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The fiction of the Ideology of Pakistan: YLH

We had a discussion about research work done on Jinnah exactly 2 years ago (on Dec 3 2016) and you said that:

"clearly you have never had the rounds of places(or have a personal relationship or convergence of views with the author) like QaU, NDU and KU where both young men and women have and still do research on the subject"


I asked you to post the research work done on Jinnah by those young men and women from QaU, NDU and KU etc. but you didn't ...

Now YLH is claiming that:

On the Higher Education Commission’s data base, one finds two PhD theses on Jinnah, one discussing his leadership skills and the other his brief time as the Governor General of Pakistan. Both are quite mediocre, badly researched and based on literature review of only a piddling subsection of the biographies on Mr Jinnah. It would seem that PhD on Jinnah is unofficially banned in Pakistan.

Please post the research work of those young men and women and prove YLH wrong.
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Please look up MA Afzal’s public works.
Regarding the purported quote Please refresh my memory by posting the actual content and context of the quote since my life doesn’t revolve around PDF nor do I remember discussions after 24 hours.
As for YLH, he doesn’t prove anything I need to disprove. That too is incumbent upon me valuing his input which I don’t nor do I care for valuation of my input.
All I know is that his beliefs and his sponsors drive his concocted and repetitive tripe against Pakistan which I frankly consider trash.
 
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Regarding the purported quote Please refresh my memory by posting the actual content and context of the quote since my life doesn’t revolve around PDF nor do I remember discussions after 24 hours.

Link to that thread already posted ... "Dec 03 2016"

You have got a poor memory if you forget discussions after 24 hours. I remember almost each and everything I have discussed here

No one's life revolves around PDF of course, But someone with over 30,000 posts under his name shouldn't say such things

Yes, you are free to consider it "trash" or whatever you want, you are entitled to your opinion. But I was interested in counter-arguments and counter-facts which no one is willing to bring forward
 
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No sect claims a false prophethood.

No sect claims other Muslims are Kafir (misguidence is a part of Ijma discourse). If they do, they're considered under the Takfeer paradigm and consequently rejected by the authentic scholars of Islam.

No sect refuses to pray Janaza of fellow Muslims.

No sect refuses to marry fellow Muslims.

Now sect refuses to be buried in Muslim graveyard or allow other Muslims to be buried there.

No sect has altered or substituted Sahih Ahadith.

No sect Considers mutual nikkah as null and void.

ONLY fitna of Qadiyaniat does all of the above.

You can defend Qadiyanis out of some misplaced sense of self righteousness, but their religion is indefensible. You can't defend Qadiyaniat on even logic, let alone according to Shariah.

Bhutto didn't declare them Kafir.

1: Mirza Qadiyani declared Bhutto a Kaafir before Bhutto was even born.

2: The declaration was passed by an undivided majority of representatives, thus it reflects the will of the people.

3: The declaration was a result of the scholarly debate lasting over a decade.

4: Qadiyani's citizen rights are intact so there is no persecution. They fired the first shot.

5: Qadiyani Moolahs have failed to make amnends, therefore there's no liability upon us to make amnends.


Zionists say the same about Palestine
India says the same about Kashmir




Almost every sect of Muslims considers other sects as misguided
You want me to post Fatwas by the founders of Barelvi, Deobandi and Wahhabi sects declaring each other kafir ? Or Fatwas by Shia leaders ?
Why single out Mirza Ghulam Ahmed then ?

Ahmedis were declared Non Muslim by Bhutto to appease Mullahs .. That decision was politically motivated
 
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We had a discussion about research work done on Jinnah exactly 2 years ago (on Dec 3 2016) and you said that:

"clearly you have never had the rounds of places(or have a personal relationship or convergence of views with the author) like QaU, NDU and KU where both young men and women have and still do research on the subject"


I asked you to post the research work done on Jinnah by those young men and women from QaU, NDU and KU etc. but you didn't ...

Now YLH is claiming that:

On the Higher Education Commission’s data base, one finds two PhD theses on Jinnah, one discussing his leadership skills and the other his brief time as the Governor General of Pakistan. Both are quite mediocre, badly researched and based on literature review of only a piddling subsection of the biographies on Mr Jinnah. It would seem that PhD on Jinnah is unofficially banned in Pakistan.

Please post the research work of those young men and women and prove YLH wrong.
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The HEC database does not have certain publications that is otherwise available on IEEE listed through my university and others as well.
So if HEC isn’t even able to list IEEE publications then it isn’t a reliable source.

As for disproving YLH, I think the referred post already laid the main context of why YLH is simply not someone who opinions are valued enough to actually spend time disputing.

While it can be regarded as shoot the messenger, in this case the merit for shooting the messenger for me outweighs the merit for any constructive argument on the message itself.

Leaving that idea that a sold out weasel like YLH would be bothered to do a basic google search to find such articles:
“Chair on Quaid-i-Azam and Freedom Movement, National Institute of Pakistan Studies, Quaid-i-Azam University, 1994”
 
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Simple explanation is:

A Qadiyani calling the Nazriya e Pakistan a work of "fiction" is a conflict of interest in letter and spirit.

The Qadiyani project was launched by the British empire to divide and rule. The hatred and enmity of Islam runs in the DNA and through the Qadiyani finance machine.


The HEC database does not have certain publications that is otherwise available on IEEE listed through my university and others as well.
So if HEC isn’t even able to list IEEE publications then it isn’t a reliable source.

As for disproving YLH, I think the referred post already laid the main context of why YLH is simply not someone who opinions are valued enough to actually spend time disputing.

While it can be regarded as shoot the messenger, in this case the merit for shooting the messenger for me outweighs the merit for any constructive argument on the message itself.
 
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Simple explanation is:

A Qadiyani talking about Nazriya e Pakistan is a conflict of interest in letter and spirit.

The Qadiyani project was launched by the British empire to divide and rule. The hatred and enmity of Islam runs in the DNA and through the Qadiyani finance machine.
Even his beleifs are irrelevant to the fact that he his entire educational and “employment” history points overseas.

His attempts to disguise strawman arguments in eloquent speech are ample evidence enough on why he is just a less brash(and disgusting) Marvi Sirmed.
 
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Pakistan a hundred years from now will have to make decisions based on its interest
Sometimes I think in 1,000 years in Pakistan they will be -

  • talking of Two Nation Theory
  • why partition
  • why Pakistan exists
Think of Saudia Arabia. Ever wondered what is "Saudia Arabia kya Matlab"? What is their nation theory? Well, the clue lies in the prefix "Saudia". The only reason KSA exists and it's "matlab' is a guy called Inb Saud was a power hungry person who wanted to be a king. Rest is history. Suffice to his ambition was achieved and he got to name a country.

Most countries exist on shear chance or some quirk of history. Non have some logic or science behind them. For instance had the British not been greedy there would have been no India today. I could just as well say "India kya Matlab? British Sahib".

What really matters is the present and how the state delivers to its citizens. If it delivers it will be a success. Take Singapore. It is a plastic entity not larger then a city. It is made up of Chinese, Indian migrants [ hindoo] and native Malay minority [Muslim]. Yet it is a thundering success. On the other hand Somalia which is almost all one ethnic group - Somali's is a bloody mess.
 
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After 71 years ago still questioning about ideology.Who the Psychopath is that???
 
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All Ahmadis should leave Pakistan to save their lives. Our future does not belong in Pakistan anymore, whatever emotions I had for Pakistan has been dying over the years but reading this thread has definitely hit the nail in the coffin for me. There is no hope for Pakistan anymore. Enjoy your sectarian murderers and Khadim Rizvis. Even the so called educated people openly spreading false propaganda against Ahmadis.
 
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All Ahmadis should leave Pakistan to save their lives. Our future does not belong in Pakistan anymore, whatever emotions I had for Pakistan has been dying over the years but reading this thread has definitely hit the nail in the coffin for me. There is no hope for Pakistan anymore. Enjoy your sectarian murderers and Khadim Rizvis. Even the so called educated people openly spreading false propaganda against Ahmadis.

As an ex-PM famously said in another context: "What's stopping them?". Leave.
 
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As an ex-PM famously said in another context: "What's stopping them?". Leave.

I don't think everyone has $$$ to uproot their family. Most Ahmadis gone abroad had some savings otherwise the poor ones are stuck in asylum centers in some Asian countries.
 
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The real question is where Pakistan should be headed, now that its existence is firm and permanent.

Why not Just let nature take its course?

Pakistan is heading wherever her People take it.

#DealWithIt
 
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Allah day Hawalay.

All Ahmadis should leave Pakistan to save their lives. Our future does not belong in Pakistan anymore, whatever emotions I had for Pakistan has been dying over the years but reading this thread has definitely hit the nail in the coffin for me. There is no hope for Pakistan anymore. Enjoy your sectarian murderers and Khadim Rizvis. Even the so called educated people openly spreading false propaganda against Ahmadis.
 
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