The end of the deal, hopes, delusions and treasons

[mohsen]

Very detailed and informative article. know more about north Korean JCPOA!

استراتژی توسعه موشکی ایران در گفت‌وگو با دکتر پیروز ،‌استاد روابط بین‌الملل دانشگاه تهران
برای زندگی کردن در صلح مجبوریم آماده جنگ باشیم /
سرپرست تیم مذاکره کننده آمریکا گفت کره شمالی "کاملاً" به تهعدات خود پایبند بوده است!

 

[mohsen]

advancement, by Rohani's definition:
یک سوم دانشمندان هسته ای رفتنی شدند!
of course our scientists are lying too, or maybe they are uneducated (Bi-savad)!

 

[mohsen]

though there are people who are trying to complete and prove their treason!

هدف آمريکا از گره زدن قانون مبارزه با پولشويي و تروريسم با رفع تحريم ها چيست؟
FATF ابزار کارآمد آمريکا براي تحريم هوشمند سپاه

اگر خیانت نیست پس چیست!؟

 

[HAIDER]

Americans do not use SWIFT they have their own system I think called American Bank code something like that.

America do use SWIFT code dealing with foreign countries bank .

 

[somebozo]

America do use SWIFT code dealing with foreign countries bank .

Not all banks..and its not necessary...in Saudi for example making transactions from SAMBA or SAIB (these banks have shares held by American banks) it is cheaper to use the American system rather than swift.

 

[HAIDER]

Not all banks..and its not necessary...in Saudi for example making transactions from SAMBA or SAIB (these banks have shares held by American banks) it is cheaper to use the American system rather than swift.

Swift Code for World’s Largest Economies

1. United States
2. China
3. Japan
4. Germany
5. France
6. United Kingdom
7. Brazil
8. Russia
9. Italy
10. India
11. Canada
12. Australia
13. Spain
14. South Korea
15. Mexico
16. Indonesia
17. Turkey
18. Netherlands
19. Saudi Arabia
20. Switzerland
21. Argentina
22. Sweden
23. Nigeria
24. Poland
25. Norway
26. Belgium
27. Venezuela
28. Austria
29. Thailand
30. United Arab Emirates

 

[Aramagedon]

advancement, by Rohani's definition:
یک سوم دانشمندان هسته ای رفتنی شدند!
of course our scientists are lying too, or maybe they are uneducated (Bi-savad)!

باید خون گریه کرد اقا محسن. این خبرها واقعا ناراحتم میکنه. گاهی اوقات ترجیح میدم تا مدت ها اخبار رو تو اینترنت چک نکنم...

ما تقریبا از اومدن روحانی هیچ دستاورد اقتصادی و غیر اقتصادی خاصی نداشتیم... چی میشد اگه به جای 51% , 49% رای میاورد... ای بابا

چقدر ضعیف شدیم. چقدر ملخ خورا و تورک ها واسه ما شاخ و شونه میکشن.

ای کاش قالیباف یا ولایتی برنده میشدن. کاش اصولگرا ها متحد بودن.

ما وارد عصر قاجاری های جمهوری اسلامی شدیم. نه به تندی احمدی نژاد نه به خنگولی روحانی.

 

[Desertfalcon]

i was merely being informative , obama promised to "talk to iran" "before his presidency" ends and he did indeed

with the next white president things are gonna look rather drastically different for iran

...depending on who wins the presidential election, as well as which party controls our Senate. If Sen. Clinton wins, she will maintain the agreement. If Mr. Trump wins, with a conservative GOP Senate, they will immediately scrap the agreement with Iran, as they have repeatedly promised.

Btw, the next president is guaranteed to be white for sure, but will probably be a woman, so there's that...

 

[mohsen]

...depending on who wins the presidential election, as well as which party controls our Senate. If Sen. Clinton wins, she will maintain the agreement. If Mr. Trump wins, with a conservative GOP Senate, they will immediately scrap the agreement with Iran, as they have repeatedly promised.

Btw, the next president is guaranteed to be white for sure, but will probably be a woman, so there's that...

So far Americans have ignored their obligations (while Iran has fulfilled it), so I don't think even Trump would scrap this win-lose deal.

 

[Desertfalcon]

So far Americans have ignored their obligations (while Iran has fulfilled it), so I don't think even Trump would scrap this win-lose deal.

They are ignored because the deal was shoved down the throats of Americans by the very undemocratic way it was accomplished by President Obama. It is overwhelmingly opposed by the American people by a two-to-one margin and the Senate has been livid that Mr. Obama used "hook-and-crook" methods to keep the deal from being framed as a treaty, constitutionally requiring Senate approval. It should have never been made to begin with. As for Trump, as long as the conservative party maintains it's Senate majority if he wins, the deal will be immediately scrapped, as promised.

 

[mohsen]

They are ignored because the deal was shoved down the throats of Americans by the very undemocratic way it was accomplished by President Obama. It is overwhelmingly opposed by the American people by a two-to-one margin and the Senate has been livid that Mr. Obama used "hook-and-crook" methods to keep the deal from being framed as a treaty, constitutionally requiring Senate approval. It should have never been made to begin with. As for Trump, as long as the conservative party maintains it's Senate majority if he wins, the deal will be immediately scrapped, as promised.

No, that wont happen, even trump changed his "scrap" strategy to "enforce"!
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/No-Trump-plan-yet-to-prevent-a-nuclear-Iran-senior-aide-says-456085

certainly Mr Obama couldn't shout that this deal is just a hoax to fool certain stupid Iranian who would actually believe that Hypocrite U.S (democrat or Republican) would stick to any of its commitments.

the following article predicts all of the possibilities and it applies to Demarcates too:
How a Republican president could kill the Iran deal
for instance:

It’s possible the Iranians will have been accused of violating the deal by the time a new president takes office

that article has published on 15.7.2015

and that baseless accusation has already happened on 19.6.2016:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/uranium-provides-new-clue-on-irans-past-nuclear-arms-work-1466380760

 

[rmi5]

They are ignored because the deal was shoved down the throats of Americans by the very undemocratic way it was accomplished by President Obama. It is overwhelmingly opposed by the American people by a two-to-one margin and the Senate has been livid that Mr. Obama used "hook-and-crook" methods to keep the deal from being framed as a treaty, constitutionally requiring Senate approval. It should have never been made to begin with. As for Trump, as long as the conservative party maintains it's Senate majority if he wins, the deal will be immediately scrapped, as promised.

I don't understand these bashings against Obama. How come it was undemocratic? As long POTUS obeys constitution, what he does is democratic.

 

[Desertfalcon]

I don't understand these bashings against Obama. How come it was undemocratic? As long POTUS obeys constitution, what he does is democratic.

Because President Obama intentionally decided to pursue deal as an "executive agreement" to avoid the people's representatives in the Senate from approving it, as a normal treat would be constitutionally required to be. He knew full well, that the agreement was overwhelmingly unpopular with the American people.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/12/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-treaty-obama-administration/

 

[rmi5]

Because President Obama intentionally decided to pursue deal as an "executive agreement" to avoid the people's representatives in the Senate from approving it, as a normal treat would be constitutionally required to be. He knew full well, that the agreement was overwhelmingly unpopular with the American people.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/12/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-treaty-obama-administration/

POTUS is also people's representative who is elected in a nationwide election with highest turnout. executive orders are also part of the law and POTUS is free to use them. BTW, overwhelming majority of americans don't even know that Iran is the name of a country, let alone caring about a country located thousands of miles away from US. Majority of people care more about peace, safety, jobs, college tuitions, obamacare, health insurance, their children, drug laws, immigration, ... no matter of what some extremists say, Obama will be remembered as one of the best presidents that this country has ever had.

 

[Desertfalcon]

POTUS is also people's representative who is elected in a nationwide election with highest turnout. executive orders are also part of the law and POTUS is free to use them.

I'm not saying what he did was necessarily illegal, but it was politically unwise. What is a treaty by everything other than by name, should have the approval of the Senate and if possible, at least some bipartisan support. That Mr. Obama intentionally avoided that because he knew how overwhelmingly unpopular the deal is, is why it will likely never stay in force.

BTW, overwhelming majority of americans don't even know that Iran is the name of a country, let alone caring about a country located thousands of miles away from US.

...and yet...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/269667-americans-oppose-iran-nuclear-d

...and...

Yeah, they know. Millions upon millions of American families, have personal connection now with our sons and daughters fighting in the Persian Gulf region for over two decades, starting with the first Gulf War, back in 1990, not to mention the Iranian Hostage Crisis. The region is no longer a stranger to those families and most of the people of the country. They have seen plenty of news stories about Iran's pursuit of nuclear tech and Iran's calls from her leaders for America and Israel's destruction.