The Kanal Istanbul project should be stopped

[Glass]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1209835232402083841

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[Killuminati]

Payments of ships to cross Canal Istanbul will never compensate it's constructions costs including the costs for bridges. US and Romania are investing in Alexandroupolis port, they are looking for alternatives. Traffic in Bosphorus is declining and Russia will anyways use the Arctic route soon.
If Turkey is really afraid of Petrochemical accidents in Marmara... then why not reviving the Samsun-Ceyhan pipeline project and connecting it with Russia? For sure the safer and most time effective solution.

Merchant companies gladly pay for Suez and Panama since it spares them thousand of miles but Canal Istanbul?
So protecting the buildings but wiping out X km² forrests and fertile land... look you may think i'm against everything Erdogan is doing, i'm not.
But there are "kazik" projects like Russian owned Akkuyu nuclear plant, Osman Gazi "kazik" bridge and now Canal Istanbul "kazik" project.

There are many other things that need investments such as Agriculture, Energy alternatives, Military and Infrastructure.

Alexandroupolis port an alternative to what? What does this have to do with Bosphorus strait? Why should the dangerous artctic route be an alternative for a much more beneficial route via Black Sea to the Mediterranean Sea? On average 3 million oil barrels pass through the Bosphorus strait per day, which is almost the same as Suez Canal (4.5 million barrels). The Bosphorus strait also has a primary chokepoint status, which makes it even more important. In short, the Bosphorus strait is a very important part of the international oil transport route and
it seems that this will certainly not change in the coming years.

So far you guys have been opposed to almost every project of the AKP.

 

[xenon54 out]

Is the economy really dying with growth forecasts like these ?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263757/gross-domestic-product-gdp-in-turkey/

You talk about forecasts while completely ignoring the reality so far which is much worse than 2008 crisis for Turkey, are you even aware that Turkey lost a whole decade even with those optimistic forecasts?...
Not even considering potential US sanctions which would be disastrous for Turkish economy.

Here your own link...

Turkey will catch up with the GDP of 2013 only in 2022, if those forcasts are true to begin with, but uhh look at those forecasts, great isnt it?...

 

[Glass]

You talk about forecasts while completely ignoring the reality so far which is much worse than 2008 crisis for Turkey, are you even aware that Turkey lost a whole decade even with those optimistic forecasts?...

Here your own link...

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Turkey will catch up with the GDP of 2013 only in 2022, if those forcasts are true to begin with, but uhh look at those forecasts, great isnt it?...

Ur right with the lost decade but u wrote : "dying turkish economy" but everything right now hints at growth and a typical and expected response from u now was

if those forcasts are true to begin

and every forecast hints at growth are these now all false ?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

@Hakikat ve Hikmet can you explain me all this ? The video is in turkish buddy.

Secondly, what is US stance on this oroject and what is PT erdogan’s plan.

How is this helpful for usa and turkey ?

I usually don’t watch these propaganda stuffs...

As for Kanal Istanbul project, it’s a 2 in 1 initiative. Provide an alternative route from the Marmara to the Black Sea and bypass Istabul from the hazards. And, to develop a Bosporus class business and residential districts. Investors from various countries are damn interested to develop another “Dubai” - devoid of Haram rulers with inhuman conditions, and the unbeatable heat of Jehennem....

It’s a win-win for Turkey first and foremost....

 

[xenon54 out]

Ur right with the lost decade but u wrote : "dying turkish economy" but everything right now hints at growth and a typical and expected response from u now was and every forecast hints at growth are these now all false ?

If you are happy with the situation then fine by me buddy, just hope that those moronic head of state dont do another screw up which will cost another year of growth, may 2020 bring a growth above 2% at least...

 

[UkroTurk]

1.The number of ships passing through the straits decreased. Thanks to new pipelines.

https://www.utikad.org.tr/Detay/Sektor-Haberleri/12702/bogazlardan-gecen-gemi-sayisi-azaldi

2. Last year, 45 thousand 529 ships, 8 thousand 745 of which were tankers, crossed the Bosphorus.

3. If you closed the strait and forced all 45000 ships to use new canal and everyship paid 160.000usd passing fee, you would reach your target revenue of your investment : 6 billion USD per year.

Let's compare 160.000usd passing fee with others.

Suez channel:
the shortest link between the east and the west

Canal toll 500k USD
Advantages

Total revenue

Panama
Canal toll 200k USD
Advantage

Revenue

Kanal İstanbul
Costs 160k USD
Shortens 0km ( indeed it lenghtens 15km)







No one can close the strait and none of ships won't pay any 160.000usd moreover new channel length is 45km which is longer than Istanbul strait is 29km.

For what who would pay 160.000usd volunteerly when there was an open and free strait.?


Neyin kafasını yaşıyorsanız aynısından bende istiyorum. CHP şöyle CHP böyle. Utanmazlar. Bu milletin 10 milyar dolarını çöpe atacaksınız. Daha doğrusu Tayyip ve ekibi cebe atacak. Burası savunma forumu hepiniz iyi çok iyi buluyorsunuz ne zorluklarla 6 tane denizaltıya, milgeme, silahlara, nükleer santrallere, uçaklara kaynak ayrılmaya çalışılıyor.

 

[Killuminati]

1.The number of ships passing through the straits decreased. Thanks to new pipelines.

https://www.utikad.org.tr/Detay/Sektor-Haberleri/12702/bogazlardan-gecen-gemi-sayisi-azaldi

2. Last year, 45 thousand 529 ships, 8 thousand 745 of which were tankers, crossed the Bosphorus.

3. If you closed the strait and forced all 45000 ships to use new canal and everyship paid 160.000usd passing fee, you would reach your target revenue of your investment : 6 billion USD per year.

No one can close the strait and none of ships won't pay any 160.000usd moreover new channel length is 45km which is longer than Istanbul strait is 29km.

For what who would pay 160.000usd volunteerly when there was an open and free strait.?

How you mean because of new pipes? Which pipes you mean? Gas to Europe? First of all most of the tankers are oil tankers and EU is not the only custommer of Russia. Secondly, you indicate that the number of ships that have passed through Istanbul has decreased. It was 40k in 2017 and 45k in 2018. If you look at the number of tankers, the numbers continue to vary slightly, but there is certainly no drastic drops as you try to indicate. Thirdly, Russia is not only an exporting country but also imports goods from all over the world. This also applies to neighboring countries of the Black Sea.

Bosphorus strait is very tight at some points and requires large ships to do dangerous maneuvers. This is also the reason why the percentages of giant container ships do not rise. The new channel will change this.

 

[UkroTurk]

How you mean because of new pipes? Which pipes you mean? Gas to Europe? First of all most of the tankers are oil tankers and EU is not the only custommer of Russia. Secondly, you indicate that the number of ships that have passed through Istanbul has decreased. It was 40k in 2017 and 45k in 2018. If you look at the number of tankers, the numbers continue to vary slightly, but there is certainly no drastic drops as you try to indicate. Thirdly, Russia is not only an exporting country but also imports goods from all over the world. This also applies to neighboring countries of the Black Sea.

Bosphorus strait is very tight at some points and requires large ships to do dangerous maneuvers. This is also the reason why the percentages of giant container ships do not rise. The new channel will change this.

Bütün bu yazılardan sonra bu mudur anladığın?
You can not close the İstanbul strait!!!!!!! You can not stop international sea transport. You can not make any ship delay.

Noone will pay to your canal 160k for nothing!!

Hazards??? İstanbul strait wide is min 690meter. New canal is 200 meters.
You are going to settle 500.000 people on both side of channel. And you are going to built high big buildings near the new channel. Which would be more dangerous if there were any explosion? 200 meter or 690 meters.

Once there was an accident. A oil ship exploded and nothing happened . So your argument about hazard is bullshit.

This project is not economically effeccient. Dead born. This is waste of money of Turkish taxpayers. Don't waste our money. İ pay fucking taxes to my country despite all of you who live and pay taxes in Europe. İt is the matter of money. İ don't want some politicians milk my money.

10billion dollar would strength Turkish Army. If you are all Turkish patriots let's allocate additional 10 billion USD to defense budget.
Kanal İstanbul is Erdoğan's construction project there is nothing related with transport of ships.
İngilizce anlamıyorsanız Türkçe yazalım. Bu projeden yılda 6 milyar dolar gelecek diye sizleri kandırıyorlar. İmkansız. Boğazı tamamen kapatırsanız tüm geçen 40bin küsür gemiden 160biner dolar alırsanız ancak 6 milyar dolar elde edersiniz. Böyle birşey yapmaya kalkmak demek Rusya başta olmak üzere bütün ülkeler ile savaşmak demek. Savaşıp yenseniz bile hiçbir enayi buradan geçmeye para vermez. Süveyş kanalının yaptığı geliri hedefliyor manyaklar. Ulan Süveyş doğuyla batıyı birleştiriyor.

Ayrıca Stalinin sırf bu boğazlar yüzünden Beykoz ve Adapazarını işgal edip üs kurma planları vardı. Möntröyü delme muhabbetinde padişahınız çark etti. Daha nasıl gemileri oradan parayla geçmeye zorlayacaksınız? Bomboş insanlar bomboş beyinler

 

[Deliorman]

@UkroTurk , abi, they talk about a cost of the Canal to be 75 billion TL which is more like 13$ billion right now. And that’s for just the Canal.

Be sure that such a project if started will not finish in time but will get delays and will certainly go over the budget by at least a double. Nicolae Causescu in Communist Romania bankrupted the whole country with the canal he built between Black Sea and Danube while using slave labour and spending much less.

What about the necessary infrastructure for the Canal- docks, bridges, road links, the planned cities around it and etc? How much is that supposed to cost? At total the whole project will cost an astronomical sum of money that will never repay itself because you have an open and free of charge passage a few miles south. Why waste hundreds of billions of liras on that when you can invest them in your agriculture, industry, education and science and actually have positive results in the future.

It’s needless to say that the Canal will destroy the water sources of millions of Istanbul residents. Just that can show you how dumb the whole project is...

 

[UkroTurk]

Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits
"Article 2 , "In time of peace, merchant vessels shall enjoy complete freedom of passage and navigation in the Straits, by day and by night, under any flag with any kind of cargo."

Boğazı kapatacak adamı sikerler hemde ilk başta Ruslar en sonunda da beğenmediğiniz hangi ülkeler varsa acı acı. Dünya deniz ticaretini durdurmaya kalkan adamın bir gemisi bile açık denizde barınamaz.

 

[CAN_TR]

Why should we be against a project that would benefit Turkey, but this project is not one of them.

You ever heard one of us complaining about investment in Defence?

 

[Killuminati]

Bütün bu yazılardan sonra bu mudur anladığın?
You can not close the İstanbul strait!!!!!!! You can not stop international sea transport. You can not make any ship delay.

Noone will pay to your canal 160k for nothing!!

Hazards??? İstanbul strait wide is min 690meter. New canal is 200 meters.
You are going to settle 500.000 people on both side of channel. And you are going to built high big buildings near the new channel. Which would be more dangerous if there were any explosion? 200 meter or 690 meters.

Once there was an accident. A oil ship exploded and nothing happened . So your argument about hazard is bullshit.

This project is not economically effeccient. Dead born. This is waste of money of Turkish taxpayers. Don't waste our money. İ pay fucking taxes to my country despite all of you who live and pay taxes in Europe. İt is the matter of money. İ don't want some politicians milk my money.

10billion dollar would strength Turkish Army. If you are all Turkish patriots let's allocate additional 10 billion USD to defense budget.
Kanal İstanbul is Erdoğan's construction project there is nothing related with transport of ships.
İngilizce anlamıyorsanız Türkçe yazalım. Bu projeden yılda 6 milyar dolar gelecek diye sizleri kandırıyorlar. İmkansız. Boğazı tamamen kapatırsanız tüm geçen 40bin küsür gemiden 160biner dolar alırsanız ancak 6 milyar dolar elde edersiniz. Böyle birşey yapmaya kalkmak demek Rusya başta olmak üzere bütün ülkeler ile savaşmak demek. Savaşıp yenseniz bile hiçbir enayi buradan geçmeye para vermez. Süveyş kanalının yaptığı geliri hedefliyor manyaklar. Ulan Süveyş doğuyla batıyı birleştiriyor.

Ayrıca Stalinin sırf bu boğazlar yüzünden Beykoz ve Adapazarını işgal edip üs kurma planları vardı. Möntröyü delme muhabbetinde padişahınız çark etti. Daha nasıl gemileri oradan parayla geçmeye zorlayacaksınız? Bomboş insanlar bomboş beyinler

Sanki bir bok yazdin da bir seyleri anlamamizi bekliyorsun.

You write a whole text but the content is zero. This is always the case of CHP heads. They never come up with decent arguments. Everything is based on their hate about the AKP. Nothing more.

Why should we be against a project that would benefit Turkey, but this project is not one of them.

You ever heard one of us complaining about investment in Defence?

Not even a single shame about writing this.

Until now, CHP has always criticized the policies that were in favor of Turkey's interests. They are practically against all military actions carried out in northern Syria. They are also against gas explorations of Turkey. They cannot stand the fact that Turkey is becoming increasingly powerful. Always be on PKK's side. Always criticize or thwart everything that the government comes with. What are you guys good at? Tell me what are you good at?

 

[UkroTurk]

I feel content because I got the right reaction.
Anyway why should Erdogan consciously insist of making a mistake? İ have the answer!

When Erdogan spends money on high technology or defense projects and budget money goes not to his supporters. Most of members of defense projects are secular, Republican well educated bright people. For example, probably , engineers of new submarine haven't voted for him. They don't support Erdogans power but Erdogan's party and powrr need to be supported. So most of Akp voters share in common at construction business. There is one way to make his useless mass just giving them some soil and money. Let them play and make them Happy. Who would fight for Erdo if there were political updown? Those secular engineers and industry sector don't obey him.
That's why Construction projects are favored. They are doomed to make just construction works Getting more education voters change their political views. They are doomed to follow scienceSurvival of the fittest.

mediocracy
1) Rule by those who are of average or below average competence.
2) A society in which people with little (if any) talent and skill are dominant and highly influential.
3) A social or administrative system which is like an antithesis to a meritocracy.

 

[CAN_TR]

Not even a single shame about writing this.

Until now, CHP has always criticized the policies that were in favor of Turkey's interests. They are practically against all military actions carried out in northern Syria. They are also against gas explorations of Turkey. They cannot stand the fact that Turkey is becoming increasingly powerful. Always be on PKK's side. Always criticize or thwart everything that the government comes with. What are you guys good at? Tell me what are you good at?

Show me one comment where i criticized a military action in Syria, Gas explorations, PKK friendly (lol), criticize everything the Goverment did? Read my signature maybe that will show you my Political view/ideology?

I have a own brain i decide what is right or wrong, it's my opinion that is not manipulated by anyone.
And in my opinion Canal Istanbul is a useless project, same with the PP i'm not against Akkuyu i'm against Russian owned Akkuyu. I rather have more domestic renewable energy sources than a Russian PP on Turkish soil.

In the past MHP especially Bahceli was the one who opposed Canal Istanbul most, what happened now that he changed his mind?