The Coming War With Pakistan

[Jango]

Whose defeat ? For every NATO soldier KIA, hundreds of talibs die. Dunno how that equates to defeat.

To win a war, you need to have certain objectives which benefit you.

If you achieve those objectives, you win, if you don't , you lose.

Now the US , ISAF, NATO, whatever you want to call it, the objective is clearly not to kill hundred Taliban for one US soldier. The objective is to stabilize Afghanistan, and get control of the Afghan government in the region. Which is clearly not happening.

If killing hundred for one is the objective, then may god help you mate.

 

[Mercenary]

To win a war, you need to have certain objectives which benefit you.

If you achieve those objectives, you win, if you don't , you lose.

Now the US , ISAF, NATO, whatever you want to call it, the objective is clearly not to kill hundred Taliban for one US soldier. The objective is to stabilize Afghanistan, and get control of the Afghan government in the region. Which is clearly not happening.

If killing hundred for one is the objective, then may god help you mate.

What do you want to see happen in Afghanistan?

I mean what is your dream scenario?

 

[Jango]

What do you want to see happen in Afghanistan?

I mean what is your dream scenario?

Well, first of all, it does not matter what my dream scenario is for Afghanistan. Secondly, I was saying to that Chrome Missile guy that hundred for one does not constitute victory.

Now onto your question, my ideal scenario would be that there is peace in Afghanistan, Taliban may or may not exist with their extremist ideology( it is too much ingrained now in this specific region that it cannot be taken out that quickly), but the Taliban should not resort to weapons, a dialogue can be appreciated, or a public mandate. Everybody has their right to their opinion after all. The puppet government goes. US/ISAF etc go out of Afghanistan, and leave the country to it's people. What the people of the country want, they get. Not what some individuals sitting across the Atlantic want.

Leave the country to it's people. Their problem how to run their country. If it affects Pakistan, then we can think of further situations.

 

[Mav3rick]

There is no way any single or even multiple nations can take on the United States in a military conflict. The US forces are miles ahead of the second best...Russia. As for china...well.....

Its best to avoid any conflict with the USA. Its not like we don't have any allies.

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We're way too advanced

Nobody can really argue on the technology that the US possesses but even with all that technology you guys are getting your ***** handed to you by rag tags who are not even armed to take out your Helicopters or Tanks! You can dream severe group rape if these Talibaan were ever to get their hands on weapons that can defeat your armor!

At the end of the day what matters is how many coffins you are willing to lift from this region, I mean if war is imposed on us we would have no control over our coffins and they will be a lot more then yours but yours would still be unbearable......or is Vietnam such forgettable history? This will be a lot worse because unlike Vietnam, Pakistan is a Nuclear armed state with means to deliver them to all your bases within 5k km's. At the end of the day, we can annihilate your forces within our reach which for all practical purposes may extend to continental USA!

 

[Bukhari.syed]

"To destroy a country what you need to do is; create enmity between people and their army." (Sultan Salahudin Ayubi)
It is the same they are trying to do. Long live Pakistan.Long live Armed forces..

 

[mitth]

(Sultan Salahudin Ayubi).... Great man in the history he says about people and army......... valuable comment..
And other country play vital role in the Pakistan....
But Armed forces of Pakistan never Successful this war....
ALLAH save our Country...For live long and our Army........Ameen

 

[Mercenary]

Well, first of all, it does not matter what my dream scenario is for Afghanistan. Secondly, I was saying to that Chrome Missile guy that hundred for one does not constitute victory.

Now onto your question, my ideal scenario would be that there is peace in Afghanistan, Taliban may or may not exist with their extremist ideology( it is too much ingrained now in this specific region that it cannot be taken out that quickly), but the Taliban should not resort to weapons, a dialogue can be appreciated, or a public mandate. Everybody has their right to their opinion after all. The puppet government goes. US/ISAF etc go out of Afghanistan, and leave the country to it's people. What the people of the country want, they get. Not what some individuals sitting across the Atlantic want.

Leave the country to it's people. Their problem how to run their country. If it affects Pakistan, then we can think of further situations.

So far we are in total agreement.

You are right in that Taliban ideology has been deeply ingrained into the Afghan mindset and they will always be a potent force in Afghanistan.

But personally don't care if the Taliban come back to Afghanistan. All I care about is if Taliban do come back, what guarantee will there be that country will not again become a host to Al Qaeda bases from which global terrorism plots will be hatched.

Thats all I care about and thats all the West, NATO, ISAF cares about as well.

Taliban never harmed the West. It was Al Qaeda which used Taliban to launch their terrorist attacks.

 

[Mercenary]

Nobody can really argue on the technology that the US possesses but even with all that technology you guys are getting your ***** handed to you by rag tags who are not even armed to take out your Helicopters or Tanks! You can dream severe group rape if these Talibaan were ever to get their hands on weapons that can defeat your armor!

At the end of the day what matters is how many coffins you are willing to lift from this region, I mean if war is imposed on us we would have no control over our coffins and they will be a lot more then yours but yours would still be unbearable......or is Vietnam such forgettable history? This will be a lot worse because unlike Vietnam, Pakistan is a Nuclear armed state with means to deliver them to all your bases within 5k km's. At the end of the day, we can annihilate your forces within our reach which for all practical purposes may extend to continental USA!

USA does not want to impose war on Pakistan, get a grip.

What happened was an accidents just like car crashes.

As for Nuclear Weapons, Pakistan's Nuclear Weapons are De-Mated Nukes with the Nuclear Triggers kept away from the plutonium core and the delivery mechanism. Take out 1 of those 3 things and the Nuke is a Dud or at best a Dirty Bomb. It will take 72 hours to assemble the nuclear weapons, so there is no button someone can press and launch the nukes.

As for wishing a nuclear war on USA, USA has over 10 Nuclear Armed Submarines, 3 Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carriers, and B-52 Bases which have Nuclear Weapons stockpile in Diego Garcia. All of which can impose a devastating nuclear strike on Pakistan in minutes.

So please, get a reality check, read some books and do proper research before posting such nonsense.

Pakistan lacks a second strike capability.

 

[W.11]

There is no way any single or even multiple nations can take on the United States in a military conflict. The US forces are miles ahead of the second best...Russia. As for china...well.....

Its best to avoid any conflict with the USA. Its not like we don't have any allies.

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We're way too advanced

90% of the stake is one crossing the pacific ocean and atlantic ocean, 10% advantage is your declining so called powerful army

 

[jamal18]

Didn't South Korea survived with American troops there? Didn't South Vietnam survived until after American troops left. Think about it.

The US left Vietnam because it lost. In Korea didn't it attempt to occupy North Korea and failed?
This is despite its massive advantage.

And who is going to finance future wars? You have to understand that this is the end of the American century, you have to adjust your policies to suit.

 

[jamal18]

USA does not want to impose war on Pakistan, get a grip.

What happened was an accidents just like car crashes.

As for Nuclear Weapons, Pakistan's Nuclear Weapons are De-Mated Nukes with the Nuclear Triggers kept away from the plutonium core and the delivery mechanism. Take out 1 of those 3 things and the Nuke is a Dud or at best a Dirty Bomb. It will take 72 hours to assemble the nuclear weapons, so there is no button someone can press and launch the nukes.

As for wishing a nuclear war on USA, USA has over 10 Nuclear Armed Submarines, 3 Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carriers, and B-52 Bases which have Nuclear Weapons stockpile in Diego Garcia. All of which can impose a devastating nuclear strike on Pakistan in minutes.

So please, get a reality check, read some books and do proper research before posting such nonsense.

Pakistan lacks a second strike capability.

I think any Pakistani seeking a nuclear conflict with the US needs his head examined.

Infact anybody taking a nuclear exchange lightly is downright dangerous.

This stuff is good as a deterrent.

 

[Mercenary]

The US left Vietnam because it lost. In Korea didn't it attempt to occupy North Korea and failed?
This is despite its massive advantage.

And who is going to finance future wars? You have to understand that this is the end of the American century, you have to adjust your policies to suit.

US left Vietnam with South Vietnam intact. Infact, South Vietnam defeated the 1972 NVA Easter Offensive which signaled to Washington that finally their policy of Vietnamization had finally worked.

And by 1973, all US troops were gone.

The problem was the Oil Shock of 1973 due to the Arab Oil Embargo after the Arab-Israel War, which caused price of fuel to skyrocket in Vietnam and no more US economic investment in Vietnam which caused the South Vietnamese Economy to collapse and all of this seriously degraded the fighting capability of the South Vietnamese Army.

When North Vietnam launched their 2nd Offensive in 1975, they expected a 2-3 year campaign before they would conquer South Vietnam. The fact that it fell in 2-3 months showed how fast South Vietnam degraded without US support.

As for Korea, US main goal was to stop North Korean advance and throw the Koreans back across 38th parallel. Which it did, after landing at Inchon and encircling the entire North Korean Army. And even when China intervened, it was China which sought peace talks with USA.

So please....your half-baked logic might work for some mullah with a loud speaker but not on an Internet Forum where educated people post.

 

[jamal18]

US left Vietnam with South Vietnam intact. Infact, South Vietnam defeated the 1972 NVA Easter Offensive which signaled to Washington that finally their policy of Vietnamization had finally worked.

And by 1973, all US troops were gone.

The problem was the Oil Shock of 1973 due to the Arab Oil Embargo after the Arab-Israel War, which caused price of fuel to skyrocket in Vietnam and no more US economic investment in Vietnam which caused the South Vietnamese Economy to collapse and all of this seriously degraded the fighting capability of the South Vietnamese Army.

When North Vietnam launched their 2nd Offensive in 1975, they expected a 2-3 year campaign before they would conquer South Vietnam. The fact that it fell in 2-3 months showed how fast South Vietnam degraded without US support.

As for Korea, US main goal was to stop North Korean advance and throw the Koreans back across 38th parallel. Which it did, after landing at Inchon and encircling the entire North Korean Army. And even when China intervened, it was China which sought peace talks with USA.

So please....your half-baked logic might work for some mullah with a loud speaker but not on an Internet Forum where educated people post.

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Mullah with a loud speaker? Educated? I'll ignore that crap.

Everybody has always accepted that Vietnam was a defeat, I don't know of anyone, American or otherwise, who has thought of the Vietnam war as anything other than an American defeat.

As for Korea, yes, the idea was to stop the invasion of south Korea, but moving north of the border showed a shift in the aim from defending South Korea to occupying North Korea. In this the US failed.

A lot of people will argue about 'it was the Chinese who asked for a ceasefire'. The common belief has always been that both sides were exhausted and saw no reason to continue the conflict.

 

[Omar1984]

Well, that's because we WIN.

Are you winning against a bunch of cavemen in Afghanistan

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War with Pakistan, it seems a big joke because US only need economic sanctions against Pakistan to ruin them because Pakistan is not Iran rich in oil and gas.

Pakistan has many reserves of oil, gas, coal, gold, copper, iron that still remains untapped. Pakistan is the 7th nuclear power with the 7th largest pool of scientists and engineers. Pakistan has the largest irrigation system in the world. Pakistan has a booming agriculture sector. The land of Pakistan is so fertile that there is no excuse for any Pakistan to be hungry. The food that grows in Pakistan even feeds the entire population in Afghanistan.

And Pakistan was doing way better when U.S. placed sanctions on Pakistan in the 90's/early 2000's than its doing now.

 

[A1Kaid]

USA does not want to impose war on Pakistan, get a grip.

What happened was an accidents just like car crashes.

As for Nuclear Weapons, Pakistan's Nuclear Weapons are De-Mated Nukes with the Nuclear Triggers kept away from the plutonium core and the delivery mechanism. Take out 1 of those 3 things and the Nuke is a Dud or at best a Dirty Bomb. It will take 72 hours to assemble the nuclear weapons, so there is no button someone can press and launch the nukes.

As for wishing a nuclear war on USA, USA has over 10 Nuclear Armed Submarines, 3 Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carriers, and B-52 Bases which have Nuclear Weapons stockpile in Diego Garcia. All of which can impose a devastating nuclear strike on Pakistan in minutes.

So please, get a reality check, read some books and do proper research before posting such nonsense.

Pakistan lacks a second strike capability.

I don't think that's true, from what I understand Pakistan does have a second strike capability and various methods of delivery. Many sources say Pakistan has the proper structure for a second strike capability.

Also where did you get this time figure of "72" hours from?