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Alright then, will do after Israel :lol:
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What has Israel to do with this debate? Let the citizens of Israel worry about Israel. What concern is it of Pakistanis what they decide? Their geopolitical situation is unique to them, just like Pakistan's situation in unique to it, as it is for every country in the world. Who is dying by the tens of thousands and facing an eminent existential threat and failing to come up with an effective solution?
 
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Above photo of flogging IS from Saudi Arabia. I couldn't find the recent picture. This could be a few years old:
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its not the regular police. That's the Mutaween. See the red sleeve. This is the religious police that is distinct from the regular police.
 
Masoomana sa sawal: How does one separate religion from state? Like in Pakistan what practical steps could be taken to achieve this utopia? Im not talking about amending the constitution as that doesnt seem to play any role in the governance and the society! or maybe amend it but how to implement and what to implement? Secularism is just a word which soothes some people maybe!

Let's be clear rather than sarcastic: separating religion from state will not lead to utopia, but it does have the potential to set right the course that is presently leading Pakistan on the path to increasing mayhem. It will take decades more to improve what we have destroyed in the last few decades.
 
Yep, definitely a difference in moral calculus here - that is, a sharp difference in reasoning between what's moral and what is not.

It is canny being lectured about morality from a nation that rebelled against Allah. Charge sheet against your nation is high as Mt. Uhud!

A few of your crimes:

-Allah honoured you above all nations and sent Messengers (As’salaamu Alayhum) amongst you, yet you killed some and rejected others.
-Allah sent food from the heavens and you weren’t satisfied.
-You killed one and another and yet Allah forgave you.
-Allah gave 12 wells for each one and yet you transgressed.
-Allah sent Musa (As’salaam) and saved you from Firoun and parted the sea before your eyes and yet you made a golden calf and resorted to disbelief.
-You took Uzair as your lord who made what is haram-halaal and halaal-haram.

"In Truth He sent down to you 'The Book,' which confirmed those which proceed it: For Hu has sent down the Torah, the Gospel, aforetime, as man's Guidance; and now Hu has sent down the Furqan." Qur'an, (Surah 3:3)

And yet you question me!
 
It is canny being lectured about morality from a nation that rebelled against Allah. Charge sheet against your nation is high as Mt. Uhud!

A few of your crimes:

-Allah honoured you above all nations and sent Messengers (As’salaamu Alayhum) amongst you, yet you killed some and rejected others.
-Allah sent food from the heavens and you weren’t satisfied.
-You killed one and another and yet Allah forgave you.
-Allah gave 12 wells for each one and yet you transgressed.
-Allah sent Musa (As’salaam) and saved you from Firoun and parted the sea before your eyes and yet you made a golden calf and resorted to disbelief.
-You took Uzair as your lord who made what is haram-halaal and halaal-haram.

"In Truth He sent down to you 'The Book,' which confirmed those which proceed it: For Hu has sent down the Torah, the Gospel, aforetime, as man's Guidance; and now Hu has sent down the Furqan." Qur'an, (Surah 3:3)

And yet you question me!
Try not to bring theology and religious stories into these matters - it will get you nowhere, since the Jews will have their own version and the Christians their own versions and you'll end up in a debate about which religion is true.

You don't even need to go into religion to have a charge sheet against Israel. Their list of violations of international law is long enough.

But you don't even need to have a charge sheet against Israel to challenge @Solomon2 's assertions - you can simply do it on the basis that he hasn't presented any rationale for his claims of moral superiority to us. Therefore they are empty, worthless claims.
 
What has Israel to do with this debate? Let the citizens of Israel worry about Israel. What concern is it of Pakistanis what they decide? Their geopolitical situation is unique to them, just like Pakistan's situation in unique to it, as it is for every country in the world. Who is dying by the tens of thousands and facing an eminent existential threat and failing to come up with an effective solution?
Why not?when every tom ,dick and Harry could jump upon as and teach us of their moral superiority? Why not?
We as a nation are well aware of our problems.Sorry to say but religion was never adopted by Pakistani government rather than it was only labelled as "Islamic republic", for rest incidents or events, religion card was only used to safe guard American interests:Our elders thought that they are preventing Russian threat ,but the fact was that we were helping out of two players win.
So,religion was never applied for real or else we won't be experiencing problems like that.The major cause of all current problem was corruption, disloyalty ,foreign insurgencies and tribal warfare.There was never Islam in there,it was just labelled to distract us.Remember, the sugar analogy I gave you people last time?
If you want everything in correct order then:
-Let N.A.B hang these morons for once and for all which are not paying taxes. A country in which 300+ died in Karachi in last three fasts and your pathetic ministers were not ready to switch off their A.Cs for 5minutes to honor those 300+ in their senates and were arguing even on this, then how on earth will you expect things to work?where is Islam here?
I ask you that goon raja rental was allowed to get away with billions of corruption, then where was Islam there?
Those terrorists so caught in zarb e azb had bar codes upon their thighs and the one killed in airport attack was found with western tattoo :
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Where the hell is Islam here?
Please stop whining that Pakistan has such such problems because Islam was made part of it,albeit it was never applied.
I tell you,it doesn't matter as if you remove Islamic from republic of Pakistan, b/c it was always abused.
We only practiced Islam in 1965 when we were at war.It was Quran and Islam that taught us to stand up against our enemies because it says to believe in Allah.Allah gave us strength and courage.
We used Islam when a young man with patriotism returned back to Pakistan to teach us of nuclear technology.That was Islam,we followed teachings and it was never labelled as Islamic actions but labelled it when abused? :lol:
Allah teach us for not to worship any other besides him.Ever wondered it's meaning? It means to avoid your nafs at individual level so that we become a wonderful citizen,it teaches us to stand against our enemies fearlessly and make policies for betterment of our state and interests. Islam teaches us to develop our own banking system.It suggests us to start our own business and to prefer import -export business (read sahasatta).what is so wrong with it?I tell you if it was applied for real then there would be no such troubles. Even though at individual level, Islam has such a strong effect when it says "La-ilaha illalah",if we really understand it for real then nobody will try to do corruption because we will be practicing to worship Allah alone who prevents us for not to make your "nafs" your god and to worship him alone.
Regards
 
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Why not?when every tom ,dick and Harry could jump upon as and teach us of their moral superiority? Why not?
We as a nation are well aware of our problems.Sorry to say but religion was never adopted by Pakistani government rather than it was only labelled as "Islamic republic", for rest incidents or events, religion card was only used to safe guard American interests:Our elders thought that they are preventing Russian threat ,but the fact was that we were helping out of two players win.
So,religion was never applied for real or else we won't be experiencing problems like that.The major cause of all current problem was corruption, disloyalty ,foreign insurgencies and tribal warfare.There was never Islam in there,it was just labelled to distract us.Remember, the sugar analogy I gave you people last time?
If you want everything in correct order then:
-Let N.A.B hang these morons for once and for all which are not paying taxes. A country in which 300+ died in Karachi in last three fasts and your pathetic ministers were not ready to switch off their A.Cs for 5minutes to honor those 300+ in their senates and were arguing even on this, then how on earth will you expect things to work?where is Islam here?
I ask you that goon raja rental was allowed to get away with billions of corruption, then where was Islam there?
Those terrorists so caught in zarb e azb had bar codes upon their thighs and the one killed in airport attack was found with western tattoo :
bw1.png


Where the hell is Islam here?
Please stop whining that Pakistan has such such problems because Islam was made part of it,albeit it was never applied.
I tell you,it doesn't matter as if you remove Islamic from republic of Pakistan, b/c it was always abused.
We only practiced Islam in 1965 when we were at war.It was Quran and Islam that taught us to stand up against our enemies because it says to believe in Allah.Allah gave us strength and courage.
We used Islam when a young man with patriotism returned back to Pakistan to teach us of nuclear technology.That was Islam,we followed teachings and it was never labelled as Islamic actions but labelled it when abused? :lol:
Allah teach us for not to worship any other besides him.Ever wondered it's meaning? It means to avoid your nafs at individual level so that we become a wonderful citizen,it teaches us to stand against our enemies fearlessly and make policies for betterment of our state and interests. Islam teaches us to develop our own banking system.It suggests us to start our own business and to prefer import -export business (read sahasatta).what is so wrong with it?I tell you if it was applied for real then there would be no such troubles. Even though at individual level, Islam has such a strong effect when it says "La-ilaha illalah",if we really understand it for real then nobody will try to do corruption because we will be practicing to worship Allah alone who prevents us for not to make your "nafs" your god and to worship him alone.
Regards
Tell me whether Islam is there in all 57 islamic countries or not ? I just want to know that.

It is canny being lectured about morality from a nation that rebelled against Allah. Charge sheet against your nation is high as Mt. Uhud!

A few of your crimes:

-Allah honoured you above all nations and sent Messengers (As’salaamu Alayhum) amongst you, yet you killed some and rejected others.
-Allah sent food from the heavens and you weren’t satisfied.
-You killed one and another and yet Allah forgave you.
-Allah gave 12 wells for each one and yet you transgressed.
-Allah sent Musa (As’salaam) and saved you from Firoun and parted the sea before your eyes and yet you made a golden calf and resorted to disbelief.
-You took Uzair as your lord who made what is haram-halaal and halaal-haram.

"In Truth He sent down to you 'The Book,' which confirmed those which proceed it: For Hu has sent down the Torah, the Gospel, aforetime, as man's Guidance; and now Hu has sent down the Furqan." Qur'an, (Surah 3:3)

And yet you question me!
That is what you believe. Allah may send food for you from heaven, but not for me.
 
Tell me whether Islam is there in all 57 islamic countries or not ? I just want to know that.


That is what you believe. Allah may send food for you from heaven, but not for me.
Excuse me.Who are you?
 
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Excuse me.Who are you?
That is not what I asked. I want to know that whether there is any true islamic country where Islam is present or not. Tell me whether Islam is there in all 57 islamic countries or not ? I just want to know that.
 
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That is not what I asked. I want to know that whether there is any true islamic country where Islam is present or not. Tell me whether Islam is there in all 57 islamic countries or not ? I just want to know that.
You have internet.Go ahead and research on your own.
 
So you dont have any answer. I thought you know the answer since since you are posting so much about " where is Islam here or in Tattoos etc. "
Oh please,go away and play your typical internet "I win ,you loose" type so called KG-2 mentality somewhere else.
Typical strategy to jump up to derail and distract conversation.
 

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