The Greatest Generals of World

[angeldude13]

veer shivaji.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

What about Saladin who defeated combine forces of seven countries and total army of them was six lac and Muslim army was around 50,000 and ratio was around 1:12 in favor of combine forces with batter armour and weapons

Now where did u get this absurd data?He always outnumbered the crusaders.

 

[Slayer786]

Now where did u get this absurd data?He always outnumbered the crusaders.

The Crusades

`The Crusades form', says a Western writer, `one of the maddest episodes in history. Christianity hurled itself against Muhammadanism in expedition after expedition for nearly three centuries, until failure brought lassitude, and superstition itself was undermined by its own labour. Europe was drained off men and money, and threatened with social bankruptcy, if not with annihilation. Millions perished in battle, hunger or disease and every atrocity imagination can conceive disgraced the warrior of the Cross'.

The fall of Jerusalem into the hands of the Muslims threw Christendom into violent commotion and reinforcements began to pour in from all parts of Europe. The Emperors of Germany and France as well as Richard, the Lion-hearted, king of England, hurried with large armies to seize the Holy Land from the Muslims. They laid siege to Acre which lasted for several months. In several open combats against the Sultan,, the Crusaders were routed with terrible losses.
The Sultan had now to face the combined might of Europe. Incessant reinforcements continued pouring in for the Crusaders and despite their heavy slaughter in combats against the Sultan, their number continued increasing. The besieged Muslims of Acre, who held on so long against the flower of the European army and who had been crippled with famine at last capitulated on the solemn promise that none would be killed and that they would pay 2,00,000 pieces of gold to the chiefs of the Crusaders. There was some delay in the payment of the ransom when the Lion-hearted king of England butchered the helpless Muslims in cold blood within the sight of their brethren.
This act of the king of England infuriated the Sultan. He vowed to avenge the blood of the innocent Muslims. Along the 150 miles of coastlines, in eleven Homeric battles, the Sultan inflicted heavy losses on the Christian forces.
At the last the Lion-hearted king of England sued for peace, which was accepted by the Sultan. He had found facing him a man of indomitable will and boundless energy and had realized the futility of continuing the struggle against such a person. In September 1192, peace was concluded and the Crusaders left the Holy Land with bag and baggage, bound for their homes in Europe.
`Thus ended the third Crusade', writes Michaud, `in which the combined forces of the west could not gain more than the capture of Acre and the destruction of Ascaion. In it, Germany lost one of its greatest emperors and the flower of its army. More than six lakh Crusaders landed in front of Acre and hardly one lakh returned to their homes. Europe has more reasons to wail on the outcome of this Crusade as in it had participated the best armies of Europe. The flower of Western chivalry which Europe was proud of had fought in these wars'.
The Sultan devoted the rest of his life to public welfare activities and built hospitals, schools, colleges and mosques all over his dominion.

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There were too many crusaders who came to fight but few returened home.

Salahuddin Ayubi was one of the greatest muslim General, but I rank Khalid-Bin-Walid as the best of them as he was never defeated in the hundred or so battles he fought as the General of muslim armies.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Completely false article.Richard landed with 8000 men at acre to relieve the 15000 odd garrison.Altogether crusader strength never rose above 25000 for the entire third crusade.Six lakh lol,in medieval europe if u combined all the armies u wouldn't get half that number.50000 was a 'huge' army by medieval standards unless u were steppe armies.

As for muslim generals i agree,i too rate khalid one with timur at 2.

My all time top 7 includes both.Plus napoleon,alexander,hannibal,genghis/subotai,caesar.
Plus manstein,model,marlborough,suvorov,frederick,scipio ,belisarius,wellington honourable mention.

 

[Slayer786]

Completely false article.Richard landed with 8000 men at acre to relieve the 15000 odd garrison.Altogether crusader strength never rose above 25000 for the entire third crusade.Six lakh lol,in medieval europe if u combined all the armies u wouldn't get half that number.50000 was a 'huge' army by medieval standards unless u were steppe armies.

As for muslim generals i agree,i too rate khalid one with timur at 2.

My all time top 7 includes both.Plus napoleon,alexander,hannibal,genghis/subotai,caesar.
Plus manstein,model,marlborough,suvorov,frederick,scipio ,belisarius,wellington honourable mention.

Richard and his forces aided in the capture of Acre. King Richard landed at Acre on 8 June 1191. he gave his support to Guy of Lusignan who was fighting a challenge from Conrad of Montferrat for the kingship of Jerusalem. Conrad was in turn backed by Philip and Duke Leopold V of Austria. Putting aside their differences, the Crusaders captured Acre that summer.

Source: About.com
Military History

He may had only 8000 but there was an alliance of others and there combined forces was large. Admitted he was brave but a cruel man who went back on his words, when he ordered the muslim prisoners to be executed although in the surrender terms it was negotiated that they would be freed. And Salahuddin Ayubi on the other hand freed all the christians from Jerusalem as per surrender terms.

The preaching of the First Crusade unleashed a wave of impassioned, personally felt pious Christian fury that was expressed in the massacres of Jews that accompanied and preceded the movement of the crusaders through Europe,[29] as well as the violent treatment of the "schismatic" Orthodox Christians of the east.[30]

Besides the People's Crusade, Urban's appeal gathered a large number of noblemen and other soldiers together. Among the leaders of the First Crusade were Godfrey of Bouillon, Robert Curthose - son of William the Conqueror and eldest brother of the then King of England, William II of England, Hugh of Vermandois - brother of King Philip I of France, and Stephen, Count of Blois - brother-in-law of Robert Curthose. The French king was excommunicated and thus unable to go. The German Emperor, Henry IV, was still embroiled in the Investiture Crisis and would not have supported papal initiatives.[31] The various leaders left at different times, with Hugh of Vermandois departing first and the bulk of the army dividing into four parts which travelled separately to Constantinople.[32] In all, the western forces may have totaled as much as 100,000 persons counting both combatants and non-combatants.[33]

Source: Wikipidea

Also, not all crusaders were soldiers, some were non-combatants. There were nine crusades and usually they came from Europe to and landed in Acre.

The port of Acre was controlled by the crusaders at the beginning and it was here the forces from Europe landed. But it was retaken by the mislims after the fall of Jerusalem in 1187, but recaptured by the crusaders again when Richard and his allies came and landed on its shores.
But it was finally captured by the muslims in 1291 and the crusaders lost a vital point of contact.

The Siege of Acre (also called the Fall of Acre) took place in 1291 and resulted in the loss of the Crusader-controlled city of Acre to the Muslims. It is considered one of the most important battles of the time period. Although the crusading movement continued for several more centuries, the capture of the city marked the end of further crusades to the Levant. When Acre fell, the Crusaders lost their last major stronghold of the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem. They still maintained a fortress at the northern city of Tartus, engaged in some coastal raids, and attempted an incursion from the tiny island of Ruad, but when they lost that as well in 1302/1303 in the Siege of Ruad, the Crusaders no longer controlled any of the Holy Land.[1]

Source: Wikipidea

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Richard was brutal alright and far more than saladin at that,but at acre his act may have been necessary.saladin was shrewdly stretching out the negotiations for the crusaders to remain pinned at acre and exhaust supplies.Richard couldn't keep them as they were consuming valuable supplies and neither could he let them go,they'd join saladin so he killed them.I admit it a terrible act of cold blooded murder but militarily there may have been some justification.
The ultimate acts of crusader brutality were in the first crusade.

 

[Koovie]

There were too many crusaders who came to fight but few returened home.

Salahuddin Ayubi was one of the greatest muslim General, but I rank Khalid-Bin-Walid as the best of them as he was never defeated in the hundred or so battles he fought as the General of muslim armies.

Six LAKH crusaders????? Again, SIX LAKH?!

From where did you get that BS?

 

[Slayer786]

Six LAKH crusaders????? Again, SIX LAKH?!

From where did you get that BS?

Smartypants there were NINE Crusades in total and by the end of the nine crusades between 1095-1291, some 600,000 crusaders had come to the Holy Land to fight and only 100,000 returned home after losing. Understand that.

Now I am going to give a quote from Wikileaks which is usually full read it carefully, because it seems you are quite slow to grasp reality.

The Crusades were a series of wars taking place in Asia Minor and the Levant between 1095 and 1291, in which Western European nations engaged using the propaganda of religious expeditionary wars. The first crusade was called by Pope Urban II of the Roman Catholic Church, with the stated goal of restoring Christian access to the holy places in and near Jerusalem. The background to the Crusades was the centuries of Arab–Byzantine Wars and the Seljuq-Byzantine Wars and the recent decisive defeat of the Byzantine army by Seljuk Turks at Manzikert in 1071.
he crusaders comprised military units of Roman Catholics from all over western Europe, and were not under unified command. The main series of Crusades, primarily against Muslims in the Levant, occurred between 1095 and 1291. Historians have given many of the earlier crusades numbers. After some early successes, the later crusades failed and the crusaders were defeated and forced to return home. Several hundred thousand soldiers became Crusaders by taking vows;[2] the Pope granted them plenary indulgence. Their emblem was the cross — the term "crusade" is derived from the French term for taking up the cross. Many were from France and called themselves "Franks," which became the common term used by Muslims.[3]

Source:Wikileaks

 

[My-Analogous]

The last one having military more then 600000 and if have counter source please show me because i read this figure from Saladin intel details translated into urdu and the book called" Iyman faroushun ke dastaan"

 

[Asian.Century]

Zia Ul Haq, German Minstein, and Hitler were the greatest generals I knew off.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Komando Musharaf.

He should be commended that his bravery resulted in 50K innocent people dead and he still did not resign.

 

[Joe Shearer]

There were too many crusaders who came to fight but few returened home.

Salahuddin Ayubi was one of the greatest muslim General, but I rank Khalid-Bin-Walid as the best of them as he was never defeated in the hundred or so battles he fought as the General of muslim armies.

You might like to look at the record of some of the Delhi Sultanate's generals against the invincible Mongols. It was an incredible chapter of Indian military history, and practically unnoticed normally.

Zia Ul Haq, German Minstein, and Hitler were the greatest generals I knew off.

I am surprised at your including Zia ul Haq as a general, or Hitler. This is a very low level of discussion or analysis.

 

[The SC]

Salahdin Al Ayoubi
Khalid Ibn Al Walid (and Gingis khan were the only generals that had never lost a battle in all history.)
General Patton
Fieldmarshal Rommel
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[Asian.Century]

I am surprised at your including Zia ul Haq as a general, or Hitler. This is a very low level of discussion or analysis.

Sorry mate, the way you feel. BUT, having Military qualities, skills and bravery is definitely what the greatest general Hitler, who face almost the entire world wrath with his only Germany country and the great Pakistani General Zia ul Haq, who faced from 1973-78, on its own and then 1978-1988 foreign help, to defeat a great super power the Soviet Union of Russia.

Zia ul Haq and Hitler if you donot include their political ambitions, were extremely cunning and best of the best Generals of our time.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Zia Ul Haq, German Minstein, and Hitler were the greatest generals I knew off.

I am surprised at your including Zia ul Haq as a general, or Hitler. This is a very low level of discussion or analysis.

Sorry mate, the way you feel. BUT, having Military qualities, skills and bravery is definitely what the greatest general Hitler, who face almost the entire world wrath with his only Germany country and the great Pakistani General Zia ul Haq, who faced from 1973-78, on its own and then 1978-1988 foreign help, to defeat a great super power the Soviet Union of Russia.

Zia ul Haq and Hitler if you donot include their political ambitions, were extremely cunning and best of the best Generals of our time.

And how do you define a general?