The Coming War With Pakistan

[Mercenary]

Are you winning against a bunch of cavemen in Afghanistan

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Pakistan has many reserves of oil, gas, coal, gold, copper, iron that still remains untapped. Pakistan is the 7th nuclear power with the 7th largest pool of scientists and engineers. Pakistan has the largest irrigation system in the world. Pakistan has a booming agriculture sector. The land of Pakistan is so fertile that there is no excuse for any Pakistan to be hungry. The food that grows in Pakistan even feeds the entire population in Afghanistan.

And Pakistan was doing way better when U.S. placed sanctions on Pakistan in the 90's/early 2000's than its doing now.

Yea and thats why you are living in North America

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I don't think that's true, from what I understand Pakistan does have a second strike capability and various methods of delivery. Many sources say Pakistan has the proper structure for a second strike capability.

Also where did you get this time figure of "72" hours from?

Thats the time Musharraf said in one of his interviews that Pakistan needs to fully prepare its nuclear weapons for delivery.

As for Second Strike, that usually occurs from Nuclear weapons mounted on Submarines. Pakistan raised a big issue when India developed a Nuclear power Sub that Pakistan lacks a 2nd strike capability.

 

[Mercenary]

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Mullah with a loud speaker? Educated? I'll ignore that crap.

Everybody has always accepted that Vietnam was a defeat, I don't know of anyone, American or otherwise, who has thought of the Vietnam war as anything other than an American defeat.

As for Korea, yes, the idea was to stop the invasion of south Korea, but moving north of the border showed a shift in the aim from defending South Korea to occupying North Korea. In this the US failed.

A lot of people will argue about 'it was the Chinese who asked for a ceasefire'. The common belief has always been that both sides were exhausted and saw no reason to continue the conflict.

Vietnam was a policy defeat in the sense that US tried to prevent South Vietnam from being taken over by a communist state and failed. It wasn't an American battlefield defeat in the sense US prevailed in every encounter it fought with Viet Cong or NVA.

As for Korea, US over-stretched their supply lines when MacArthur chose to pursue the North Koreans across the 38th parallel and reached the Yalu River when the Chinese forces attacked. The front stabilized near the 38th parallel where both sides fought a battle of attrition. But it was the Chinese and Russians who asked the Americans for a cease-fire as the US was preparing for a major offensive in 1953 when the war ended.

The Chinese and North Koreans had reached a point of exhaustion with the Chinese losing over a 1 million killed vs the 37,000 that Americans were Killed.

 

[A1Kaid]

Yea and thats why you are living in North America

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Thats the time Musharraf said in one of his interviews that Pakistan needs to fully prepare its nuclear weapons for delivery.

As for Second Strike, that usually occurs from Nuclear weapons mounted on Submarines. Pakistan raised a big issue when India developed a Nuclear power Sub that Pakistan lacks a 2nd strike capability.

That is only one method of second strike capability, just because Pakistan doesn't use this method (we don't know for sure), doesn't mean it "lacks" a second strike capability. Other methods revolve around missile silos. I have to disagree with you, the Pakistani Military isn't foolish enough to not have a second strike capability and yet claim first-use nuclear threat. Pakistani military makes mistakes but when it comes to doctrine they are usually solid.

 

[A1Kaid]

Besides I think Musharraf may have been bluffing, no leader would honestly reveal the nuclear preparation time to the public. 72 hours is too long, and to believe there are no nukes that are go-status is something we can't affirmatively dismiss either. Which is good.

 

[kas786]

There's no point for Pakistan to have (as claimed; the fastest growing) nuclear arsenal if it takes 3 days to assemble. I hope that was Musharraf's sense of humour talking.

 

[rohailmalhi]

Yea and thats why you are living in North America

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Thats the time Musharraf said in one of his interviews that Pakistan needs to fully prepare its nuclear weapons for delivery.

As for Second Strike, that usually occurs from Nuclear weapons mounted on Submarines. Pakistan raised a big issue when India developed a Nuclear power Sub that Pakistan lacks a 2nd strike capability.

Funny u ..............U mean to say that india will throw the nuclear reactor of submarine to Pakistan as second stirke option.......
hahahahahaha

Btw u need a submarine not necessarily nuclear sub ...............but Diesel sub can do that task as well.

So there is not point of being afraid of these nuclear subs.............

 

[Jango]

So far we are in total agreement.

You are right in that Taliban ideology has been deeply ingrained into the Afghan mindset and they will always be a potent force in Afghanistan.

But personally don't care if the Taliban come back to Afghanistan. All I care about is if Taliban do come back, what guarantee will there be that country will not again become a host to Al Qaeda bases from which global terrorism plots will be hatched.

Thats all I care about and thats all the West, NATO, ISAF cares about as well.

Taliban never harmed the West. It was Al Qaeda which used Taliban to launch their terrorist attacks.

Well, personally I don't care which Tom, Dick or Harry is in Afghanistan, as long as it does not affect Pakistanis and Pakistan.

As far as their hosting Al Qaeda, yes, that is an issue, but now, things have gotten much further than that.

 

[jamal18]

Vietnam was a policy defeat in the sense that US tried to prevent South Vietnam from being taken over by a communist state and failed. It wasn't an American battlefield defeat in the sense US prevailed in every encounter it fought with Viet Cong or NVA.

As for Korea, US over-stretched their supply lines when MacArthur chose to pursue the North Koreans across the 38th parallel and reached the Yalu River when the Chinese forces attacked. The front stabilized near the 38th parallel where both sides fought a battle of attrition. But it was the Chinese and Russians who asked the Americans for a cease-fire as the US was preparing for a major offensive in 1953 when the war ended.

The Chinese and North Koreans had reached a point of exhaustion with the Chinese losing over a 1 million killed vs the 37,000 that Americans were Killed.

I don't engage in non-stop arguements.

A policy defeat in a war situation is a military defeat. The reason the policy failed is because the military couldn't deliver!

As to why they stopped fighting in Korea, the reason both sides agreed to stop is because both sides wanted to.

A million chinese dead? I find that hard to believe.

 

[bdslph]

Pakistan and nor USA will go to war then it will be Nuclear WW3 end of the WORLD Pakistan will be supported openly by China

there are nuclear armed missiles ready to be launched any time 24/7 365 days a year by USA and Pakistan

 

[J.Tariq]

I have a question! i mean they created the fear of alqaida out of 1st afghan war out of this they created taliban to fight out of they created haqqani network now they are trying to create pakistan as enemy in their public opinion why they are always trying to find excuses to fight a war

 

[Mercenary]

Pakistan and nor USA will go to war then it will be Nuclear WW3 end of the WORLD Pakistan will be supported openly by China

there are nuclear armed missiles ready to be launched any time 24/7 365 days a year by USA and Pakistan

Riiiiight....China will declare a nuclear war on United States over Pakistan

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I don't engage in non-stop arguements.

A policy defeat in a war situation is a military defeat. The reason the policy failed is because the military couldn't deliver!

As to why they stopped fighting in Korea, the reason both sides agreed to stop is because both sides wanted to.

A million chinese dead? I find that hard to believe.

Then it that case, Pakistan lost the 1965 War because their aim was to conquer Kashmir and they failed.

As for a million Chinese dead, read any history book on the Korean War

 

[Ahmad]

i saw the documentary on bbc world and the over whelming majority of it is simply crap.

their so called taliban commanders making the tall claims were mostly hazaras and the one who wasent was speaking farsi. now any one with the slighest knowledge of afghanistan will tell u that hazaras are considered low and as outsiders by the avg afghan, on top of that they are shia and part of the northern allience. so taliban appointing hazaras as commanders who they prosecuted is out of the question.
99% of the northern alliance is made of farsi speakers, karzai being as exception.

the testimony of the attack on the indian embassy was also by hazaras and they painted it like any propaganda story with lines like kids were playing around the embassy and women were walking around the embassy gate.
other people interviewed included amrullah salah, they might have just gone and interviewed the indians.
simply unbelievable this documentary.

Not sure which documentry you are talking about, but if you mean the one which was shown on BBC 2-3 weeks ago, i can tell you there was not a single Hazara Talib(i only watched the first part), they were all Pashtuns with only one Tajik guy among them. Cant understand how you say they were hazaras??

 

[Mav3rick]

USA does not want to impose war on Pakistan, get a grip.

What happened was an accidents just like car crashes.

As for Nuclear Weapons, Pakistan's Nuclear Weapons are De-Mated Nukes with the Nuclear Triggers kept away from the plutonium core and the delivery mechanism. Take out 1 of those 3 things and the Nuke is a Dud or at best a Dirty Bomb. It will take 72 hours to assemble the nuclear weapons, so there is no button someone can press and launch the nukes.

As for wishing a nuclear war on USA, USA has over 10 Nuclear Armed Submarines, 3 Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carriers, and B-52 Bases which have Nuclear Weapons stockpile in Diego Garcia. All of which can impose a devastating nuclear strike on Pakistan in minutes.

So please, get a reality check, read some books and do proper research before posting such nonsense.

Pakistan lacks a second strike capability.

You may consider the martyrdom of 24 Pakistani soldiers to be a mistake, but please answer this:

QUESTION: What would have been the US response and expected public outcry if Pakistan had committed this 'mistake' of killing 24 US Soldiers with all the same details, just reverse the casualties to the US side and tell me your country's expected reaction and retaliation.

As for our Nuclear Weapons, even our prime ministers and presidents have no idea what we possess and in how many places.....no single Pakistani knows how many Nuclear Weapons we have, in what stage, in how many locations and their reaction time from 'ready' order to strike! So we should all leave it at that. However, when I speak of a Nuclear retaliation, I speak of a final punch where Pakistan does not survive but takes out as many Americans as possible around the world. After all, we are being pushed there!

P.S. your Aircraft Carrier battle groups do not scare us, they can be taken out before they become a threat and so can the submarines as well as bases around us. The only real threat comes from ICBM's. Ofcourse, boots on the ground means your massacre in general.

 

[Mav3rick]

Funny u ..............U mean to say that india will throw the nuclear reactor of submarine to Pakistan as second stirke option.......
hahahahahaha

Btw u need a submarine not necessarily nuclear sub ...............but Diesel sub can do that task as well.

So there is not point of being afraid of these nuclear subs.............

I was just about to say the exact same thing that a Nuclear Powered submarine does not necessarily mean it carries Nuclear weapons neither does a Diesel-electric Submarine necessarily mean it carries conventional weapons. Any weapon can be carried by any submarine. Hopefully by this time we have a couple of Nuclear armed subs somewhere very close to continental USA, just to persuade our friends that MAD was on offering if Pakistan gets attacked.

 

[karan.1970]

As for our Nuclear Weapons, even our prime ministers and presidents have no idea what we possess and in how many places

And you seem happy about it.. So basically you are saying that its a pseudo military rule in Pakistan anyway...

However, when I speak of a Nuclear retaliation, I speak of a final punch where Pakistan does not survive but takes out as many Americans as possible around the world. After all, we are being pushed there!

So a hundred thousand odd American soldiers in exchange for a few million Pakistani civilians deaths.. I say you sense of fair exchange is kind of warped...