The Future of Kashmir? "Seven" Possible Solutions!

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[Abu Zolfiqar]

stick to topic rather than resort to cheap diversionary tactics

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

or the most common-sense and sustainable solution


the long-ago proposed plebicite

 

[RollingStones]

or the most common-sense and sustainable solution


the long-ago proposed plebicite

Sorry, we dont want small districts declaring independence and turning into yet another non-governed region. Small districts such as Hong Kong, Macau and Kashmir should stay within large federations as Special Autonomous Regions (SARs). 60 years ago, the world did not face problems of terrorism. Today we do. And we need responsible solutions - not every district within current federations wanting to go their own way. A small independent Kashmir district is a recipe for disaster. The best solution is to turn South Asia into a large federation with meaningless borders subjected to strict rule of law, uniform education and governance standards. We need to solve the problem of terrorism coming out of large ungoverned areas in South Asia and that should be the world's priority.

 

[KS]

the long-ago proposed NON-BINDING plebicite

I just made a small correction in ur original post.

Tel me if u dont understand that.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Sorry, we dont want small districts declaring independence and turning into yet another non-governed region. Small districts such as Hong Kong, Macau and Kashmir should stay within large federations as Special Autonomous Regions (SARs). 60 years ago, the world did not face problems of terrorism. Today we do. And we need responsible solutions - not every district within current federations wanting to go their own way. A small independent Kashmir district is a recipe for disaster. The best solution is to turn South Asia into a large federation with meaningless borders subjected to strict rule of law, uniform education and governance standards. We need to solve the problem of terrorism coming out of large ungoverned areas in South Asia and that should be the world's priority.

thanks for cutting and pasting what you already posted last week


you dont want Kashmir issue solved using world mediation, but you're happy to have world prioritize and focus on ''large ungoverned areas in South Asia''

does that include the red corridor, west bengal and tamil regions as well?

do I smell unhidden selectiveness?

 

[RollingStones]

thanks for cutting and pasting what you already posted last week


you dont want Kashmir issue solved using world mediation, but you're happy to have world prioritize and focus on ''large ungoverned areas in South Asia''

does that include the red corridor, west bengal and tamil regions as well?

do I smell unhidden selectiveness?

I dont know what these other regions are and how they fare in the overall scheme of things. But my thought would be to use currently available federations to solve the problem of governance. South Asia current and only priority should be to solve governance, education, health and justice/liberty issues. Re-federating, realigning districts, small population exoduses are all not the current priority for South Asia. The regions you mentioned, if they can all be solved under current federations through effective governance, then great. If not, the need would be to change the ELECTION and GOVERNANCE methods and not letting these regions go independent in the hopes that somehow magically, post-independence these areas would have better rights and governance. That part of the predication is what i am opposed to. I can never support creating more problems to solve an existing problems. Kosovo, former soviet states - no one knows if their governance and rights have improved at all? Also, Hong Kong by re-federating with China has not seen a drop in rights?? So, it is questionable that small, independent districts will be able to govern themselves better and afford more rights for their people. Unless we know for sure the district of Kashmir or whatever it is called can prove conclusively that they are better off being independent of a federation, not a whole lot of people will support its cause. The same thing happened with Tibet. Tibet is not able to prove that it'll be so much better off and will be an asset to the world when NOT under Chinese sovereignty. Today's world is preoccupied with a global economic disaster. Kashmir becoming a separate country is certainly only a blip on the radar.

 

[toppys]

indian army ki jay...!!

In US also kids do drugs smell glue etc . may be because of indian army. I think in pakistan kids dont do glue as they get original stuff easily.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Pakistanis want scenario 3 or 7 but does India agree...
Indians want scenario 3 but do Pakistanis agree...

Pointless thread....

 

[ejaz007]

So what do pakistani force do at baluchistan and other areas when stones come ?

This type of stupid question was asked by some one else and I have answered before in the thread. Do not try to derail the thread.

Balochistan is not disputed Kashmir is.

 

[ejaz007]

New Delhi not ready to part ways with IHK CM

* Indian home minister Chidambaram says India ready for dialogue, doing all it can for return to normalcy

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: Though the Congress-led Indian government does not want to disturb Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) chief minister Omar Abdullah, it is ready to undertake confidence-building measures (CBMs), including an amendment in the draconian Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA), release of political prisoners and allowing peaceful marches.

Though Abdullah is stated to have himself expressed the desire to quit, the Indian government does not want to come directly in the line of fire. “We will continue to guide the chief minister and issue instructions to him. But the idea of imposing governor’s rule would have repercussions both nationally as well as internationally,” a senior official said.

Agreeing that Omar’s presence does not infuse confidence within Jammu and Kashmir administration and police alike, sources said Indian authorities would use force to the fullest to quell the unrest through the young chief minister. However, despite reservations, New Delhi may finally send an all-party parliamentary delegation to Srinagar to assess the situation first-hand.

Briefing the Congress Working Committee (CWC) meeting on Monday, Home Minister P Chidambaram emphasised the need for dialogue, but said that separatists had developed “cold feet” after the December 2009 attack on Fazl Haq Qureshi.

He said the situation was “worrisome” and the government was doing all in its power to help the return of normalcy.

Armed with statistics of killings and injuries, Chidambaram said the security forces were being placed in a tough situation.

Though the meeting was called to finalise the election of the Congress president, sources said IHK situation dominated the proceedings. They said the members expressed concern at the situation in IHK.

In an advisory to Abdullah, New Delhi has reportedly asked the government to reactivate the civil administration and to bring in senior civil servants from outside, if needed. The Indian government has also asked the state government to facilitate points of contact for people to vent their frustrations. The state government has also been asked to look beyond Srinagar and other towns and focus on rural areas.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[ejaz007]

Four killed in two-day gun battle in IHK

SRINAGAR: An Indian soldier and three Kashmiri youth were killed in a two-day gun battle in Held Kashmir, police said Monday.

An Indian police spokesman claimed that the slain youth belonged to Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, an organisation banned in Pakistan during former president Pervez Musharraf’s regime. India blames the organisation for promoting the freedom struggle in Kashmir. Indian security forces engaged the three gunmen in Rajouri district on Saturday and the encounter only ended in the early hours of Monday morning, police said.

Indian-held Kashmir has been the scene of a bitter insurgency since 1989 that has left more than 47,000 people dead according to an official count.

In the past, the holy fasting month of Ramazan has seen increased violence in Kashmir, as militants believe those who die fighting during the Ramazan period will be specially rewarded. afp

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[Hulk]

How to handle rioting mob does not change if territory is disputed. It is common sense that riots will be dealt with Iron hands. If people having problems does not know how to do peaceful protest then they should not compalin. The problem is not though they really want Independence with India, I feel what they are saying is not what they mean. They are tired of restrictions and presence of force and by Azadi they want to feel free in moving. We should start process of reducing forces and restriction as militancy has come down.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I dont know what these other regions are and how they fare in the overall scheme of things. But my thought would be to use currently available federations to solve the problem of governance. South Asia current and only priority should be to solve governance, education, health and justice/liberty issues. Re-federating, realigning districts, small population exoduses are all not the current priority for South Asia.

re-federating? re-aligning? Where do you read this stuff, or did you come up with this yourself?

and in the VERY hypothetical and unlikely event that such were to unfold, how on earth would that help anything?

The regions you mentioned, if they can all be solved under current federations through effective governance, then great. If not, the need would be to change the ELECTION and GOVERNANCE methods and not letting these regions go independent in the hopes that somehow magically, post-independence these areas would have better rights and governance.

it's obvious that after 6 decades, hindustan should prepare for a Kashmir that is not under her forced and coerced 'influence'

why? because it isn't an ''integral part'' of hindustan...the people through their words and actions are mirroring such sentiment

I can never support creating more problems to solve an existing problems.

allowing people in a disputed territory like Kashmir to determine their own fate would solve a LOT of problems!

Kosovo, former soviet states - no one knows if their governance and rights have improved at all?

those are mostly leadership issues; especially in the case of the CARs. Closed societies with little access to outside world; but no problems with disenfranchised, angry people demaning independence. They already got their independence.

are you a pro soviet?

Today's world is preoccupied with a global economic disaster. Kashmir becoming a separate country is certainly only a blip on the radar.

Kashmir is not an economic issue; it is an existential one.

 

[Xeric]

I dont know what these other regions are and how they fare in the overall scheme of things. But my thought would be to use currently available federations to solve the problem of governance. South Asia current and only priority should be to solve governance, education, health and justice/liberty issues. Re-federating, realigning districts, small population exoduses are all not the current priority for South Asia. The regions you mentioned, if they can all be solved under current federations through effective governance, then great. If not, the need would be to change the ELECTION and GOVERNANCE methods and not letting these regions go independent in the hopes that somehow magically, post-independence these areas would have better rights and governance. That part of the predication is what i am opposed to. I can never support creating more problems to solve an existing problems. Kosovo, former soviet states - no one knows if their governance and rights have improved at all? Also, Hong Kong by re-federating with China has not seen a drop in rights?? So, it is questionable that small, independent districts will be able to govern themselves better and afford more rights for their people. Unless we know for sure the district of Kashmir or whatever it is called can prove conclusively that they are better off being independent of a federation, not a whole lot of people will support its cause. The same thing happened with Tibet. Tibet is not able to prove that it'll be so much better off and will be an asset to the world when NOT under Chinese sovereignty. Today's world is preoccupied with a global economic disaster. Kashmir becoming a separate country is certainly only a blip on the radar.

Are you by any chance a communist..??

Just wondering.