The Indian Air Force continues to underperform.

[xTra]

When no other excuse is left..........typical Indian escape from the argument.

As usual you never discussed what you posted in first post.

Best of luck.

Saiyan bathe kotwal to dar kahe ka.

 

[The Headache]

Devastation of Pathankot

8-Pass Charlie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are not testimonies. You should stop seeing Indian channels where you get your history lessons

Murid, Mianwali, Sargodha, Chander, Risalewala, Rafiqui, and Masroor (especially Sargodha and Masroor). How can you forget these places? I think ignorance has become an important part of Pakistani "intellectuals".

Yup, history like in Pathankot, Kalaikunda, Ambala.....since we are talking about airforce, i will not mention Chahmb, Mukerian and few others.

And history like Murid, Mianwali, Sargodha, Chander, Risalewala, Rafiqui, and Masroor you don't like to mention either.

 

[kaku1]

Idiocy has no limits when Indians find excuses to escape from reality, for it would help if they would sometimes utilise the grey matter, but then some are just on a imaginary high horse albeit they spend all day on a Pakistani forum......Just a click of a button would enlighten these gloating idiots that it's all part of the same title.
Indian Air Force Still Plagued by Poor Procurement Process
The Indian Air Force (IAF) continues to underperform.

2008 air alert
After the 2008 Mumbai attacks, PAF was put on high alert. It deployed to all its wartime locations and started combat air patrols. The speed and intensity of the deployment and PAF's readiness took the Indian Army High Command by surprise and later reports suggest was the main factor in the Indian decision of not going for cross border raids inside Pakistan.[44][45]Pakistani press reported issuance of a PAF Standing Order to launch an immediate counterattack in case of an air attack from India, after Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee threatened Pakistani President.[44][45]

So, why you changed the title?

Did you dont know the difference in

Procurement/Bureaucracy Problem v/s AF underperformance.

If I start, then sorry bro, your MoD too is not so much great in procurement and bureaucratic clearances.

 

[The Headache]

as long as they dont have to prove it

And when the time comes for proving, then we will turn out to be the grand pas !

 

[janon]

Yup, i guess the bodos massacring the north east doesn't count. Job well done!

RIP Indian Logic

Yes yes, India's law and order problems are the same as Pakistan's wars. That is why you see the Indian army and air force doing full fledged war against Maoists and Bodos, and being unsuccesful. (That's sarcasm, in case you don't get it.)

IT's all right for you to soothe your ego by mentioning Bodos and Maoists and paid Kashmiri stone pelters, whenever the uncomfortable topic of Taliban and LeJ and SSP and tens of thousands of militants in your country come up. But it is only that - a faulty way of soothing your ego.

Idiocy has no limits when Indians find excuses to escape from reality, for it would help if they would sometimes utilise the grey matter, but then some are just on a imaginary high horse albeit they spend all day on a Pakistani forum......Just a click of a button would enlighten these gloating idiots that it's all part of the same title.
Indian Air Force Still Plagued by Poor Procurement Process
The Indian Air Force (IAF) continues to underperform.

So you don't know the difference between a title and a byline. And then have the audacity to talk about grey matter.

@WebMaster @Horus @Jango : Deliberately changing the title to troll.

 

[xyxmt]

Yes yes, India's law and order problems are the same as Pakistan's wars. That is why you see the Indian army and air force doing full fledged war against Maoists and Bodos, and being unsuccesful. (That's sarcasm, in case you don't get it.)
.

I didnt get it either, how long India is fighting that war

 

[gslv mk3]

Indian Air Force Still Plagued by Poor Procurement Process
The Indian Air Force (IAF) continues to underperform.

“The Indian Air Force’s capabilities are continuing to deteriorate, despite the arrival of a government that seems ready to make big acquisition decisions,” summarizes a recently published Jane’s Defence Weekly briefing on the current state of the Indian Air Force (IAF). Among aviation experts, the IAF has been notorious for its high accident rate in its MIG-21 fleet. For the last few years, it has also been suffering from a shortfall in the number of trained pilots. In addition, the number of combat squadrons has fallen to 34 despite an authorized goal of 42.

The report quotes a previous IHS Jane’s World Air Forces from 2006, which states that the IAF is “a competent, technology-intensive service” yet also, “in a state of flux, and force structure decision-making is complicated by politics, sensitivity to past corruption in procurement projects, conflicting budget priorities, continuing problems with indigenous systems [and] bureaucratic delays in tendering processes.” In 2015, the situation does not seem to have changed too much. According to an internal IAF assessment obtained by IHS Jane’s, the operational availability of the force for the previous three years was on average as low as 60 percent.

The IHS Jane’s report notes that the future capabilities of the IAF are subject to the Modi government’s approach to procurement. “The early signs are that Modi’s MoD will adopt a hybrid policy, encouraging local development but with foreign help.” The success of this partnership approach remains to be been as progress has been slow and mixed, despite the new government’s decision to raise the cap on foreign direct investments, as well the pledge of Indian Finance Minister Arun Jaitley towards a more “pragmatic approach” when dealing with foreign firms and joint-ventures.

Yet, for example, India and France are still at loggerheads over a $20 billion deal for the local in-license production of 126 Rafale fighter jets in Bengaluru. France’s Dassault Aviation argues that it cannot take responsibility for the production of the aircraft since it has no control and oversight over the production facilities. However, the French defense contractor has pledged to help Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd stick to the delivery schedules. The Indian government will in all likelihood have to make a decision before Indian Prime Minister’s Modi’s scheduled visit to Germany and France in April of this year.

The media also reported reported that India will start developing its own fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA), this year, and is also eager to purchase Israeli air-to-air missiles. New Delhi also wants to develop its first domestically produced military transport cargo plane. This, however, as Defense News recently reported, has run into various obstacles. It appears that what the former Army Chief V.K. Singh said two years ago still holds true: “The procurement game is a version of snakes and ladders where there is no ladder but only snakes, and if the snakes bite you somewhere, the whole thing comes back to zero.”

Indian Air Force Still Plagued by Poor Procurement Process | The Diplomat

@Horus @Oscar @Chak Bamu @waz @WebMaster pls change the title to 'Indian Air Force Still Plagued by Poor Procurement Process'

 

[janon]

I didnt get it either, how long India is fighting that war

The point is that it is not a war between Indian armed forces and militant groups. In the case of maoists, not a single military operation has ever been undertaken. They are a law and order problem, and dealt with as such. In the case of Bodos, the present rebel groups have been operating for a few years at most, and they have only done one terror act. There have been other small scale insurgencies, all of which don't exist any more. Have Bodo militants taken over the army headquarters, or infiltrated a naval base and blown up prized assets, or infiltrated air bases and blown up the most valuable aircrafts? Have they killed 60,000 Indians in the past decade? Have they thy made large chunks of the country no-go areas for the govt forces? Have they installed a parallel govt in large areas of the country?

But yes, if you want to pretend that India's fight against rag tag groups is equivalent to PAF and PA bombing and doing military campaigns on their own soil for so many years, do so. It gives us some smug entertainment.

 

[kurup]

Idiocy has no limits when Indians find excuses to escape from reality, for it would help if they would sometimes utilise the grey matter, but then some are just on a imaginary high horse albeit they spend all day on a Pakistani forum......Just a click of a button would enlighten these gloating idiots that it's all part of the same title.
Indian Air Force Still Plagued by Poor Procurement Process
The Indian Air Force (IAF) continues to underperform.

2008 air alert
After the 2008 Mumbai attacks, PAF was put on high alert. It deployed to all its wartime locations and started combat air patrols. The speed and intensity of the deployment and PAF's readiness took the Indian Army High Command by surprise and later reports suggest was the main factor in the Indian decision of not going for cross border raids inside Pakistan.[44][45]Pakistani press reported issuance of a PAF Standing Order to launch an immediate counterattack in case of an air attack from India, after Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee threatened Pakistani President.[44][45]

Don't worry ..... everybody here knows that a guy like you will stoop low to score some points and troll on anything related to India defence .

And keep the grey matter to yourself .... you urgently need some .

 

[Didact]

The point is that it is not a war between Indian armed forces and militant groups. In the case of maoists, not a single military operation has ever been undertaken. They are a law and order problem, and dealt with as such. In the case of Bodos, the present rebel groups have been operating for a few years at most, and they have only done one terror act. There have been other small scale insurgencies, all of which don't exist any more. Have Bodo militants taken over the army headquarters, or infiltrated a naval base and blown up prized assets, or infiltrated air bases and blown up the most valuable aircrafts? Have they killed 60,000 Indians in the past decade? Have they thy made large chunks of the country no-go areas for the govt forces? Have they installed a parallel govt in large areas of the country?

But yes, if you want to pretend that India's fight against rag tag groups is equivalent to PAF and PA bombing and doing military campaigns on their own soil for so many years, do so. It gives us some smug entertainment.

One of my relatives, who has served, and led, combined army-police operations against the insurgency when it was at its peak in Assam , has a rather interesting take about the current levels of violence. (Interesting fact: He was in charge of the adjoining district of Sonitpur, where the carnage took place till very recently.)

He recalls that some of the supposed "major militant" groups had between them from 30-80 militants active in India, and at most a few hundred in Myanmar. Hell, he said, the neighborhood football field had more players playing than the number of active members in these groups.

The ones in India were more keen on extortion, and the ones in Myanmar were more keen on surrendering than fighting.

He also suggested that some of the major attacks were driven more by the need to keep their members from surrendering, by getting the group a bad name and by extension the hands of the members bloody. Kind of sick.

 

[xyxmt]

The point is that it is not a war between Indian armed forces and militant groups. In the case of maoists, not a single military operation has ever been undertaken. They are a law and order problem, and dealt with as such. In the case of Bodos, the present rebel groups have been operating for a few years at most, and they have only done one terror act. There have been other small scale insurgencies, all of which don't exist any more. Have Bodo militants taken over the army headquarters, or infiltrated a naval base and blown up prized assets, or infiltrated air bases and blown up the most valuable aircrafts? Have they killed 60,000 Indians in the past decade? Have they thy made large chunks of the country no-go areas for the govt forces? Have they installed a parallel govt in large areas of the country?

But yes, if you want to pretend that India's fight against rag tag groups is equivalent to PAF and PA bombing and doing military campaigns on their own soil for so many years, do so. It gives us some smug entertainment.

insurgent groups cannot do much harm unless they have financial support from outside. We dont need to tell you who is supporting TTP just like you dont need to tell us who was supporting Kashmiri seperatists.

 

[Nilesh Singh]

Because it didn't need to. Genius, please the quote IAF vs PAF losses in that war?

And when it was really needed in 2001/2008, IAF could do absolutely nothing. What makes you think they can do anything now? A bollywood movie? perhaps.

Good reply TT, excepting nothing less from You. Call some other Pakistani member and yes our fav. mod Harous also in the gang and start bashing India. Pathetic

Was it a conventional warfare ?

How on earth you become TT