The Fight against PKK Terrorism

[Hurshid Celebi]

Update :

DEMIRTAS and PKK after visiting PKK Diaspora in Brussel :

Thats not a game , we began a war ! We want a Mandela like solution !

Bu çocuk oyuncağı değil; bir savaş başlamış bulunuyor



http://www.haber3.com/demirtas-kck-kararini-acikladi-3516470h.htm#ixzz3i5WtNgHo

 

[Kamil_baku]

Turkey learnt it's lesson way before the Americans did. Otokar Cobra has been cerified to be mine resitant to 7kg of explosives, 152mm shell at most has at most 8kg of explosives with variations of types -2kg .. Whether the steel travels fast enough through the dirt to penetrate Cobra is another matter..

Good clip,
Otokar Cobra Anti tank Mines and IED Tests. | İzlesene.com

Cobra suspension test!
Otokar Cobra STA Süspansiyon ve Govde Dayanım Testi | İzlesene.com

 

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Cobra suspension test!
Otokar Cobra STA Süspansiyon ve Govde Dayanım Testi | İzlesene.com

few more here Off Road Aksesuar’s Videos on Vimeo

 

[atatwolf]

I have a question. Maybe somebody can help me and answer it.

These HDP Kurds during rallies wave the KRG flag which would make sense but why are they waving Israeli, US, British, Russian communist flags?

The combination of different flags they are using doesn't make sense. They are waving every flag other than the Turkish flag. I think they are waving these foreign flags in Turkey to make a sign to say "if you invade Turkey, we will be on your side." I don't have an other explanation of their psychology.

 

[NL_Turk]

I have a question. Maybe somebody can help me and answer it.

These HDP Kurds during rallies wave the KRG flag which would make sense but why are they waving Israeli, US, British, Russian communist flags?

The combination of different flags they are using doesn't make sense. They are waving every flag other than the Turkish flag. I think they are waving these foreign flags in Turkey to make a sign to say "if you invade Turkey, we will be on your side." I don't have an other explanation of their psychology.

Maybe a symbolic stance against islamic extremism since those countries are actively fighting it unlike erdogan the thief?

 

[Kamil_baku]

I dont really understand how come Turkey let those kurds to through stone, to ask corruption and treat to kill businessmen? You give too much democracy to them.. i think, you can easily identify Kurds in facebook. I checked one who commented pro pkk, and i found many of her friends with PKK, SUruc and Kobani pictures on profile.. just track and kill them.. they would hide like "rats"..

 

[Bismarck]

Update :

DEMIRTAS and PKK after visiting PKK Diaspora in Brussel :

Thats not a game , we began a war ! We want a Mandela like solution !

Bu çocuk oyuncağı değil; bir savaş başlamış bulunuyor



http://www.haber3.com/demirtas-kck-kararini-acikladi-3516470h.htm#ixzz3i5WtNgHo

Strange. In an ZDF interview he said, he has no contact to pkk.

 

[xenon54 out]

Strange. In an ZDF interview he said, he has no contact to pkk.

His brother is in pkk and he doesnt even deny it, so what do you think?

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Lieber Freund. We cannot trust them . They learned Taqqiya from GÜLEN as I wrote you yesterday. There are no Turkish schools in Germany. But Gülens Koran internats. They blinded and lied to German officials and academicians.

 

[Solomon2]

Turkey and Its Kurds: At War Again
by Burak Bekdil
The Gatestone Institute
August 6, 2015

Even President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's critics praised him when, after 40,000 lives lost in a bloody conflict, he bravely launched a difficult process that would finally bring peace to a country that suffered much from ethnic strife. His government would negotiate peace with the Kurds and grant them broad cultural and political rights, which his predecessors did not. The Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), the Kurds' armed group, would finally say farewell to arms. Erdogan (and the Kurdish leaders) would then be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

But now Turkey is in flames again; the country smells of death. Dozens of members of the security forces, as well as civilians, have been killed in clashes in just the two weeks after an Islamic State suicide bomber murdered 32 pro-Kurdish activists in a small Turkish town on the Syrian border on July 20. Several hundred people were injured and more than a thousand were detained by the police.

Turkey's cities are again a battleground in the nearly century-old Turkish-Kurdish dispute.​

Turkish cities have once again become a battleground in an almost century-old Turkish-Kurdish dispute: Kurdish militants attack security forces on a daily basis, while the Turkish military buries its fallen soldiers and strikes Kurdish guerrilla camps in northern Iraq.

What happened to the Turkish-Kurdish ceasefire and the prospect of sustainable peace?

There are three main reasons why all the effort of the last few years has gone into the political wasteland:

Erdogan's obsession with Islam(ism)

Speaking at a conference in Jakarta on July 31, Erdogan unsurprisingly said: "We have only one concern. It is Islam, Islam and Islam. It is impossible for us to accept the overshadowing of Islam."

Erdogan (mis)calculated that he could use Islam as a glue keeping Turks and Kurds in unity.​

In the same vein, Erdogan's prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu said in a 2014 interview: "In Turkey's periphery you cannot explain anything without the religion factor."

Erdogan (mis)calculated that he could successfully use Islam as a glue keeping Muslim Turks and Muslim Kurds in unity. Why should they be fighting? After all, they are both Sunni Muslims. He thought he could convince the Kurds to surrender their arms and live happily ever after with their Turkish Muslim brothers. For a historic end to the conflict, Islam had to take a central role. Erdogan would therefore restructure Turkey along multi-ethnic lines but a greater role for Islam would be the cement keeping the nation united. Once again, Erdogan, an Islamist, relied too much on religion in resolving what is essentially an ethnic (not religious) conflict.

A dishonest negotiator

Erdogan was not an honest negotiator from the beginning. His counterparts in the PKK leadership were smart enough not to trust him. They agreed to a ceasefire in 2013, but have never really buried their arms since then, thinking that they would one day need them. Erdogan's real intention was to keep the PKK inactive, away from bombings and other acts of terror, and therefore minimize the risk of losing votes as the masses turn angry at his government in the face of the tragic loss of human life. Prolonged negotiations with the Kurds would give him enough peaceful time to win one local election (March 2014), one presidential election (August 2014) and one parliamentary election (June 2015). If afterwards there is peace, that would be fine. If not, the Kurds could go to hell, with the next election scheduled for 2019. In other words, he pretended to negotiate in order to buy time and delay any renewed wave of violence.

An unbridgeable gap

It is true that Erdogan's governments granted Turkey's Kurds far more than any other Turkish government did in the past. In 2009, the state broadcaster launched the country's first TV channel in Kurdish. A new electoral law allowed, for the first time, campaigning in Kurdish. Universities and private courses could now teach the Kurdish language. The use of letters like q, w, x, which are necessary for Kurdish Romanization, would no longer be prohibited. Kurdish also would be allowed in courtrooms and at prisons when families visited inmates (previously the language was forbidden).

Erdogan granted Turkey's Kurds far more than any government in the past.​

All of that was nice, but not enough to win Kurdish sympathies for peace. The Kurds simply wanted autonomy in Turkey's southeast, where they are in the majority. They wanted to have their own police force, elected governors and budgetary control. They wanted two more things: Official (constitutional) recognition of their ethnicity as co-founders of the Turkish Republic; and the introduction of Kurdish language in school curricula.

Erdogan accurately calculated that granting the Kurds relatively minor rights would keep them his loyal voters, and away from arms. He knew that the Kurds would want more. But he also knew that granting the Kurds what they actually want would be political suicide in a notoriously nationalist country. Even to this day, the Kurdish demands remain a taboo for most Turks. Speaking of Kurdish education in schools or Kurdish ethnic identity as part of the constitution could earn anyone a nasty label: Traitor!

But Kurds have more self-confidence today than a decade or two ago. Their next of kin in Iraq have a functioning autonomous administration that is waiting for the right time officially to split from the central government in Baghdad. Syrian Kurds are trying to unite a Kurdish strip of cantons along the Turkish border. The PKK has proven that it did not lose its firepower during the ceasefire.

And more importantly, the Kurdish vote in Turkey has dramatically risen from a mere 5.24% of the total in 2007 (cast for independent candidates) to 13.1% in 2015, when the Peoples' Democratic Party overcame the 10% threshold needed to enter parliament, the first Kurdish party to do so. Today, in another first, the Kurds have exactly the same number of seats (80) in the Turkish parliament as the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP).

Erdogan's "Kurdish gambit" worked, to a certain extent, when the ceasefire helped him maintain his popularity. Now, it seems, it's payback time.

Burak Bekdil, based in Ankara, is a columnist for the Turkish daily Hürriyet and a fellow at the Middle East Forum.​

Solomon2 comment: Sorry, guys, but you can't say that B.B. is anti-Turk or lying when you promote his articles when they appear in Turkish defense journals! I can only conclude that multiple editors across the political spectrum consider him a reputable - even patriotic - writer.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Solomon2. Who knows maybe you are Burak and me RTE

Still Turkish Forces make a severe fault. Waiting and acting. They must be active hunting and shooting the terrorists.
Otherwise with pure defence no victory is possible

Ağrı'da bir uzman çavuş şehit
07/08/2015 - Yusuf İBA/DOĞUBAYAZIT (Ağrı), (DHA)

Ağrı’nın Doğubayazıt ile Van’ın Çaldıran ilçelerini birbirine bağlayan karayolunda araçları yakan PKK’lı teröristler, çatışma sırasında 1 uzman çavuşu şehit etti, İranlı otobüs muavinini öldürdü, 3 İranlıyı da yaraladı. Teröristlerin etkisiz hale getirilmesi için Tendürek Dağı’nda helikopter destekli operasyon başlatıldı.
PKK’lı teröristler, Doğubayazıt - Çaldıran karayoluna bugün saat 11.30’da Çetenli Köyü Sonkaya mevkiinde kesti ve araçları durdurdu. Sürücülere bir süre bölücü propaganda yapan teröristler, ulaşıma kapattıkları yolda 3 TIR ile 2 kamyonu ateşe verdi.

 

[atatwolf]

Burek Bokdil. Favorite author of anybody who dislikes Turks. After glancing over his name I didn't read one word further.

 

[Bismarck]

Lieber Freund. We cannot trust them . They learned Taqqiya from GÜLEN as I wrote you yesterday. There are no Turkish schools in Germany. But Gülens Koran internats. They blinded and lied to German officials and academicians.

What is Taqqiya? Btw, it were turkish schools. From Turks to Turks. As far as the Gülen movement is turkish!

 

[Solomon2]

Dispatches
Michael J. Totten

Turkey's Big Con
4 August 2015

The Turkish government is finally allowing the United States to use Incirlik Air Base, just 70 miles from the Syrian border, to launch air strikes over ISIS-held territory—but only if American air power is not used to support Kurdish militias.

The United States, at this late date, is not really interested in helping anyone in Syria aside from the Kurds. All other factions fighting ISIS and the bankrupt Assad regime are Sunni Arab Islamists.

The Kurds are the only American option. But Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will only allow American planes taking off from Incirlik to provide air cover for the so-called Army of Conquest, an Islamist movement backed by the Turks and the Qataris.

Most Americans have never even heard of the Army of Conquest, and even fewer would like it. It’s an umbrella organization that includes the Al Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front. It’s preferable to ISIS, yes, but using American air power to cover an Al Qaeda advance is never going to happen. The US has already bombed Al Qaeda positions in Syria and almost certainly will again.

Turkey just can’t stand to see an autonomous Kurdish region take shape along its border in Northern Syria. It’s understandable up to a point. The Syrian Kurdish militias are aligned with the Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK), a former Soviet proxy that has waged a thirty years-long war against the Turkish state.

Turkey could make peace with the Kurds. They’re the easiest people in the entire Middle East to make friends with. Americans and even Israelis have pulled it off practically by default. But Erdogan, like every other Turkish leader before him, just can’t face up to the fact that they’ve been treating the Kurds—who make up as much as 25 percent of Turkey’s population—like second-class citizens or worse since Mustafa Kemal Atatürk founded the modern republic in the ashes of World War I. He can’t face up to the fact that Ankara is as much to blame for this long-simmering conflict as the quasi-Marxist PKK.

If every reasonable Kurdish grievance were finally addressed, support for the PKK would evaporate for the same reason support for similar organizations evaporated almost everywhere else in the world after the collapse of the Soviet Union. But Erdogan isn’t interested in anything aside from digging his heels in, even if it means an Islamist organization with Al Qaeda among its ranks takes control of northern Syria.

You might think Turkey, by opening Incirlik Air Base, is finally coming around on the war against ISIS, but only if you squint and squint hard.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

What is Taqqiya? Btw, it were turkish schools. From Turks to Turks. As far as the Gülen movement is turkish!

@Bismarck i never before heard about them.
Integration: Türkische Schulen in Deutschland? Gibt es längst! - DIE WELT
But despite misinformation from- Die WELT- only one "EU supported and EU projected - Special Dialogue Gymnasium in Cologne"
Almanya'da ismiyle müsemma bir kolej
No more !

Takiya - Takiya: Täuschung, Verschleierung und Blendwerk im Islam

Takiya: Täuschung, Verschleierung und Blendwerk im Islam | kopten ohne grenzen

@Bismarck Easy explanation :

Tat und Wahrheit einfach „muslimische Täuschung der Ungläubigen” bedeutet. Laut dem verbindlichen arabischen Text “Al-Taqiyya fi Al-Islam” ist ” Takya von grundsätzlicher Bedeutung im Islam. Fast jede islamische Sekte stimmt mit dieser Taktik überein und praktiziert sie

@Bismarck Gülen is living in Pensylvania near CIA HQ. His Schools are forbidden in Russia and Turkish speaking Republics. They are CIA schools