km+) mrls with cluster munitions? pakistan dont have strike fighters so mrls do the trick just fine
I don't think it will work against Fast charging Armored groups split up into semi groups distant far apart. Against fixed or stationary targets it will be credible choice.
 
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I failed to end it properly as I got busy in personal stuff.
And sure, I will wait for your response to neutralize short comings in this piece of writing.


I have mentioned them in article.
In general every advance armament which can detect, track, engage & destroy Ground based TEL at stand off range is threat for NASR. It can be long range guided artillery, HALE UAV, advance Gunship, advance air crafts or long range cruise missiles.


I don't think it will work against Fast charging Armored groups split up into semi groups distant far apart. Against fixed or stationary targets it will be credible choice.
short range front liners to meet them 60km away

a group of half a dozen(basically shoot and scoot) mrls will intercept them when they split up.
once a split has been found then use 60km cluster munitions to finish them. an aps wont be able to hold of hundreds of clusters.
 
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Two NASR TEL during parade on National Day of Pakistan

After the completion of nuclear program utilizing strategy of sheltered pursuit, Pakistan successfully demonstrated its nuclear delivering capability by testing & deploying Short Range Ballistic Missiles (SRBM) and raising dedicated Squadrons for strategic strike back in late 90s. It enabled Pakistan to strike counter force assets of Indian armed forces with nuclear payload. This served as deadly blow to Indian strategy which was focused on accumulation of huge chunk of armored force close to border for giving decisive challenge to Pakistan by out numbering & out gunning its defensive measure. Deployment of Strategic WMDs by Pakistan nullified this tactic as such large force concentration is appealing target for any strategic weapon. To re shift the balance in their favor, the Indian strategists came up with a new solution which was named as Cold Start Doctrine (CSD). Though officially this doctrine existence is not acknowledged but there are enough indications which points out that this strategy is not a random myth but a well-organized & well executed pro-active war strategy. Cold Start Doctrine is based upon concept of small and rapid strikes on soft targets with in Pakistan territory without overcoming the Nuclear Threshold limit. This strategy enjoys benefit due to natural lack of strategic depth on Pakistan side, particularly, on Southern Punjab & Northern Sindh sectors. With Mountain regions of Suleiman on Western side, desert on Eastern side, this region serves as soft belly of Pakistan that can literally split Pakistan into two half if it fell in hands hostile invading force. This region joins Pakistan via water channel of Indus River, road & railway network thus playing a key strategic role in terms of land & sea based connectivity.

Its worthy to point out that Cold Start is strictly based upon mechanized invasion force. For rapid movements it’s crucial that invading forces must not face any credible resistance from defending forces plus the terrain should decisively support the mission & objective. Kashmir being a mountainous region serves as natural protection layer in between both states making movement of large forces under the dynamics of CSD impossible. Boggy Plains of North & Central Punjab might appear an appealing location but it is heavily defended by Pakistan army corps which thanks to robust network of railway & roads can rapidly move & deploy in very short interval of time. This capability was successfully demonstrated during 2002 Military Stand-off when Pakistan gave soft tactical defeat to Indian armed forces even before ignition of any conflict. Presence of river-canal systems, urban areas make Punjab good in ambush defensive tactics particularly against tanks in the form of ATGM fortifications. These factors make application of CSD in Punjab region way risky in terms of losses related to time, life & equipment. South & Lower Sindh is covered with vast Marshy lands through which movement of heavy armor is not a possibility. This leaves only Desert terrains shared by Pakistan & India in the form of Great Thar desert (Punjab/Sindh & Rajasthan). In deserts, terrain is neither well defined nor permanent, sand movement keeps on shifting space so mass fortification is not possible. Vastness of desert offers flexibility in battle field tactics including flanking movements hence making it attractive target for any armored invasion. Though Pakistan have deployed its armored & mechanized armored groups close by but still it does not address the core issues by posing questions related to their rapid mobility & target acquisition in case of CSD inspired invasion.

India kept cold start doctrine in darkness, known to only close circles and started to prepare accordingly by pouring huge amount of funds. This included the purchase of relevant military hardware, establishment of robust C4ISR assets (Command for Intelligence Surveillance, Reconnaissance), improved training standards and adhering of CSD linked tactics in Corps deployed in Rajasthan. Currently India’s South Western Command (Corp I & X) and Southern Command (Corps XII & XXI) are affiliated directly or directly with CSD. Pakistan first tried to neutralize this threat by exploiting it at diplomatic level to address the threats to peace and ignition of arms race in long terms but Indian denial on existence of such doctrine & counter diplomacy rendered such attempts use less. This was the time Pakistan came up with unique solution to this unique problem.

View attachment 386839
Map shows rough deployment & possible movement as per CSD of corps of India & Pakistan near their international border. Yellow Stars show possible estimated location of deployment of TNW as response to CSD.

Due to Economic constraints and limited sources to buy military armaments, Pakistan was very short of options. By closely observing the past NATO doctrine in European theater against Soviet ground invasion as well as domestic technological domain, Pakistan re introduced Tactical Nuclear Weapons (TNW) in battle grounds as a counter tool verses CSD. NASR was specifically developed as Indian Cold Start Killer. NASR is primarily a Quasi Ballistic Missile which is carried by Multi Tube TEL vehicle (Tactical Erector Launcher). It can carry four missiles each armed with sub kilo ton miniaturized nuclear warheads. Missile as per official claims have max range of 60km, utilizes Inertial Navigation System & Global Positioning System (INS/GPS), powered by Solid Fueled Propulsion with thrust vectoring (TV) nozzles. The Development & deployment (D&D) of NASR Battle Field Nuclear Missile system gave birth to Pakistan’s own Full Spectrum Deterrence Doctrine (FSD) which relied on concept that any major armored invasion on Pakistani soil can be countered by NASR as unlike any armored force which is prone to air strikes and face certain time limitations related to strategic mobility , NASR battery is much easier to keep in stealth, can be moved more rapidly, have shoot and scoot capability which increase its survivability as well as carry enough destructive power to halt any ground invasion dead on its tracks.

This move of TNW was met with hue and cry at international level. For India it was matter of serious concern as TNW put its billions of dollar expenditure at stake. India took it as ‘’Pakistan can now do whatever it want without worrying about any serious threat on Eastern border’’. Pakistan played its shot very well in geo strategic grounds, now ball was in Indian court and it did play the return shot.

Indian answer to Pakistan FSD can be split into two major types. One is related to soft power projection other is about hard counter measures. Times when Pakistan introduced TNW, Pakistan was facing severe challenge from foreign funded local insurgency. This era of terror domination put question mark on Pakistan future uniquely as Nuclear State. This weakness of Pakistan was exploited by India which raised questions on security of Pakistan nuclear program. Both at domestic & international level, Indian sponsored journalists made reports, conducted surveys & wrote articles about the possibility of falling TNW of Pakistan in hands of terrorists and its possible outcome to Global peace in case of usage by rogue elements. Using justification that Pakistan considers India as its arch rival, India showed itself at spot that it faces most brutal threat in case of security breach of any random TNW. This perception & propagation of this perception awarded India with multidimensional favors at all levels at Diplomatic, Strategic & Social scale. In long terms it helped them to pursue certain weapon systems. It also put crushing pressure on Pakistan establishment of abandon TNW program in favor of economic support. United States, unsatisfied with Pakistan role in Global War on terror also backed this pressure wave to generate more action from Pak army to serve American interests in Afghanistan. Lobbies were created in International forums which without even knowing the basics of core issue used to raise fingers at Pakistan TNW program. Foreign funded, home grown NGO network & private media houses of State also facilitated similar ideas. As a whole it put significant load on top elite of armed forces to reconsider their policies since it was compromising Pakistan interests at certain level and was creating unnecessary hurdles related to fields of economics, energy generation, foreign diplomacy and public relations. However Pakistan responded by enhancing the security measures & improving the Command & Control (C&C) system of Strategic assets.

The core concept behind development of NASR is to forecast deterrence on Indian army avoiding ignition of any war like activity no matter what are the conditions. This security dilemma pushed Indian policy & plan makers to basics to technologically overcome this new form of threat. Indian area of work on hard counter solutions can be split into three portions. First is related to advance reconnaissance via Ground based radars, SAT Recon, UAVs for pin pointing locations of deployment of NASR batteries with in Pakistan territory. These batteries once detected can be tracked and neutralized by standoff armaments thus securing the ‘’path’’ of invading armored columns. Most notable component is ground strike fleet of Indian air force which is upgraded to deliver guided payload with precision at long ranges. In near future, integration of Rafale in IAF is likely to give big boast to this domain as it introduce advance ECM/EW along-side state of art air to ground armaments. Second portion is linked with ‘’Interception’’ assuming that if Missile is launched then it could be tracked & shot down before reaching the target. Though Indian possess Tunguska SPAAG & mobile air defense systems in the form of SA8 Osa, SA6 Buk & Akash SAM system but none of them has practical capability to intercept NASR at its terminal phase.. To full fill that void Indian Army has ordered five regiments of MR-SAM (Barak 8), which consists of about 40 launchers and 200 missiles for 2.5 billion $. MR-SAM can intercept helis, UAVs, air crafts & cruise missiles at long altitude. What is the real purpose of this Indo-Israel deal with referance of CSD Theater is still a question. But there are visible attempts by Indian armed forces in this area along-side Israel which is globally known for developing systems which can intercept rockets & short range missiles. Final portion is about ‘’survivability’’. It hypothetically bonds with situation that NASR has been used on Indian ground battle group and it must be resistant enough to survive such attack. Though info related to NASR technical data like its warhead size, its type, trajectory path, launch angles, max speed, RCS, radiation signature etc are classified however it’s an educated guess that it relies on mixture of its blast force & intense radiation to compromise its enemy existence. Ever since the introduction of NASR, India is focused on maturing its NBC protection levels. Recently military drills were conducted in simulated NBC (Nuclear-Biological-Chemical) environment (Shatrujeet Drills) and it saw participation of military gear related to CBRN (Chemical-Biological-Radiological-Nuclear) protection. Though it’s not known how preservative such drills will be in actual situation but it does compromises the vital feature of NASR to serious extent, The Deterrence. By undergoing these ‘’hard measures’’ Indian army is gaining confidence that it has found the way which can serve as solution to problem of TNW. Rather than abandoning cold start, recent updating in war strategy signifies the importance of progressive counters from Pakistan side to keep its mark ahead.

View attachment 386840
A: Indian army T90 & BMP2 invading columns.
B: Indian BMP2 engage target at night.
C: Pinaka MLRS barrage which is of same range as NASR
D: CBRN detection units during drills.
E: Indian troops in NBC suits spray their BMP2 with chemicals to wash off radioactive material.


Nonetheless, TNW represent Pakistan capabilities in the discipline of Weapon science & war strategy, it does pose some serious risks & out comes. Firstly, TNW compromises the ‘’gap’’ between Conventional war & Nuclear war. According to Indian Nuclear Doctrine, India will respond with Strategic WMDs in case if any WMD is used against them anywhere in World. As per theory, using NASR in first strike will give justification to India for full fledge nuclear retaliation. Recent reports suggests, India is very likely to strike Pakistan entire nuclear capability with nuclear weapons for ironing out any WMD related threat to its main land. If India fails to do so then Pakistan will respond in similar brutal fashion using its 2nd strike assets creating an apocalypse of MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) for South Asia. Greatest risk of TNWs usage can thus be formulated as the ignition plug for nuclear war.

The dynamics of TNW use are indeed compromising which pose the question that is there any one on one relevant replacement of this system? Keeping International relation, diplomatic grounds and foreign agreements in sight, TNW use will instantly bring intense backlash from rest of Globe compromising key strategic interests of Pakistan. It will instantly isolate Pakistan at Global level creating severe challenges to Pakistan security in short terms generally and long terms specifically. To avoid that, an equally capable armament is required which can do the job without qualifying in category of WMD. An interesting option to consider is warhead or guided bomb Sensor Fused Anti-tank Cluster Munitions. These cluster munitions are actually anti-tank bombs coupled with a joint tracking system which allows them to strike top of moving target at pin point accuracy. As top of turret is weak spot of a Tank, so these bomblets give assured results. United States developed similar smart weapon first time by using AGM 154 JSOW (Joint Stand Off Weapon) as carrier platform. A similar air to ground munitions is CBU-97/105 unguided sensor fused cluster bomblets. What Pakistan needs as final product is union of both ASM 154 & CBU 97. These munitions can be packed in air to ground bombs and cruise missile. GIDS in Pakistan has developed cluster munitions packed in air to ground bomb called Hijara for anti-armor role and Pakistan does have advance delivery platforms from multiple sources in the form of Ra’ad I&II (Air to Ground Strike) and Babur I&II (Ground to Ground strike). Though these bomb-lets are neither sensor fused nor carry guidance system, there is room for sufficient upgrade to introduce independent search & track system in each bomb-let. By doing so, Pakistan will be able to deploy smart anti-tank cluster munitions through Babur LACM or Ra’ad ALCM. This new weapon system, could strike any armored column at stand-off distance by engaging from top, independently picking each target and rendering entire hostile force useless.

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A: AGM 154 SOW dropping bomblets.
B: CBU 97
C: GIDS Hijara anti armor bomb.



From start, Tactical nuclear weapons were supposed to serve as stop gap measure against raging Indian aggression for time being. Availability of time, tech & funds, has granted Pakistan several options to overcome CSD based threats in general terms. Once implemented, it will put TNWs in shadows as Pakistan will be able to counter conventional threats with conventional force. Meanwhile, according to knowledgeable sources Pakistan is ready to counter the Cold Start by developing its own New Concept of War Fighting (NCWF). The country has addressed both modes, conventional and nuclear in the NCWF. Since the Cold Start was more in cognitive domain and aimed at psychologically putting pressure on the Pakistani leadership, the NCWF has blunted it in both physical and psychological domains and taken the sting out of it. The exact salient features and scale of implementation is yet to be known, but Pakistan will keep NCWF in dark for time being to earn psychological advantage. It’s very safe to assume that Pakistan will keep on developing its TNW assets, however priorities related to its usage might change. In coming half decade Pakistan is looking for serious boast in its anti-armor capability. The induction of more 3+ Generation tanks in the form of Al Khalid I/II, Al Haider MBTs, acquisition of advance Gunships like AH1Z & T129b, MALE UCAVs & ground vehicles with F&F ATGM payloads are part of scheduled plans. Nonetheless, threat level will increase too across the Eastern border as India will update its armored corps with 10 new regiments of Advance T90MS replacing old T72 Ajeya, AH64E Gunships, Avenger UCAV & K9 SPA alongside advance air defense systems. These purchases virtually explain the arms race going on in between India & Pakistan in lieu of doctrines like CSD, FSD & now NCWF. Being defensive, Pakistan will enjoy certain edge over India but it must be kept in mind that Cold Start Doctrine is not the only threat Pakistan is facing or will be facing in future. Indian army has raised specialized Mountain strike corps and has upgraded its infantry gadgetry alongside air borne operations. New dimensions of warfare are introduced as India is struggling to open a secondary hot front in Pakistan Western border, dividing the focus & force. Cold start in long terms may act as diversion to implement any new surprise strategy. For Pakistan it will remain state of continuous challenge and there will be need of continuous work on policy making, arms acquisitions and improvement of secondary sources to address all such Issues. For time being Pakistan is comparatively doing a fine job considering certain limitations, however with time it will become crucial to fill up all voids in terms of capability to overcome future threat environment.


@Side-Winder @Horus @Arsalan @The Eagle @WAJsal@Khafee
It is a very good read:
The only shortcoming I can see is in the use of cluster munition from the air, since for that to succeed, one should have assured air superiority if not air supremacy over the battle field and in dept.. but happily the ground launched cruise missiles can bring almost the same results..Also there is an overlooked fact that NASR will be used only in case everything else fails, which means that Pakistan's territorial integrity and survivability has been compromised, and a nuclear response became a necessity rather than an option.. The NASR missile message is to provide both Pakistan and India a way out of total MAD.. Without NASR and in this peculiar situation, Pakistan would have had no other choice but to go MAD.. and that is the extreme which Pakistan aimed to avoid by introducing NASR system..a reasoning alternative before MAD.. hence creating another chance at avoiding mutual total destruction whatever its percentage of success might be..this is at the end an act of wisdom on the part of Pakistan, mostly because he is in a defensive position against the offensive CSD..
 
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short range front liners to meet them 60km away

a group of half a dozen(basically shoot and scoot) mrls will intercept them when they split up.
once a split has been found then use 60km cluster munitions to finish them. an aps wont be able to hold of hundreds of clusters.
short range front liners to meet them 60km away

a group of half a dozen(basically shoot and scoot) mrls will intercept them when they split up.
once a split has been found then use 60km cluster munitions to finish them. an aps wont be able to hold of hundreds of clusters.
sir I agree with you long range mlrs with sensor fuzed submunitions plus good c4isr mostly via drones might be a solution against csd it might work as first line of defence. Its shock and awe (and damage too) will be disruptive for the enemy columns.

Tch tch, that's not how the real world works. As I said, at present IA/IAF does not have the capability to effectively detect a Nasr vehicle apart from other similar vehicles, let alone target it. It's visual signature is nearly the same as that of a cargo truck (when appropriately camouflaged).


Again, neutralization comes after detection. Besides, the scoot-shoot-scoot capability of Nasr makes it very survivable.


Ding ding, again, detection is the key. It's not gonna be like a Bollywood movie, where a single launcher comes out in the desert on its own and saves the day.
Also the 60km standoff range provides enough depth for launch from inside friendly territory.
Tch tch, that's not how the real world works. As I said, at present IA/IAF does not have the capability to effectively detect a Nasr vehicle apart from other similar vehicles, let alone target it. It's visual signature is nearly the same as that of a cargo truck (when appropriately camouflaged).


Again, neutralization comes after detection. Besides, the scoot-shoot-scoot capability of Nasr makes it very survivable.


Ding ding, again, detection is the key. It's not gonna be like a Bollywood movie, where a single launcher comes out in the desert on its own and saves the day.
Also the 60km standoff range provides enough depth for launch from inside friendly territory.
sir a considerable number of people indians in particular live in tom clancy's world
 
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the key factor for Cold start will be vastly superior air force
as no mechanized infantry in post 90s era is of any use without air cover(proved in Gulf wars)
a single squadron of airforce armed with cluster ammunition can wreck havoc on 1000s of tanks

so what PAF needs is wide spread/space fighter jets that can deter any aircraft trying to establish air superiority over Pakistan territory, any decent BVR fighter will do good for us if fielded in numbers. JF-17 is perfect but we will need atleast 200-250+ numbers.
for the offensive punch PAF will need atleast 100-150 fighters f-16,j-11 or j-10

as of now IAF doesn't has the numbers to do so, it needs to be at least 3-4 times superior to PAF, with coming of rafale, tejas, imporvement in availibity rate of su 30s and new single engine fighters it might be able to get ahead if the acquisitions are done faster and if pAF continue with slow rate of thunders with no other acqusitions
 
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Due to sheer power of nuclear weapons and the kind of destruction they can cause their importance will never end or even reduce. But what may end is fear of Pakistan being a nuclear state because every time India shows aggression we start acting like a 5 year old or that so called grow up but dumb lover who has placed Gun on his head and is threatening to commit suicide. That is why I call NASR stupidity because in my view if you are so for nuclear war than straight go for one and fire what ever you have in your Arsenal or fight a conventional war and if you feel you are loosing than use all your nuclear weapons.

So now we come to conventional part and yes I agree with Mr @Tipu7 to extent that we need to come up with strong conventional answer which should be from every force I mean Army and Air Force and Navy and even Para Military. Here are my suggestions and please I know the budget crap but as economy improves all of these should be implemented.

1 : Increase size of Army along with number of Tanks and Anti Tank weapons and specially MRLs and form more strike units which have one task to capture enemy territory and as many as they can. We need the MRL system which USA has or Chinese one. Also need to work on future soldier project.

2 : We need a third 4.5th Generation Fighter Jet like Euro Fighter or Su-35 and we need it in large numbers also increase the production of JF-17 and get as many F-16 as you can. With that focus on Land to Surface and standoff weapons like RAAD and C-806 and other Missiles. And if some miracle happens economy improves fast not only speed up the work on your 5th Generation projects but also induct a bomber like J-16 or SU-34.

3 : For love of GOD focus on our Navy if some one wants to tell me that Pakistan can defend itself against Indian Navy which soon plans to have around 80 Frigates and Destroyers along with Corvettes and this number doesn't include Missile Boats and Fast Attack Craft and other small attack ships also around 35 to 40 Submarines and on the other hand Pakistan having only 12 Frigates and 11 or 12 Submarines than I would love to meet that genius. Pakistan needs a Navy which should have at least 24 of those Frigates which are equipped with VLS which can fire long range cruise missiles and we need to develop Babur N with range of around 1500 KM to 2000 KM and also we need around 16 submarines 12 AIP and 4 nuclear and lots of Missile Boats which should also be able to fire long range Missiles at least of 800 KM range

@Tipu7 @Horus @Oscar @Arsalan
 
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Due to sheer power of nuclear weapons and the kind of destruction they can cause their importance will never end or even reduce. But what may end is fear of Pakistan being a nuclear state because every time India shows aggression we start acting like a 5 year old or that so called grow up but dumb lover who has placed Gun on his head and is threatening to commit suicide. That is why I call NASR stupidity because in my view if you are so for nuclear war than straight go for one and fire what ever you have in your Arsenal or fight a conventional war and if you feel you are loosing than use all your nuclear weapons.

So now we come to conventional part and yes I agree with Mr @Tipu7 to extent that we need to come up with strong conventional answer which should be from every force I mean Army and Air Force and Navy and even Para Military. Here are my suggestions and please I know the budget crap but as economy improves all of these should be implemented.

1 : Increase size of Army along with number of Tanks and Anti Tank weapons and specially MRLs and form more strike units which have one task to capture enemy territory and as many as they can. We need the MRL system which USA has or Chinese one. Also need to work on future soldier project.

2 : We need a third 4.5th Generation Fighter Jet like Euro Fighter or Su-35 and we need it in large numbers also increase the production of JF-17 and get as many F-16 as you can. With that focus on Land to Surface and standoff weapons like RAAD and C-806 and other Missiles. And if some miracle happens economy improves fast not only speed up the work on your 5th Generation projects but also induct a bomber like J-16 or SU-34.

3 : For love of GOD focus on our Navy if some one wants to tell me that Pakistan can defend itself against Indian Navy which soon plans to have around 80 Frigates and Destroyers along with Corvettes and this number doesn't include Missile Boats and Fast Attack Craft and other small attack ships also around 35 to 40 Submarines and on the other hand Pakistan having only 12 Frigates and 11 or 12 Submarines than I would love to meet that genius. Pakistan needs a Navy which should have at least 24 of those Frigates which are equipped with VLS which can fire long range cruise missiles and we need to develop Babur N with range of around 1500 KM to 2000 KM and also we need around 16 submarines 12 AIP and 4 nuclear and lots of Missile Boats which should also be able to fire long range Missiles at least of 800 KM range

@Tipu7 @Horus @Oscar @Arsalan
Sir jee we need to Alot of things, we need scar we need SU35 we need frigates we need tanks we need third gen atgms, for all of that we need money and thus currently maintaining minimal credible deterrence
 
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