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THE FALL OF OTTOMAN EMPIRE & LONGING
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It is quite sad we lose the greatest history of Ottoman Empire over thousand years rule the world, we shall be back !
Why so sympathy for the "sick man of Europe"?
I know most of my Turkish friends on PDF would probably disagree with me on this strongly but I sincerely believe that the fall of the Ottoman Empire was probably the worst thing that happened to us Muslims in a long..long time. It had become decadent, corrupt and dysfunctional but you don't throw away one's parent when they're weak, unhealthy and in need of us the most. We should have fought for its preservation and reformation so that it could again echo its glorious past !
I respect Mr.Ataturk a lot...a lot ! I don't for a moment doubt his sincerity to the Turkish Nation but I'd love to ask him one day that he had at his disposal the chance to reform the Caliphate for the better, to root out hypocrisy and bigotry from Islam, to put an end to the poisons of nepotism, decadence and corruption that had crippled us Muslims and yet he choose address all the things that had tarnished the name of Islam by targeting 'Islam' instead ! Why...? Oh why...? I'd love to ask him whether he'd do the same thing all over again or would he approach this differently ! But then again I'd love to ask Jinnah as well whether he still thinks that wasting away his life, his health, his marriage and his love, for the Muslims of India was all worth it when his Pakistanis have reduced 'His Pakistan' to this level ! Damn...my head hurts !
Why so sympathy for the "sick man of Europe"?
The ottomans dug their own grave by not modernizing and entering the first world war.
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Why do not you talk about the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR)? Her era started in 1922 and ended in 1991. On the other had, the ottoman empire`s era was between 1299 to 1922. Who is the sick man? Even not comparable, is it King Solomon?
If the Europe is so willing to name a country as sick, then they had better start themselves. I do not want to delve into the history but I just want to remind that the actual sick countries were in the Europe and eve today there is a lot of sick countries in the Europe. Allies of European countries could not do anything against the Ottomans almost 3 centuries. But I do not remember none of them was called sick man of Europe. This shows how they were so miserable and pathetic.
Every country has some bad and weak times in their time. So stop your nonsense and if you wish to call someone as a sick, start with USSR and other European countries.
Good attempt at derailing the topic. A usual tactic of Islamist fanatics when they run out of arguments.
I won't offend any Turkish members here by comparing USSR, Russian Empire or Russia for that matter with Turkey/Ottoman Empire.