The future of Muslims in India according to the Hindus

[AfrazulMandal]

There we go deflecting again- You made a statement on genocide - I asked for links - you provided a link talking about 1948- Now you say I am waiting for it- what happened- You need to up your game man-you dropped the ball there.

This is not a game for us, sire.

 

[ChennaiDude]

Gujarat genocide.
Kashmir genocide.

Gujrat was a communal clash related to Babri Masjid- Kashmir is not genocide its an insurgency.

There has been a total of 22 Riots in India - None are Genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots_in_India

This is not a game for us, sire.

I know its not- These are serious charges you leveled- So its you who has to prove that genocide is being done on Muslims- Riots and clashed dont count. ( Communal riots have always been there in Pre Independent India and Independent India)- Population of a certain community (In this case) being exterminated would qualify for Genocide- Show me proof that this is happening.

 

[Naofumi]

Gujrat was a communal clash related to Babri Masjid

But state was favoring one side.

 

[ChennaiDude]

But state was favoring one side.

That I agree-It was. Well it still is classified as a Communal clash- Unfortunately for India the same is being allowed for the rest of India- If this is how Modi as a name became popular, it will be the reason that will bring his downfall- History will judge him for sure- India needs a different team urgently right now to correct the ship.

 

[Meengla]

This is where you are wrong.

Hindu leadership in the hands of a few Brahmins - this is a misconception. Many generations of Muslims have paid a dear price for this. The leadership rests firmly among all classes and castes. That is why we face the problems we do.

No secular party will be willing to side with a Muslim party ANYWHERE.

I do hope for a separate homeland, but that even my friends say is too unrealistic.

Well, a man can hope, right?

Yes, it's a big misconception that Brahmins are the predominant power...

Anyway.. unless there's clear evidence of a reversal of Hindutva, the Indian Muslims must start to consolidate in border States of India.. Another Sir Syed Ahmad Khan awakening awaits the Subcontinent...

 

[Soumitra]

Yes, it's a big misconception that Brahmins are the predominant power...

Anyway.. unless there's clear evidence of a reversal of Hindutva, the Indian Muslims must start to consolidate in border States of India.. Another Sir Syed Ahmad Khan awakening awaits the Subcontinent...

Do you see the big problems with your plan.

You have to think about the logistics of moving such a large population. How will you get Karnataka Muslims, Bihari Muslims, UP Muslims, Kerala Muslims, etc to come together to one place? They are the poorest members of the society. They will all give up whatever little livelihood they have and move 100s or even 1000s of KM to setup their lives once again?

Secondly If 250 million Muslims start flooding one state or region they will have to displace the Hindus who already live in the region. Do you seriously think that the Indian government - whether BJP or Congress will let this happen. Do you think that RSS will sit quietly when it is happening

Thirdly let's assume that by some miracle they all come in one place. Where will they get the weapons or training to take on the Indian Army because obviously India will not just voluntarily give up the land for a second partition

And if a war does break out with Pakistani support wouldn't it be easier for India to concentrate all their power to just one small area. And if push comes to shove and there is a danger of that part breaking away wouldn't India just nuke the area?

 

[Meengla]

Do you see the big problems with your plan.

You have to think about the logistics of moving such a large population. How will you get Karnataka Muslims, Bihari Muslims, UP Muslims, Kerala Muslims, etc to come together to one place? They are the poorest members of the society. They will all give up whatever little livelihood they have and move 100s or even 1000s of KM to setup their lives once again?

Secondly If 250 million Muslims start flooding one state or region they will have to displace the Hindus who already live in the region. Do you seriously think that the Indian government - whether BJP or Congress will let this happen. Do you think that RSS will sit quietly when it is happening

Thirdly let's assume that by some miracle they all come in one place. Where will they get the weapons or training to take on the Indian Army because obviously India will not just voluntarily give up the land for a second partition

And if a war does break out with Pakistani support wouldn't it be easier for India to concentrate all their power to just one small area. And if push comes to shove and there is a danger of that part breaking away wouldn't India just nuke the area?

You have some valid concerns. Mass migration is going to be extremely difficult. But IF India is really, permanently heading the route of segregation and subjugation, instead of assimilation and accommodation, then what choice the Indian Muslims are left with? Muslims in general are very attached to their religion and Muslims of the Subcontinent even more particularly so. The Indian Muslim is not going to accept humiliation and dilution of their creed beyond a breaking point. What the new Citizenship laws in India clearly say is that the Indian Muslim is a 2nd class citizen and that's being enshrined in the Indian Constitution! And what a folly to make: Alienate 200+ million people!!

So, yes, the logistics of mass migration are a huge challenge. But the people of the Subcontinent did mass migrations around the Partition in 1947. They can do it again!

BTW, I am not advocating that Muslims consolidate to break away from India. I am saying that in areas of large populations of Muslims they are more likely to be secure. And internal movement is a constitution right of any citizen and no Indian govt would be able to legally stop that.

As for India 'just nuke the area', don't be silly. A nuclear war in the Subcontinent will not only destroy both India and Pakistan but will pretty much destroy most of the world. It will not come to that unless Pakistan's own survival is at stake.

 

[Soumitra]

What the new Citizenship laws in India clearly say is that the Indian Muslim is a 2nd class citizen and that's being enshrined in the Indian Constitution! And what a folly to make: Alienate 200+ million people!!

If you have read the new citizenship act, it doesn't take away the citizenship of any person (Hindu or Muslim) it fast tracks citizenship to refugees

CAA - gives fast track (not guaranteed) citizenship to certain class of refugees who by the way are already residents of India

NRC - Let's the government know who is a genuine citizen of the country

Tell me logically, not rhetorically why any of this is a problem?

If you say "Chronology" let me break it down.

1 Hindu with no papers. He will have to prove that he fled from Pak, Afg, BD before 31st Dec 2014. If he is genuine refugee he will prove it. If he has no papers he can't prove it and he becomes doubtful

2 Muslims with no papers. He will have to prove he applied for asylum on religious grounds. If he is genuine refugee he will prove it. If he has no papers he can't prove it and he becomes doubtful

So, yes, the logistics of mass migration are a huge challenge. But the people of the Subcontinent did mass migrations around the Partition in 1947. They can do it again!

During partition total 14.5 million people migarated from both sides of the border combined. And you know how many died in the violence. You are now speaking of 10 times that number. Just think logistically.

internal movement is a constitution right of any citizen and no Indian govt would be able to legally stop that.

Internal movement is constitutional right but you are forgetting that to move to another place and in such large numbers they will have to displace the people who are already there. (Unless they plan to move to the thar desert) Such a displacement will create a law and order situation. Do you think that Hindus will just voluntarily leave their homes, fields and businesses to allow such a large migration of Muslims.

As for India 'just nuke the area', don't be silly. A nuclear war in the Subcontinent will not only destroy both India and Pakistan but will pretty much destroy most of the world. It will not come to that unless Pakistan's own survival is at stake.

It is Pakistani posters who constantly talk about using nukes as if they were toys. We can just retaliate and send one nuke to this new Muslim concentrated area along with Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad. Don't worry this will be done if and only if that area is about to seperate from India

 

[krash]

Truth is bitter,
the worse the truth, the more ones brain denies it.

Couldn't agree more. Even makes you respond to posts with two-bit rhetoric.

Between you & me, we know exactly what happened.

We do indeed.

 

[Cliftonite]

It is Pakistani posters who constantly talk about using nukes as if they were toys. We can just retaliate and send one nuke to this new Muslim concentrated area along with Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad. Don't worry this will be done if and only if that area is about to seperate from India

You think the fallout from that wouldn't affect India? The Gangetic plain is the most densely populated area in the ENTIRE world. You would mutilate not just the 800-900 million people presently living on it but also a future generation of close to a billion with the nuclear fallout. Hehe you accuse us of toying with nuclear weapons, first look at yourself talking- 'mEh wE wIlL juSt nUke dE muSliM arEas wE izZ shuPa p0wA'

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

All Indians are terrorists.

Except your friends @Karna_007, @Mr.Nair and @SrNair.

- PRTP GWD

 

[IndiaIsBad]

This is not a game for us, sire.

How are you doing Altaf?