The Fight against PKK Terrorism

[Glass]

he ypg can now easily attack turkey and take Kurdish majority cities with all their 100k+ forces and hold them until our forces get organized and can prepare a counter attack (which will take a couple months)


that would be the best case scenario from a turkish pov. That is a real casus belli. Furthermore there are thousands of soldiers on the border to syria so not as easy as u want it to have lol.

 

[lurker9000]

Reported for PKK Propaganda.

Sir, what about my post is considered "PKK propaganda"?
Edit:
You took a part of my post and took it completely out of context. Bravo

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Reported for PKK Propaganda.

are u learning censorship from erdo

that's to a far level, quit crying so much and let people post as they like. It won't change anything on the field. JUST A FORUM.

 

[Glass]

An attack towards turkey again is the best case scenario. Mind u that the PKKs strength in syria comes from the USAF and not from themselfs they are just a bunch of rag tag militas not any different then the FSA/SAA. No there are enough soldiers which can withhold an invasion lol enough time to get the tuaf c130,160,cn235 and a400m ready to deploy like tens of thousands of troops. I believe that ur just a kurd who is shitting himself because afrin about to get liberated lol

 

[OguzSenturk]

are u learning censorship from erdo

that's to a far level, quit crying so much and let people post as they like. It won't change anything on the field. JUST A FORUM.

PKK Propaganda is against the forum rules. Btw, reported for flaming and trolling.

 

[Glass]

@OguzSenturk

let this lurker kurd give his opinion.

@lurker9000 it is nice that u found this place now have a look at these threads.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/altay-mbt-aht-pso-program-updates-discussions.211194/page-195

^this is what u will face in the coming future. here also very nice https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turkish-aviation-programs-updates-discussions.62985/page-109

they are slowly getting into serial production and they will be tested out on the PKK there is no turning back.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turkish-missile-torpedo-programs-updates-discussions.60968/page-246

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turkish-land-vehicle-programs-updates-discussions.48976/page-168

 

[OguzSenturk]

let this lurker kurd give his opinion.

YPG doesn't even has 100k+ force, even if they had 200k force they still cannot attack and occupy any city from southeast Turkey. So ;

PKK Propaganda.

 

[Glass]

i know but i want to remind him that even his 200k force will be anhiliated

 

[xenon54 out]

I believe that our air force would definitely help us if such a scenario would unfold but they have The number advantage until reinforcements arrive. They are no match for our armed forces but... don't underestimate them. They have received and seized a lot of weapons. Helicopters would be rendered useless since they have aa man pads, grad missiles could bomb our airbases and Milan antitank missiles would shred our tanks apart since we don't have any era armor on them. They have mechanized units and even armoured ones. It's about time we realize this threat and take action possibly with Russia and Iran. And no I'm not "just a Kurd" I'm actually a Dutchman and ethnically Turkish.

Dude whatever you smoke cut it, you make it sound as if it was a walk in the park, ypg wont even come closer than 30 km to the Turkish border if shit hits the fan.

 

[lurker9000]

YPG doesn't even has 100k+ force, even if they had 200k force they still cannot attack and occupy any city from southeast Turkey. So ;

PKK Propaganda.

https://www.google.nl/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN16R1QS

 

[TheCamelGuy]

https://www.google.nl/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN16R1QS

In the end it's true what some said, it's important to take into account that YPG has received the most intense US air support than any other ground force.

I've been following CJTF-OIR reports, not daily anymore. When you look at today's CJTF-OIR reports whilst the large Mosul offensive has been ongoing you will find that the YPG receives CAS/air support on a smaller unit level, meaning they actually pave the way for them whereas for other forces (Mosul example) they limit their strikes to larger targets that affect the allied forces on a higher level.

For example today's report. The number of strikes refers to the amount of separate engagements they decided to take. Whilst in Mosul they strik many with 3 strikes they focused on larger targets, whereas in Raqqah the intensity of engagements is far higher. Basically means paving the road for them to capture the city, this is not just today this has been the case for years. The amount of air support Kurdish units receive exceeds that of other units by far.

http://www.inherentresolve.mil/Portals/14/Documents/Strike Releases/2017/07July/20170705 Strike release.pdf?ver=2017-07-05-071424-433

In Syria, Coalition military forces conducted 33 strikes consisting of 35 engagements against ISIS targets.
Near Dayr Az Zawr, six strikes engaged an ISIS tactical unit and destroyed 11 oil storage tanks, nine oil trucks, six oil stills, six oil separator tanks and a command and control node.
Near Raqqah, 27 strikes engaged 19 ISIS tactical units; and destroyed 17 fighting positions, three tactical vehicles, a vehicle, two heavy machine guns, a mortar system, a weapons cache, a command and control node, a VBIED facility, and a VBIED.

In Iraq, Coalition military forces conducted four strikes consisting of 72 engagements against ISIS targets.
Near Al Huwayjah, one strike engaged an ISIS tactical unit and destroyed a fighting position.
Near Mosul, three strikes engaged two ISIS tactical units; destroyed 33 fighting positions, two rocket-propelled grenade systems, and a front-end loader; damaged five fighting positions and a command and control node; and suppressed a mortar team.

Without this intense airpower they wouldn't be as effective, they aren't the most effective anti IS fighting force out there as many in the media have been claiming. Before this air support IS was pushing them back steadily. That's not the case in Iraq where a collapse caused a complete loss of all the land. Kurds have been overhyped when it comes to their effectiveness in war, it's hard to reverse that in the eyes of the public.

 

[blondeturkish]

So what's The solution for this never ending fight?

A, non stop bombing of pkk forces and establishing good border control.

B, reducing their local support by increasing The police force, by investing in Kurdish majority area's so there are enough available jobs, checkpoints and a propaganda war against them.

C, trace their weapons origin and totally block them from gaining any more weapons. Infiltrate their ranks and find out valuable information. Carry on assassinations against their leaders. Cut their incomes and pressurize them with cutting electricity and water.

D. All of The above.

Guys it's not about akp, CHP or MHP it's about a very serious national effort against these bastards before they get too big. Fact: The ypg can now easily attack turkey and take Kurdish majority cities with all their 100k+ forces and hold them until our forces get organized and can prepare a counter attack (which will take a couple months)

its about akp. if pkk ypg is strong today. they became strong in their watchful eyes.

 

[-SINAN-]

Can you elaborate you're solution? I'm pretty sure we have been doing cross border operations in The form of air strikes for months now without any major result. If we kill 10 of them today 20 more will be recruited into their ranks tomorrow. We need people with vision and ambition to tackle this problem. And The problem isn't just pkk. It's a united kurdish fighting force.

Cross-border operation means, taking your troops across the border to Northern Iraq. Encircling their encampments, killing every one inside camp and caves. Stay at the camp like 1-2 months. Conduct combing operation, for hidden cashes, and the terrorists that hid themselves. Kill them too. Then return back and prepare to hit next camp. This method has been used by Osman Pamukoğlu back in 93 and inflicted heavy damage on PKK.

We have no problem to kill PKK in our border but unless we root out their nests in Northern Iraq. This will continue.

I believe that our air force would definitely help us if such a scenario would unfold but they have The number advantage until reinforcements arrive. They are no match for our armed forces but... don't underestimate them. They have received and seized a lot of weapons. Helicopters would be rendered useless since they have aa man pads, grad missiles could bomb our airbases and Milan antitank missiles would shred our tanks apart since we don't have any era armor on them. They have mechanized units and even armoured ones. It's about time we realize this threat and take action possibly with Russia and Iran. And no I'm not "just a Kurd" I'm actually a Dutchman and ethnically Turkish.

If you believe that a 100k militia (not to mention many of them forcefully conscripted peasants, girls, grandmas and grandpas) can defeat NATO's second strongest army....

I mean even Armenia has more weapon in it's arsenal....do you think anyone that have manpads, ATGMs, and rockets can defeat Turkey in a war ???? That's really weird way of thinking.

 

[lurker9000]

Cross-border operation means, taking your troops across the border to Northern Iraq. Encircling their encampments, killing every one inside camp and caves. Stay at the camp like 1-2 months. Conduct combing operation, for hidden cashes, and the terrorists that hid themselves. Kill them too. Then return back and prepare to hit next camp. This method has been used by Osman Pamukoğlu back in 93 and inflicted heavy damage on PKK.

We have no problem to kill PKK in our border but unless we root out their nests in Northern Iraq. This will continue.

Interesting, I'm assuming a small airborne operation is launched to get to The camps. But staying 1-2 months in a hostile territory behind enemy lines isn't possible nowadays.

I agree, we do need to root out their nests in Iraq. But it's just impossible to do so right now. YPG who controls The area is hostile to us and American leadership doesn't want our troops in their proxy's lands.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Cross-border operation means, taking your troops across the border to Northern Iraq. Encircling their encampments, killing every one inside camp and caves. Stay at the camp like 1-2 months. Conduct combing operation, for hidden cashes, and the terrorists that hid themselves. Kill them too. Then return back and prepare to hit next camp. This method has been used by Osman Pamukoğlu back in 93 and inflicted heavy damage on PKK.

We have no problem to kill PKK in our border but unless we root out their nests in Northern Iraq. This will continue.

Where do you start and where do you end?

You seem to think that Qandil and northern mountainous area's are the only locations with PKK presence. All of the KRG is safe operational space for the PKK, hence their presence in Kerkuk which lies far south from Qandil.