The Future of Kashmir? "Seven" Possible Solutions!

[Xeric]

May be even East Pakistan had nothing to do with Kashmir but is now recognized as Bangladesh because it was oppressed and neglected like Baluchistan. It was not recognized as disputed by International Countries before 71'. Now at this point Mods and you would say that Balochistan has nothing to do with Kashmir and thus should not be discussed here but then is any such thread on Baluchistan allowed to run as smoothly as the threads on Kashmir. As soon as people point to HR violations in Baloch land the comments are moderated and members banned.

Rant!

Ignored.

This is a proof of how much we love our Kashmiri Brothers that we put any HR violation against them on the front papers and headlines of our media. Unlike China and Pak which put pressure on it's media not to report any such stories and censors it's media, India is a free country where even the HR violations of it's forces are discussed in details.

i never knew we were able to influnce the western media to such an extent!! Thanks for the credit, BTW.

The only source of true information about Balochistan are some Europe based Baloch newspapers and sites.

Ahan!
So now i know your source of income, oh i mean sources of 'credible' knowledge

This is a serious allegation. Prove it or take back your claim. Or may be you are using the tactics of if you can beat them intimidate them.

It speaks of itself.

When did PAk stopped exporting Terrorism in the Valley ?? Last time I checked they increased the monthly stipend of the Terrorists and are visting their camps to pressurize them to attack Kashmir more vigorously.

Proof dude, proofs.

Less, you are just a shyter. So carry on.

Last time I checked no country recognize it as Azad Kashmir but rather Pak held Kashmir over which Pak is in dispute with India.

That didnt answer my question of comparing Baluchistan with IOK.

Moreover, no the world do not recognize AK as a point to be discussed as a parallel to IOK. We have already wasted a few pages on this, i would suggest you go back and read them (again, if you have ever read this thread at the first place).

 

[foxbat]

Moreover, no the world do not recognize AK as a point to be discussed as a parallel to IOK. We have already wasted a few pages on this, i would suggest you go back and read them (again, if you have ever read this thread at the first place).

BTW what part of the world recognizes J&K as a discussion point exclusive of Pakistan administered Kashmir? Wasnt aware of that...

 

[Xeric]

Yes the winner is PAk army and ISI both of whom are earning billions thanks to the Kashmir problem. They are real winner and are controlling the whole of Pak by sidelining the politicians due to Kashmir only.

No wrong again.

The winner is india whose forces 'enjoy' killing innocents which in turn also looses its men in a fight which has no justification whatsoever. Also these men in uniform are the real winners who faces problems like PTSD and commit suicide and kill each other either out of frustration or just because his senior has killed an innocent in another fake encounter.

 

[magg]

i never knew we were able to influnce the western media to such an extent!! Thanks for the credit, BTW.

May be you need to clean your specs as I have never mentioned western media.
Read this:
Redirect Notice

Or this

148 Balochistan women, 168 kids disappeared by force, U.N. told - Baltimore Foreign Policy | Examiner.com

So now i know your source of income, oh i mean sources of 'credible' knowledge

Cheap gimmick.

It speaks of itself.

Rant !!!

That didnt answer my question of comparing Baluchistan with IOK.

You are right Baloch land doesn't compare with Kashmir. Never in history of Kashmir have women's and Children's been killed indiscriminately to force their mens to come to protect them from a brutal force as happened during the 74-77 war in Balochistan when 15000 people were killed in the attack on womens and childrens to force the mens to come down from their positions on mountains.

 

[Xeric]

BTW what part of the world recognizes J&K as a discussion point exclusive of Pakistan administered Kashmir? Wasnt aware of that...

No no you are wrong again. That part of the world also includes GB in the discussion, right?

 

[magg]

The winner is india whose forces 'enjoy' killing innocents which in turn also looses its men in a fight which has no justification whatsoever. Also these men in uniform are the real winners who faces problems like PTSD and commit suicide and kill each other either out of frustration or just because his senior has killed an innocent in another fake encounter.

Defies logic, however replace India with PAk and putting BD, Balochistan, P_O_K into perspective all seems logical.
Off topic !!!

 

[Xeric]

May be you need to clean your specs as I have never mentioned western media.
Read this:
Redirect Notice

Or this

148 Balochistan women, 168 kids disappeared by force, U.N. told - Baltimore Foreign Policy | Examiner.com

That's what happen when you use google for expansion of your knowledge!!

You seriously need to work harder!

BTW, let me give our readers just a little insight; did it ever occurred to you that why does the news links provided by you make use of the words like ALLEGED, REPORTEDLY and other words to that effect so such an extent..??!!

 

[Xeric]

Ok guys, ciao for now, have other important things to do other than coming down to your level every now and then.

 

[magg]

You seriously need to work harder!

At what ???
Changing your views ??? No that ain't gonna happen as you belong to the military and they are indoctrinated to such an extent that they wont change their views while even under torture. So I don't expect you to change your views. But you haven't proved to be able to make a clear case. Most of your views just reflect your bias and dismissive attitude. You have not put any proofs as to the fact that IA oppresses people more than PA/ISI.

 

[ejaz007]

Humane methods be used to control IHK protests: Singh

* Indian premier tells New Delhi editors issue 63 years old, still ‘groping for solution’

* Favours shifting more powers to Jammu and Kashmir police

* No ‘quick fix’ to Naxalite issue

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: No lethal weapons but more humane methods should be used to deal with crowds, Indian Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh said while talking on the current unrest in Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) to a group of New Delhi editors at his residence.

Singh has also called a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) later this week for a “threadbare” discussion on the situation in the held state.

Singh said that the Maoist problem, and the IHK situation and the forthcoming judgement on Babri Mosque land ownership, as some of the top issues could have a bearing on how India would shape in the years to come. Even as New Delhi is reportedly mulling steps to break the cycle of violence in IHK, Singh told the editors to wait until the CCS meeting. “I cannot promise you that I will produce a rabbit out of my hat... the country must learn to be patient,” he said. Pointing out that the Kashmir problem had existed for 63 years and former Indian prime ministers Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi had all attempted to

tackle it, Singh said, “We are still groping for a solution.”

“The internal dimension of the militancy has gone down but other issues remained,” he said.

More power: Singh said he favoured more and more powers to be shifted to the Jammu and Kashmir police. “Sometime it will work, sometimes it will not work,” he added. Asked to comment on the remark of IHK Chief Minister Omar Abdullah’s that the status quo was not an option, Singh said they were in touch... and he would not wish to engage in a public discussion on this.

Quick fix: On the Naxalite issue, he said, he had no “quick fix” solution but was in favour of a two-pronged approach, which at the same time addressed the valid economic and social reasons behind the problem, while enforcing the law.

He also made it clear that he was not thinking in terms of an early retirement and indicated that a cabinet reshuffle was on the cards, before the Indian parliament meets on November 7.

“I would like to reduce the average age of my cabinet,” he said. Singh said that he has “full faith” in Indian Home Minister P Chidambaram, adding that “Chidambaram is doing an exceedingly good job and he has my full confidence and support”.

He denied reports of any disconnect between the government and his Congress party, saying expression of different views was “not necessarily a bad thing” and allowing people to express their views was not necessarily a sign of a drift.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[ejaz007]

Three killed as troops fire on protesters in IHK

SRINAGAR: Indian police opened fire on hundreds of stone-throwing protesters on Monday demonstrating against New Delhi’s rule, killing three people and wounding at least 17 other demonstrators in Indian-held Kashmir (IHK), police and witnesses said. The fresh violence comes when New Delhi was trying to respond to the biggest anti-India demonstrations that have killed 66 people in the disputed region. Three people, including a 17-year-old boy, were killed when government forces fired live ammunition to disperse protesters in Palhalan, a village north of IHK’s capital Srinagar, said a police officer on condition of anonymity. Local residents said there was no clash with the troops, but soldiers fired when the protesters refused to disperse. The state government has ordered a probe into the shooting incident. “A clash had occurred near a highway in the morning and much after that we were peacefully protesting in the village,” said resident Merajuddin. Later, as news of the shooting spread, thousands of people from Palhalan and neighbouring villages, chanting “Go India, go back” and “We want freedom”, marched to a nearby highway and blocked it. agencies

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[Neutral]

Great nations ever faced problems & difficulties so we will face them but we are not like you who sits on the shoulder of US & Russia and firing behind these countries toward us. We are still standing and facing problems but not like you who's motto only to destabilize neighbors and smiling when there sth happened

Who smiles will weep (Remember it)

Yes true....but there is no relation between Great Nation and Pakistan!! Till now(Keep that in mind that just saying that we are great nation doesn't makes you one)

And about Us and Russia

You are only nation on whole earth which is being slapped and Kissed by the Us at same time

And You are blindly sleeping on the shoulders of China...? so whats the point

and about Who smiles will weep (Remember it) ....ahh same boring old pet-line of your nation...which we are hearing since 1950s..from you with a Smiling face

 

[Xeric]

I am being hunted by Indian intelligence for telling the truth on Kashmir The Comment Factory

I am being hunted by Indian intelligence for telling the truth on Kashmir

By Giorgiana Violante


People need to cling to something. It is hard to live without hope. India has never given Kashmiris any. No hope, no dignity and no respect. They have been pushed into a corner which is beginning to look like Pakistan. Thanks to India’s policy on Kashmir over the past twenty years, Kashmiris hate Indians, mistaking them for their government, and Indians think Kashmiris are just troublesome, stone pelters instead of seeing them simply as their brothers, in trouble.

“Dear Giorgiana,

I think your article has created ripples and has not gone well with the Intelligence Agencies of the Govt. So they are looking for you. C.I.D. department wants all your particulars. I am apprehensive they might frame you in some case or something. So it would be advisable to delay your visit. You don’t know the ways and the paths our police works on.”

I have received this email, amongst others, after an article appeared in the printed press and online (India’s brutality has turned Kashmir into a living hell The Comment Factory), in which I wrote about the unlawful brutality of Indian Army troops in Kashmir. How interesting that I am being hounded like a criminal for reporting upon the criminal behaviour of the troops lording it over the Kashmir Valley. If the Indian Government had been instructing their troops to behave in accordance with moral standards of law enforcement then why have they sent their government monkeys out in search of me for reporting upon the reality of the situation?

I have been advised to lie low and not board any internal flights or do anything else that would involve showing my documents as I can expect to have drugs planted on my person at the airport or in my hotel room or some other such cheap trick characteristic of uncivilized countries. But I am staying in a hotel, and they do, of course, have a copy of my passport. As I lay in bed last night staring at the ceiling at 3 am with a head full of paranoid CID sleeplessness I vaguely considered procuring myself a dog or a husband or some other smelly aggressive entity as a protective measure. But I am not sure which option disgusted me more. Not normally given to fear, possibly the most repulsive realization is that I fell prey to it. After all, if the CID were clever enough to find me and stupid enough to do anything to me then they would have a few foreign embassies on their back given my multiple nationality status.Thank God I am not Kashmiri, and am therefore, probably, relatively safe.

But if the government has nothing to hide why have I had to go into hiding?

Ironically, I am presently living in an army cantonment area somewhere in India. It was my intention to try and speak to army officers here, in order to understand why the troops in Kashmir behave the way they do. However after having met a number of men with family histories of government army employment, I am even more shocked and perplexed. The army officers I have encountered here are amongst the most upright, morally laudable gentlemen I have ever met in my life. I have rarely, if ever, met men and boys of such upstanding manners and honourable comportment. When they talk to me they don’t even dare raise their eyes to look at me.

Whereas in Kashmir I was often prone to being followed by army officers hissing and clucking at me as if it were I who was the farm animal, rather than they. They’d often call repellently after me as I walked by, things like ‘Hey sexy, you are looking so hot in Indian dress. Hey sexy, Hey! Come back.’ If it was a group of them instead of just one, they would all start laughing thereafter. In Europe a man in uniform would get hauled before the courts for accosting a female in the street without just legal cause. But in Kashmir on many occasions over the past year I have been stopped in the street in a very formal manner by Indian army officers who start by asking for my name and passport, then my place of residence in Kashmir and invariably the questioning ends in queries as to my marital status. It becomes suddenly clear to me at this point that the reason I have been stopped is purely due to sexual motivation. A few times I have then found the same man lingering around outside my hotel for a few days. I had to change hotels twice last year before I learnt to simply keep walking when men in army uniform asked me to stop.

However here I am, being helped by Indian Army employees, instructing me as to how to avoid the trouble that I am facing from the government they work for but do not trust. I am receiving this kind treatment from army officers following an article , which they know I wrote, about what ‘pigs’ the Indian Army forces in Kashmir are. Clearly there is a vast schism between the bestial thugs sent to lord it over Kashmir and these decent individuals I find myself amongst here. One of them is trying to procure false documents for me as, apparently, if I am tracked down by the CID I can expect to be subjected to a nice dose of imprisonment full of **** and AIDS, after having some false crime hung around my neck.

The manager of my hotel keeps asking me if I want my sheets cleaned. Now I have never ever heard of anyone in India asking if you want clean sheets. Mostly they don’t use sheets and the ones you find on the beds of even the expensive hotels are usually dubiously littered with pubic hairs and a vague scent of vulgar perfume which you can assume to be the remnants of some rich businessman and his whore. Expensive hotels look cleaner but feel dirtier beneath the surface. This hotel I am staying in is relatively cheap and the manager’s insistence about coming into my room to change the sheets is making me increasingly paranoid. I keep wondering if I would find clean sheets (finally!) but also find something vaguely drug-like hidden under them. His peculiar sheet persistence keeps tempting/scaring me but I am not sure I am willing to risk my freedom for a couple of clean sheets.

Last night some English girl came up to me and asked if I wanted to go to a Sheesha bar with her and some friends. “Oh thank you,” I replied, “but I’m vegetarian”. She looked very perplexed and then explained that Sheesha bars are places where people smoke big pipes full of drugs. I had thought it was an abbreviation of sheesh kebab. I waited until she turned back to her friends and then quickly scuttled out of the restaurant. I am beginning to think that one of my professors back in Kashmir was right when, every time I got into trouble for saying or doing the wrong thing, he would tell me that he was not angry because it was just but because I was too innocent. I rather expect he will be feeling less indulgent now. My ‘innocence’ denotes that I never considered the trouble my previous article would cause the people who had housed me back in Kashmir and helped with my research project concerning a comparative study of Kashmir Mysticism, Shaivism, Buddhism, and Sufism.

If I am an innocent (albeit of idiot stock) then I would definitely say that some of the young army cadets I am meeting here exceed me in innocence (of the noble breed) by a long stretch. I cannot fathom a single one of these boys ever behaving in the way the troops do in Kashmir. Not even in ten years. I consider it a strict impossibility. I therefore finally understand at least one thing, that being the fact that Indians are always so unwilling to accept the possibility that their armed forces might be violating their rights of power in Kashmir. When the army is composed of boys like the ones I am presently meeting, and if I had never been to Kashmir, I too would have assumed that all the reports of unprovoked violence and **** by the forces was pure Kashmiri fabrication.

***

Strangely enough it was one of the young army cadets who raised the subject of **** with me here. Even more strange was the fact that he has Pandits in his family and yet he was still capable of viewing the Kashmir situation with equilateral appraisal. I asked him, the same as I ask all of them, how it is possible that the troops behave in that way in Kashmir when all the individuals I was meeting from army families here in this cantonement seem so very decent. I asked whether the forces sent to Kashmir were a totally separate breed, separately trained and instructed… I imagined them being the rejects, too mentally deficient to make it into the army proper, of intellect so low and bestial that it would be considered hazardous to their own health to be left alone in a room with a plastic fork, let alone let loose on an Indian State with batons and guns. Where in Hell are the Indian Government dredging up the thugs that they send off to Kashmir? Are they separately trained in the basics of moral codes of order in the line of law enforcement?

“No No, I don’t know actually. But you know it’s not that the men are different to us. It’s just the atmosphere in Kashmir that makes them act like that. If I have the freedom to go into peoples’ houses raping women ‘n all and not get in trouble for it of course I will do it, he na? It is the atmosphere. They can do what they want. Do you know how many women have been raped in Kashmir?”

“I know how many have been reported over the past twenty years,” I replied. “And I also know that in this part of the world that signifies that the actual number is probably twenty times higher. That makes for an awful lot of noughts.”

I am incapable of believing this boy’s opinion. I do not believe that it is possible for normal boys to turn rotten enough to **** women in villages, beat children in the streets, simply because of the prevalent conditions in Kashmir permitting them such bestial largesse. Truly I am utterly confused.

All I understand now is the reason why Indians are so unwilling to believe the truth about what their government is doing to Kashmir. They are incapable of believing it for the same reason that I am incapable of believing that the army men I am meeting here would ever be posted in Kashmir, or are even trained at the same base camps. The forces in Kashmir are clearly being allowed/instructed to behave in total contravention to all honourable codes of law enforcement. I will never begin to understand the reasons behind this because fortunately my brain is not sufficiently ****** to get to grips with the inner machinations of politics. But how can Kashmiris be expected to feel as if they are a part of India when they have never been treated as such? Is it any wonder that a growing number of Kashmir’s desperate and hopeless youth is being seduced by the dubious pro-Pakistan preachings of bearded wahabis veiling their politics beneath the mantle of religion?

People need to cling to something. It is hard to live without hope. India has never given Kashmiris any. No hope, no dignity and no respect. They have been pushed into a corner which is beginning to look like Pakistan. Thanks to India’s policy on Kashmir over the past twenty years, Kashmiris hate Indians, mistaking them for their government, and Indians think Kashmiris are just troublesome, stone pelters instead of seeing them simply as their brothers, in trouble.

 

[tiaverma]

future of kashmir is nothing but due to kashmir war is held many times boths countries will destroy but kashmir prob remain still.....million billion will die but kashmir problem remain same...
acc to me sol is seprate only kashmir not jammu and ladak

or drop a nuclear bomb on to kashmir

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

i have said it before, i'll say it again....

such a basic phenomenon


dont drop ******* bombs on Kashmiris.....let them determine their future.


BAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!