The Ghazi That Defied The Indian Navy

[danger007]

Enter the Dragon.......exit the Cow. !!!

hehehe dragon??? may be illusion....

 

[ajtr]

 

[ajtr]

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I was in Karachi and never saw even a hut burning during War in 1965 and 1971. When do you get this Propaganda ?

The Indian air force had been carrying out reconnaissance flights over West Pakistan during December, 1971, along the 2,430-km border. No sooner had the East Pakistan operation been launched than Pakistan got reports about Indian intentions on West Pakistan, especially the November 9 CIA report which cautioned Nixon and Yahya Khan that India wanted “to change the borders of West Pakistan too and destroy the Pakistan Army”.

In a bid to frustrate such plans, Pakistan launched pre-emptive air strikes on Indian bases nicknamed Operation Changez Khan on the evening of December 3, 1971. Indian air bases at Amritsar, Agra, Srinagar, Pathankot, Jodhpur, Ambala, etc., were bombed. This led India directly into attacking the western wing which it wanted from the day the crisis in East Pakistan had began. India retaliated immediately and from the night it bombed Pakistan airfields and vital installations. The Indo-Pakistan war of 1971 had begun. Pakistan was now engaged on two fronts. While Indian air force attacked Pakistani installations every day, the Indian navy launched an attack on the Karachi port — the lifeline of Pakistan. Called Operation Trident the Indian navy used missile boats which damaged Pakistani destroyer PNS Khyber and a minesweeper PNS Muhafiz on the night of December 4 and 5.

Pakistan Navy suffered another loss when its submarine PNS Ghazi sank in the Bay of Bengal, where India had enforced a naval blockade of East Pakistan. Here India’s only aircraft carrier Vikrant was deployed not only to carry out a naval blockade of Bay of Bengal but to undertake air attacks inside East Pakistan. This also made East Pakistan navy ineffective. India too suffered a loss of a frigate INS Khukri near Karachi on December 9.

After the first round of air force and naval attack on Karachi on December 4, India wanted to cripple Pakistan by blocking the Karachi seaport. Pakistan Navy retaliated by bombing Okha harbour in Gujarat and its fuel reserves, but three days later the Indian navy undertook another operation against Karachi titled Operation Python on the night of December 8 and 9, and sank three merchant navy ships but the loss of oil reserves at the port was severe. All 22 fuel tanks were ablaze for three days. After December 8, Karachi seaport virtually stopped operating. Trade stood still. Besides the damage caused to the naval facilities at Karachi harbour, the attacks caused serious damage to civilian life and material. In their air attacks the Indian pilots missed their targets and the heavy explosives fell upon the civilian population like in the neighbourhoods of Gulbahar, Agra Taj Colony, and the like. This created panic among the citizens and many moved houses. The people from upcountry living in Karachi rushed to their hometowns. The naval and air attacks on Karachi continued till there was a ceasefire after Dhaka fell.

After the December 3 situation, the Indian air force bombed the air bases in Punjab and Kashmir and the infantry pushed through Sindh, Punjab and Kashmir. Here the Indian army stayed till the final withdrawal truce. As the war had flared up, world leaders regained new efforts for considering ways to stop it and bring the parties to the negotiating table.

Indira Gandhi, with large armaments on both fronts without declaring war on Pakistan, had written a letter to Nixon on December 5, claiming that war had been thrust upon her. She asked the US president to exercise his influence on Pakistan to stop fighting and “…to deal immediately with the genesis of the problem of ‘East Bengal’ which has caused so much trial and tribulations to the people not only of Pakistan but of the entire subcontinent”.

The next day (December 6), Gandhi spoke at the Indian parliament and announced the recognition of East Pakistan as Bangladesh. This happened when the UN Security Council which had begun its session on December 4, was still discussing ways and means to stop fighting. After three days of deliberations the United States moved a resolution demanding immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of the troops. The resolution was quickly vetoed by the Soviet Union, defeating this belated attempt.

On December 8, the day the UN General Council adopted a resolution with a majority of 104 votes, Nixon and Kissinger did not seem satisfied with the developments as they apprehended that Indian invasion of West Pakistan would mean total Soviet domination of the region. To show sympathy with Pakistan, the United States on the same day sent planes and military supplies through Iran, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, and encouraged China to increase arms supplies to Pakistan.

They also ordered to send the Seventh Fleet Enterprise and other naval forces into Bay of Bengal, for, according to the US State Department, Foreign Relations, 2005 report, preventing a “Soviet stooge supported by Soviet arms” from overrunning an ally.
The Soviets in turn sent 16 ships in two groups of gunboats, cruisers, destroyers and a nuclear submarine, but apparently combat was not their mandate.

A leaf from history: When the war began | DAWN.COM

Guess u were in coma that time sir

 

[Quick MIK]

Im thinking about those sailors inside pns ghazi when it sank.Terrible death....Hope there will be no more war.

 

[neehar]

wow...so this is what they called fcuking with history..interesting
PNS Ghazi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
speaking of 1971..i would like to remember this hero...INS KURSURA
http://indiannavy.nic.in/print/819

 

[neehar]

Hey along with Ghasi, 3/4th of pakistani navy too "EXPLODED IN A FLASH OF GLORY"

well i can understand that when a sub did fighting a war its called a hero...but when its exploded..why do all these ppl praise it to death...???????????so everybody knows the truth ...

Seems there's no shortage of butt hurt trolls littering this sub forum

i can see it in ur troll :p

 

[ajtr]

The truth behind the Navy's 'sinking' of Ghazi

Lt General JFR Jacob, (retd), hero of the 1971 India Pakistan war, explains why the Indian Navy destroyed documents related to the sinking of the Pakistani submarine, PNS Ghazi.

Earlier this month, there were reports that all documents connected with the sinking of the Pakistani submarine PNS Ghazi during the 1971 war had been destroyed by the Indian Navy.

It is not difficult to conjecture the reasons why.

Back in November 1971, our signal intercept units had been monitoring the movements of the Ghazi on her entering the Bay of Bengal. The last intercept we got from the Ghazi was on 27 November. We had been passing on all intercepts to the Navy.

PNS Ghazi blew up due to an internal explosion while laying mines off the port of Vishakapatnam, probably at the end of November or the beginning of December 1971.

On December 3, I received a call from Vice Admiral Krishnan, Commander of the Eastern Naval Command, who said that fishermen had found some floating wreckage, and that he had gone to the site where the wreckage was found.


Among the debris was a lifebelt with 'Diablo' printed on it. Diablo was the name of the United States Navy submarine that was transferred to the Pakistan Navy and renamed Ghazi.

Krishnan said he had no doubt that the wreckage was that of the Ghazi and that the sinking of the Ghazi was an act of God. He stated that the Navy was unaware that the Ghazi had sunk. He had rewarded the fishermen who had found the wreckage. I told him that there was no threat now to the aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, which had been the prime target of the Ghazi.

On the morning of December 4, Krishnan again called me, asking if I had sent a report on the Ghazi. I replied in the negative, saying that as it was a naval matter, I had presumed that he had done so. He seemed relieved and told me that I should forget our conversation of the previous day and that he was in discussions with the Navy chief, Admiral SM Nanda, in Delhi.

On December 9, the Navy announced that they had sunk the Ghazi on December 4, after the start of the war. Later, officers were decorated for their role and the offensive action of their ships in the sinking of the Ghazi.

After the war, however, teams of divers confirmed that it was an internal explosion that sank the Ghazi. The log of the Ghazi was recovered and the last entry as far as I can recall was on November 29, 1971. Sadly, that too has been destroyed.

The Navy had earlier decided to change the date of Navy Day to December 4, the day they had proclaimed that they had sunk the Ghazi.

But I had spoken to the press regarding the sinking of the Ghazi and later published my conversations with Vice Admiral Krishnan in my book 'Surrender at Dacca' in 1997. The Navy then realised that they could no longer maintain their claims to have sunk the Ghazi on December 4.

The Navy then went on to state that December 4, the new date for Navy Day, marked the start of the war. For the record, the war started on December 3 at 1800 hours, when Pakistan bombed our airfields.

As the old saying goes, truth is the first casualty in war.

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So the real reason PNS Ghazi sank due to accident due to onboard internal explosion long before war has started around 29th of nov. 1971 and Jokers in Indian navy later claimed that they sank PNS Ghazi and went on to decorate the officers.And later to cover up their likes Navy destroyed all papers pertaining to PNS Ghazi sinking .....as still celebrate 4th dec as navy day. The real jokers of Indian navy's there lies are coming out now.

 

[ajtr]

India did not sink Ghazi: Pak commander

NEW DELHI: Reviving past controversies, a former Pakistan Navy (PN) commander has said the Indian "claims" that PN submarine 'Ghazi' was sunk by them during the 1971 war was "false and utterly absurd".

However, former top Indian Navy officers say the Pakistani submarine was destroyed in explosion of depth-charges dropped by destroyer INS Rajput, which the attacking Pakistani vessel had mistaken for aircraft carrier INS Vikrant and was pursuing it.

In an article sent to the premier journal 'Indian Defence Review', Commander (Retd) Muhammad Azam Khan said PNS Ghazi, which was then PN's only submarine with a capacity to reach Bay of Bengal and undertake operations on India's eastern sea, sank on the night of December 3-4, 1971 off Vishakhapatnam after an explosion.

"Since all the 82 crew members embraced shahadat (martyrdom), it is unlikely that the mystery surrounding the circumstances in which Ghazi met her end will ever be unveiled," he said.

"Still, the Indian claims of sinking Ghazi are not only false but utterly absurd, to say the least", Khan said.

He claimed that if PNS Ghazi had survived, the possibility of Indian aircraft carrier INS Vikrant operating in Bay of Bengal or deploying its fighter fleet or the Indian Navy carrying out a landing on the shores of then East Pakistan "would have only remained a pipedream".

However, the official history of Indian Navy 'Transition to Triumph', authored by Vice Admiral (Retd) G M Hiranandani, quotes naval records and top naval officials who commanded operations on the eastern waterfront as saying that INS Rajput was sent from Vizag to track down Ghazi.

 

[Azazel]

The truth behind the Navy's 'sinking' of Ghazi

Lt General JFR Jacob, (retd), hero of the 1971 India Pakistan war, explains why the Indian Navy destroyed documents related to the sinking of the Pakistani submarine, PNS Ghazi.

Earlier this month, there were reports that all documents connected with the sinking of the Pakistani submarine PNS Ghazi during the 1971 war had been destroyed by the Indian Navy.

It is not difficult to conjecture the reasons why.

Back in November 1971, our signal intercept units had been monitoring the movements of the Ghazi on her entering the Bay of Bengal. The last intercept we got from the Ghazi was on 27 November. We had been passing on all intercepts to the Navy.

PNS Ghazi blew up due to an internal explosion while laying mines off the port of Vishakapatnam, probably at the end of November or the beginning of December 1971.

On December 3, I received a call from Vice Admiral Krishnan, Commander of the Eastern Naval Command, who said that fishermen had found some floating wreckage, and that he had gone to the site where the wreckage was found.


Among the debris was a lifebelt with 'Diablo' printed on it. Diablo was the name of the United States Navy submarine that was transferred to the Pakistan Navy and renamed Ghazi.

Krishnan said he had no doubt that the wreckage was that of the Ghazi and that the sinking of the Ghazi was an act of God. He stated that the Navy was unaware that the Ghazi had sunk. He had rewarded the fishermen who had found the wreckage. I told him that there was no threat now to the aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, which had been the prime target of the Ghazi.

On the morning of December 4, Krishnan again called me, asking if I had sent a report on the Ghazi. I replied in the negative, saying that as it was a naval matter, I had presumed that he had done so. He seemed relieved and told me that I should forget our conversation of the previous day and that he was in discussions with the Navy chief, Admiral SM Nanda, in Delhi.

On December 9, the Navy announced that they had sunk the Ghazi on December 4, after the start of the war. Later, officers were decorated for their role and the offensive action of their ships in the sinking of the Ghazi.

After the war, however, teams of divers confirmed that it was an internal explosion that sank the Ghazi. The log of the Ghazi was recovered and the last entry as far as I can recall was on November 29, 1971. Sadly, that too has been destroyed.

The Navy had earlier decided to change the date of Navy Day to December 4, the day they had proclaimed that they had sunk the Ghazi.

But I had spoken to the press regarding the sinking of the Ghazi and later published my conversations with Vice Admiral Krishnan in my book 'Surrender at Dacca' in 1997. The Navy then realised that they could no longer maintain their claims to have sunk the Ghazi on December 4.

The Navy then went on to state that December 4, the new date for Navy Day, marked the start of the war. For the record, the war started on December 3 at 1800 hours, when Pakistan bombed our airfields.

As the old saying goes, truth is the first casualty in war.

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So the real reason PNS Ghazi sank due to accident due to onboard internal explosion long before war has started around 29th of nov. 1971 and Jokers in Indian navy later claimed that they sank PNS Ghazi and went on to decorate the officers.And later to cover up their likes Navy destroyed all papers pertaining to PNS Ghazi sinking .....as still celebrate 4th dec as navy day. The real jokers of Indian navy's there lies are coming out now.

LOL,What caused this so called accident.Their is no proof for this theory.Some Pakistanis just trying to hide their embarrassment of defeat by making up conspiracy theories.Our Navy day is celebrated as a reminder of our successful attack on Karachi (Operation Trident)not for Sinking of Ghazi.Now,Get a life Pathetic troll.

 

[gslv mk3]

^^^lol @ Pakistani generals and their claims .....

 

[manojb]

SO it was a act of GOD!! GOD was on right side !

 

[ajtr]

Warriors of the waves

On the way to the first floor galleries of the Pakistan Maritime Museum in Karachi, one comes across a wall with names of martyrs, or Shaheeds, who died during the 1965 and 1971 wars. The list includes a section titled Ghazi, a word that refers to warriors who return victorious and alive. I wondered why Ghazis appeared on a list that was supposed to name martyrs.
A sailor on duty explained to me that it was a reference to PNS Ghazi, a Pakistan Navy submarine that had disappeared with all its men on board. Although the Pakistan Navy had named them Ghazi, fate put them on the higher pedestal of Shaheed. I went through row upon row of names, each of which represented a life cut short by war, a family denied another chance to share its joys and sorrows, the names of men who left home on a mission for the motherland and never returned.
Forty years have gone by since those 93 brave men, including their leader Commander Zafar Muhammad Khan, died as the submarine sank in the Bay of Bengal, off the Visakhapatnam coast, under mysterious circumstances at the onset of the 1971 war.
The PNS Ghazi was originally the USS Diablo, a long-range Tench class submarine commissioned by the US Navy on March 31, 1945. It served the US Navy mainly on the Atlantic side and the Caribbean Sea until it was de-commissioned on June 1, 1964, and transferred to Pakistan under an agreement. For their brilliant performance in the 1965 war, the submarine won 10 awards, including two Sitara-e-Jurat decorations.
On November 14, 1971, PNS Ghazi sailed out of Karachi harbour on a seemingly impossible mission. It was to sail past the Western Indian defences, south along enemy shores to loop around Sri Lanka and then head North to the Bay of Bengal more than 3,000 miles away from its home base.
It will forever remain a mystery exactly what objectives were contained in its Top Secret brief, to be opened only mid-mission, when the craft was deep behind enemy lines. Tempting Indian naval assets in the region, such as the aircraft carrier Vikrant, could have been on its target list. After completing its mission, the Ghazi was supposed to report to Chittagong. The then East Pakistani ports, neglected under the specious doctrine of “the defence of the East lies in the West”, were hardly even capable of handling a grand boat like the Ghazi and it’s also possible that the Ghazi was to augment the Eastern naval forces, which comprised of little more than gun boats and a few riverine crafts.
With its 11,000-mile range, designed for the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and the surprise and stealth factor of a submarine, the Ghazi was the only vessel capable of confronting the enemy in its own lair. The Ghazi reached Visakhapatnam, the headquarters of India’s Eastern Naval command, and proceeded to mine the entrance channel of the port. Had the Ghazi been able to complete this task, the entire Indian Eastern Naval fleet would have been bottled up in their own port. But that was not to be.
The answer to “What happened next?” depends largely upon where you search for it. Histories written on both sides of the border are likely to serve perceived national interests more than they serve the cause of accuracy.
GM Hiranandani, a retired vice admiral of the Indian Navy, writes in his book Transition to Triumph that the Ghazi was lured by reports indicating the presence of the Vikrant, which was actually stationed far away in safety.
Once the Ghazi took the bait, depth charges were dropped on the orders of Lt-Commander Inder Singh, the captain of the Indian destroyer INS Rajput, as the Ghazi exited the port’s channel. This resulted in the sinking of the Ghazi and Lt-Commander Singh was later decorated with the Indian gallantry award Vir Chakra.(Indian navy's lies put to rest by Lt.Gen Jacob himself in above article)
The Pakistani version, as laid out by the Directorate of Public Relations — Pakistan Navy, is that probably due to high currents in the Bay of Bengal, the Ghazi hit a mine that it had laid down itself. Whatever the truth, the incident marked the first time a submarine sank during a war after the Second World War.
Interestingly, the Indian Government turned down requests by the US and the then-USSR to raise the submerged sub from the sea. In 2010, all records related to the sinking of the Ghazi were also reported to have been destroyed by the Indian Navy. Lt General (retd) JFR Jacob, who served as the chief of staff of the Indian Army’s Eastern Command during the 1971 war, suggested in a May 2010 article that the Ghazi had met an accidental end and the Indian Navy had nothing to do with its sinking, hence the destruction of the records. Many other heavyweights on the Indian side also share this scepticism of the Indian Navy’s official stance.
To gain an independent opinion, I got in touch with the veteran USS Diablo crew who had served on the boat before it became PNS Ghazi. They had studied sonar pictures and sketches of the sunken vessel and believed that an explosion in the Forward Torpedo Room (FTR) destroyed the Ghazi. This view is also shared by Indian journalist Sandeep Unnithan, who specialises in military and strategic analysis.
Underwater video footage obtained by divers also shows jagged portions of the FTR jutting outwards, adding credence to the internal explosion theory.
Hours after the Indian government officially announced the sinking of the Ghazi on December 9, 1971 (almost ten days after the actual event), a Pakistani submarine PNS Hangor engaged in a death-defying duel with two anti-submarine vessels of the Indian navy which were sent to find and destroy it. Hangor, literally meaning “Shark” in Bengali, certainly had a bite worth its nickname. It not only managed to evade its hunters, it also sunk the INS Khukri and damaged the INS Kirpan. This was the first time after World War II that a submarine claimed a confirmed kill.
A few days after the Ghazi’s destruction, Indian divers opened up the vessel and entered it to recover whatever valuable information they could. They salvaged some objects, a few of which are displayed at an Indian war-time museum nearby. Unnithan wrote that the divers also came across some bodies, among them a sailor who “had in his pocket a poignant letter written in Urdu to his fiancé: ‘I do not know if you will ever read this, but we are here separated by thousands of miles of sea…’”
Forty years later, as I stood in a museum those very thousands of miles away, I wondered which sailor it was among these countless names who had written the letter.
Those men wrote a tale of bravery across the waters of the Indian Ocean and paid the highest price for it. Even four decades on, their courage and efforts must not be forgotten.
Their last resting place reminds me of Rupert Brooke, an English poet who volunteered for service in the navy during the First World War and wrote a poem titled “The Soldier”:
If I should die, think only this of me:
That there’s some corner of a foreign field
That is forever England. There shall be
In that rich earth, a richer dust concealed;
Rupert Brooke died on duty and was buried in Greece — a foreign land. The poem would be a fitting tribute to the 93 Pakistanis who, like Brooke, died on another land while serving their own.

^^^lol @ Pakistani generals and their claims .....

Lt.Gen.JFR Jacob indian general hai mahashai.

 

[ajtr]

LOL,What caused this so called accident.Their is no proof for this theory.Some Pakistanis just trying to hide their embarrassment of defeat by making up conspiracy theories.Our Navy day is celebrated as a reminder of our successful attack on Karachi (Operation Trident)not for Sinking of Ghazi.Now,Get a life Pathetic troll.

Lol. Embrassed indian navy and indians reacts same way when some upright principled indians themselves expose Indian lies.Pathetic isnt it Navy claiming to have sunk the PNS Ghazi whin it actually sank due to an accident on-board.

Pathetic Indian jokers.

^^^They need something to cover up their pathetic failure....

Yes its the indian navy which did the cover up job by destroying all evidences.Pathetic indian navy.Top notch liars.

 

[American Pakistani]

Poor indians think they sunk "Ghazi".....funny how are they brainwashed. Ghazi was sunk in result of laying a mine or something & even after Ghazi was gone, indians still feared it.