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The Clash Within Civilisations: The Sunni-Shiite Divide

Enough of this Buttt ! God knows that we're probably one of the biggest enemies of Islam too ! :angry:

No doubt we are too but we are in the stage of being brainwashed. Who is the one to open Saudi madrasas, support jahil maulwees, start anti-shia and anti-ahmadii elements. Dude i was born in Saudi Arabia, i know who they are. I have met people who look very nice, down to earth, but they give statements about Non-Wahabbis, like you never expected to hear. You can't even lead them to prayers because of your race! You have to be in a separate line where there is at airports according to colour! and most of all our own people's passports are taken away and i witness that they are dying in the sun working long hours sometimes with no pay and living in camps located in the desert,
 
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No doubt we are too but we are in the stage of being brainwashed. Who is the one to open Saudi madrasas, support jahil maulwees, start anti-shia and anti-ahmadii elements. Dude i was born in Saudi Arabia, i know who they are. I have met people who look very nice, down to earth, but they give statements about Non-Wahabbis, like you never expected to hear. You can't even lead them to prayers because of your race! You have to be in a separate line where there is at airports according to colour! and most of all our own people's passports are taken away and i witness that they are dying in the sun working long hours sometimes with no pay and living in camps located in the desert,

Oh come on Buttt I've got family over there surely things can't be that bad...the only thing they seemed to be pissed about is that 'they' still haven't gotten Saudi Nationality despite living there for generations !

I agree the treatment meted out to our workers in the UAE, from what I hear, isn't the best & it infuriates me till no end but we are in need of that not them of us & so I don't think that they can raise their voice that much lest they be kicked out back to Pakistan !

P.S the both of them have been fighting an ideological war within the borders of Pakistan & I blame ourselves for allowing it !
 
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I though it was Khaled Sheikh Muhammad (not sure about his ancestry) was the original mastermind who came up with this project and OBL and his group had the money and manpower, so they provided logistical support. Al Qaeda is a mythical label they put on OBL group to target them and other similar anti-US/Western groups who were open to violence and killing of civilians, no? Please correct me if I am wrong on this.

Khalid Sheikh Muhammed is a Kuwaiti Citizen, he was born there and lived there for his whole life. It was Al-Qaeda who did the 9/11 attacks and this group is compromised of Arabs. The thing i don't understand is, how the heck did OBL go from Sudan to Afghanistan in the first place? I don't think there is a direct flight and GCC is the middle ground LOL.
 
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South Asians should be grateful that GCC countries provide jobs and remittances. Its not the best place, treatment could be better, but it is still better than not having this alternative.

And for situations inside Pakistan or Afghanistan, it is those countries and their leadership that are responsible. Sometimes small countries like Afghanistan become victims of geopolitical football between super powers, but Pakistan being a large enough country has no excuse for deterioration of internal situation. The leadership has only themselves to blame.
 
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South Asians should be grateful that GCC countries provide jobs and remittances. Its not the best place, treatment could be better, but it is still better than not having this alternative.

And for situations inside Pakistan or Afghanistan, it is those countries and their leadership that are responsible. Sometimes small countries like Afghanistan become victims of geopolitical football between super powers, but Pakistan being a large enough country has no excuse for deterioration of internal situation. The leadership has only themselves to blame.

But working outside is not a good thing as some else is taking away your talent. Like the West did to us, GCC is also doing the same. It should be our turn now to take it back, its our right. After my education is complete i will go straight back to my country. You are right leadership in our countries is bad, but how we can make it good, is by not giving up. One cannot wait for someone that will do everything for you. People have to move themselves. to take the initiative. Take Iran for example. After being sanctioned, they have no way but to work domestically. For the same reason, it took them to be leaders in Science and Innovation.
 
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Khalid Sheikh Muhammed is a Kuwaiti Citizen, he was born there and lived there for his whole life. It was Al-Qaeda who did the 9/11 attacks and this group is compromised of Arabs. The thing i don't understand is, how the heck did OBL go from Sudan to Afghanistan in the first place? I don't think there is a direct flight and GCC is the middle ground LOL.

Yes, but it was Taleban in Afghanistan that provided sanctuary for OBL and his group and Taleban could not come to power without help from Pakistan. Pakistan has no direct role, if KSM has no connection to Pakistan, but there is indirect role, because of Taleban's close connection to Pakistan.

But I agree with you that the extremists among GCC Arabs have a big role in this mess that has been created. Without the money behind spreading intolerant ideology this would not happen, but Pakistan leadership should have been a little more careful with this than they have been, because it was perfectly within their power to stop it in time within Pakistan territory and perhaps influence situation within Afghan territory also and not let it go out of hand like it is today.
 
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Oh come on Buttt I've got family over there surely things can't be that bad...the only thing they seemed to be pissed about is that 'they' still haven't gotten Saudi Nationality despite living there for generations !

I agree the treatment meted out to our workers in the UAE, from what I hear, isn't the best & it infuriates me till no end but we are in need of that not them of us & so I don't think that they can raise their voice that much lest they be kicked out back to Pakistan !

P.S the both of them have been fighting an ideological war within the borders of Pakistan & I blame ourselves for allowing it !

I am highly ashamed with your statement and enslaved mentality..You should look into some recent news of what Indonesia and Philipines did when the government did not agree to their demands of better wages, living conditions, background check on employers and their registration..


However much of the labor being treated poorly are Bangledeshis not Pakistanis however being poor is no excuse for inhumane treatment..they are earning rizq halal by working hard and more importantly did not come over for exploitation..this is where Islam becomes separated from those talking about it vs those following it.

And enough with this stupid wahabi nonsense too, no one identifies themselves as wahabi!

Yes, but it was Taleban in Afghanistan that provided sanctuary for OBL and his group and Taleban could not come to power without help from Pakistan. Pakistan has no direct role, if KSM has no connection to Pakistan, but there is indirect role, because of Taleban's close connection to Pakistan.

But I agree with you that the extremists among GCC Arabs have a big role in this mess that has been created. Without the money behind spreading intolerant ideology this would not happen, but Pakistan leadership should have been a little more careful with this than they have been, because it was perfectly within their power to stop it in time within Pakistan territory and perhaps influence situation within Afghan territory also and not let it go out of hand like it is today.

US was not embroiled in a conflict with Talibans, they were sanctioned for sheltering OBL and could have bargained him easily with USA post 9/11 instead Talibans opted for their typical arrogance and now tasting the fruit.
 
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Khalid Sheikh Muhammed is a Kuwaiti Citizen, he was born there and lived there for his whole life. It was Al-Qaeda who did the 9/11 attacks and this group is compromised of Arabs. The thing i don't understand is, how the heck did OBL go from Sudan to Afghanistan in the first place? I don't think there is a direct flight and GCC is the middle ground LOL.

Due to the increasing pressure on Sudan from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the United States, bin Laden was permitted to leave for a country of his choice. He chose to return to Jalalabad, Afghanistan aboard a chartered flight on May 18, 1996 and there forged a close relationship with Mullah Mohammed Omar.[91][92] Despite his ambitions and organizational skills, when bin Laden left Sudan, he and his organization were significantly weakened.[93]
In August 1996, bin Laden declared war against the United States. Despite the assurance of President George H.W. Bush to King Fahd in 1990, that all U.S. forces based in Saudi Arabia would be withdrawn once the Iraqi threat had been dealt with, by 1996 the Americans were still there, citing the continued existence of Saddam's regime (which Bush had chosen not to destroy). Bin Laden's view was that "the 'evils' of the Middle East arose from America's attempt to take over the region and from its support for Israel. Saudi Arabia had been turned into 'an American colony".[94] The fatwā was first published in Al Quds Al Arabi, a London-based newspaper. It was entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."[95] Saudi Arabia is sometimes called "The Land of the Two Holy Mosques" in reference to Mecca and Medina, the two holiest places in Islam. The reference to 'occupation' in the fatwā referred to US forces based in Saudi Arabia for the purpose of controlling air space in Iraq, known as Operation Southern Watch.


May 18, 1996: Sudan Expels Bin Laden; US Fails to Stop His Flight to Afghanistan
After pressure from the US (see March-May 1996), the Sudanese government asks bin Laden to leave the country. He decides to go to Afghanistan. He departs along with many other al-Qaeda members, plus much money and resources. Bin Laden flies to Afghanistan in a C-130 transport plane with an entourage of about 150 men, women, and children, stopping in Doha, Qatar, to refuel, where governmental officials greet him warmly. [LOS ANGELES TIMES, 9/1/2002; COLL, 2004, PP. 325] The US knows in advance that bin Laden is going to Afghanistan, but does nothing to stop him. Sudan’s defense minister Elfatih Erwa later says in an interview, “We warned [the US]. In Sudan, bin Laden and his money were under our control. But we knew that if he went to Afghanistan no one could control him. The US didn’t care; they just didn’t want him in Somalia. It’s crazy.” [WASHINGTON POST, 10/3/2001; VILLAGE VOICE, 10/31/2001] US-al-Qaeda double agent Ali Mohamed handles security during the move. [RALEIGH NEWS AND OBSERVER, 10/21/2001]

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Why was KSM and much of the AQ goons choose to hide in Pakistan??
Because our higher than thou attitude towards our friend where we are willing to break every rule and make exceptions. KSM and a number of good exploited the same weakness to get through..
 
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The Clash Within Civilisations: How The Sunni-Shiite Divide Cleaves The Middle East | The Global Mail

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The Clash Within Civilisations: How The Sunni-Shiite Divide Cleaves The Middle East
By Stephen CrittendenAugust 22, 2012

An undeclared war within Islam is at play in Syria, as popular uprisings get entangled in old religious disputes across the region. In the remaking of the Middle East, it's not just geopolitical, it's religious.

It is almost 20 years since the late Professor Samuel Huntington published his famous Foreign Affairs article, "The Clash of Civilizations?", arguing that cultural and religious differences would be the major source of conflict in the post-Cold War era. Forecasting a looming clash between Islam and the West, and another between China and the West, he wrote: "The fault lines between civilizations will be the battle lines of the future."

But what about the fault lines that emerge within civilisations, and especially within the religious traditions those civilisations are founded upon? There is a dangerous 2,000-kilometre fault line running through the Middle East between Beirut and Bahrain via Damascus and Baghdad, which marks the present line of demarcation between the two main branches of Islam, Sunni and Shiite.

The 1,300-year-old schism between Sunnis and Shiites was caused not by a theological dispute (those came later), but by rival clans in Muhammad's tribe, the Quraysh, squabbling over the succession after his death in 632 AD.

Mostly the "Sunni-Shia Line" lies dormant, and ordinary Sunnis and Shiites live out their separate lives, side-by-side in relative harmony. In Lebanon and Iraq it has not been uncommon for Sunnis and Shiites to intermarry. But the Line is still always there, just below the surface, and it has recently re-emerged as the most significant factor reshaping geopolitical relationships in the Middle East, a region where religion and politics are always inextricably intertwined.

At present, Syria is the key battleground on the Sunni-Shia Line; this began as a popular uprising, but the international news media was late to cotton on that there was a sectarian dimension to the uprising, let alone to the fact that the civil war in Syria was connected — at least in part — to a civil war going on within Islam itself. Instead, journalists tended to frame the uprising solely in terms of the so-called "Arab Spring", the wave of popular uprisings across the Middle East in the past couple of years, which has swept away corrupt, authoritarian and often brutal regimes in the hope — as the slogan chanted by the demonstrators put it — of Huriyyah, Adalah Ijtima'iyah, Karamah (Freedom, Social Justice, Dignity).

But while that is certainly a big part of what has been going on in Syria these past 17 months, it's still only a part of the story.

It doesn't explain why King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia — of all people — supports the opposition movement in Syria, when in March 2011 he sent troops across the border into neighbouring Bahrain to help stamp out a similar uprising there. Nor does it explain what possible interest Al-Qaeda's leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, would have in calling on jihadis to go to Syria to join the fight. (Whatever else they are, the King of Saudi Arabia and Al-Qaeda are no supporters of Huriyyah, Adalah Ijtima'iyah or Karamah.)

Nor does it explain why there has been a rash of high-level Sunni defectors from the Assad regime in recent weeks. Or why Syria's Christians are so nervous about their future if the Assad regime is toppled. Or why the opposition movement has largely failed to attract significant levels of support from the middle classes in Damascus and Aleppo — the very people who swarmed to Cairo's Tahrir Square.

So why has this tension between Sunnis and Shiites resurfaced in the Middle East at this particular moment?

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There are several contributing factors. The first is regional power rivalry, especially between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Shiism has been the state religion of Iran since the time of the 16th century Safavid Dynasty. The Iranians therefore are neither Arab nor Sunni; the Sunni powers of the Middle East, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, want to check Iran's rise as a regional power.

To that end, Turkey recently agreed to allow NATO to install a missile early warning system on Turkish soil (a move that angered the Iranians).

Saudi Arabia has been vocal in expressing its concerns about the prospect of Iran developing a "Shiite" nuclear bomb. Last year, the Saudi prince Turki al-Faisal, a former ambassador to the United States, warned: "We cannot live in a situation where Iran has nuclear weapons and we don't. It's as simple as that."

Meanwhile, the Sunni princes who run the oil-rich Gulf states are also paranoid about Iran stirring unrest among their Shiite populations. Shiites make up 65 to 75 per cent of the population in Bahrain, 20 to 25 per cent in Kuwait, about 10 per cent in the United Arab Emirates, and 10 to 15 per cent in Saudi Arabia (see map). In March 2011, Saudi troops crossed into Bahrain to help put down a popular Shiite uprising, and since then the government of Bahrain has demolished at least 38 Shiite mosques.

Recently, the all-Sunni, all-Arab member states of the Gulf Co-operation Council (GCC) — Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman and the UAE — have been moving towards some kind of political, economic and military union or federation aimed at countering Iranian influence and encircling the Gulf's Shiites in a wider Sunni ocean. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has called on GCC members to consider moving "beyond the stage of cooperation and into the stage of unity in a single entity".

This proposal is due to be discussed at the next GCC meeting in Bahrain in December. In response, the Iranian newspaper Kayhan, the publication of which is supervised by the office of supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, has called for the annexation of Bahrain by Iran.

The second factor contributing to greater tension between Sunnis and Shiites is the increasing global influence of the fundamentalist and puritanical Wahabbi sect that dominates religion in Saudi Arabia and of Sunni jihadist groups including Al Qaeda. The Wahabbis are virulently anti-Shiite. For them the Shiites are rafida, or rejectionists, meaning they rejected the rule of the Sunni Caliphate that Islamist groups including the Muslim Brotherhood hope one day to restore. Saudi schools teach that Shiism is a Jewish heresy, and it is common for Shiites to be referred to as Iranian "fifth columnists". In December 2006, senior Wahhabi cleric Abdul Rahman al-Barrak released a fatwa which has been very influential on subsequent Sunni discourse about Shiites: "The general ruling is that they are infidels, apostates and hypocrites… They are more dangerous than Jews or Christians."

The bottom line is that wherever in the world the missionising influence of Wahhabism is strong, including Malaysia and Indonesia, Shiites are vulnerable to persecution. Where the influence of Sunni jihadist movements is unchecked, Shiites are vulnerable to violent physical attacks. Such attacks are commonplace in Pakistan. In Afghanistan, the Shiite Hazara minority has experienced vicious persecution at the hands of the Taliban.

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Iraq: Processions of Shia Muslim Pilgrims at the Shrine of Imam Hussein, Martyred by the Caliph Yazid in 680 AD

But what really triggered the recent upsurge in Sunni-Shiite tension was the US invasion of Iraq and overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

In the strange mental space that is the Arab Middle East, "Shiite" is regarded as just a synonym for "Persian", and "Arab" means "Sunni". The fact that many Arabs are actually Shiites is difficult to swallow. According to what they perceive as the natural order of things, Sunnis are meant to be on top, even where Shiite Arabs are in the majority, as in Iraq (and Bahrain, and Lebanon where they form the biggest single minority).

The Americans upset this delicate status quo when they orchestrated democratic elections in Iraq, which effectively became the first modern Arab state to be ruled by Shiites.

This was an affront not just to the Sunni minority in Iraq itself, but also to Sunnis across the region. In December 2004, King Abdullah of Jordan was the first to use the term "Shiite crescent", to describe this growing Sunni sense of encirclement.

But then the regional pendulum began to swing the other way thanks to the so-called Arab Spring. So far, Sunni Islamism — especially the Muslim Brotherhood — has been the biggest beneficiary of the Arab Spring.

In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood appears to have mellowed, and to be experimenting with how it might get what it wants by engaging in a democratic political process. Together with the Salifis (Sunni fundamentalists), the Brotherhood won a sizeable majority in the recent parliamentary elections, and the newly elected president of Egypt, Mohammad Morsi, is a Brotherhood apparatchik.

But it would be naïve to imagine that the Brotherhood has abandoned its old program of restoring the Sunni Caliphate. At least, that's not what leading clerics associated with the Brotherhood are telling the crowds in Cairo.

So what is the religious dimension of the civil war in Syria?

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Actually there are two separate religious dimensions to the conflict, one domestic, and the other regional.
Internally, there is the fact that Syria's ruling Assad family belongs to the secretive minority Alawite sect. There are about 2.5 million Alawites in Syria, or 12 per cent of the population, whereas 74 per cent of Syrians are Sunni. The thinking goes like this: if the Shiite majority in Iraq could legitimately rise to power over a Sunni minority that had been used to dominating Iraq, why shouldn't Syria's Sunni majority have the same opportunity?

In at least one respect Shiism is a bit like Protestant Christianity: throughout its history, unlike the Sunni branch of Islam, it kept splintering off into new sects; these included the Ismailis, the Zaidis in Yemen, the Alawites in Syria, the Druze in Lebanon and southern Syria, and, in the 19th century, the Baha'i.

Alawites don't pray five times a day like other Muslims, or fast at Ramadan, or go on pilgrimages. Their beliefs and practices are highly syncretic — that is, they are borrowed from non-Islamic traditions including Phoenician paganism, Neo-Platonism, Gnosticism and Christianity. They celebrate Christmas and Easter, and have a rite that resembles the Mass, during which bread and wine are consecrated to symbolise the body and blood of the murdered first Shiite Imam, Ali, from whom they take their name.

As every Syrian knows, the Alawites have the French to thank for their rise to power. A hundred years ago they were mostly poor peasants, concentrated in a mountainous region in the northwest and despised by their Sunni neighbours. But after World War I, the French colonial administration gave the Alawites their own separate state and heavily recruited them into the army — to keep the troublesome Sunni majority in check.

When the French departed in 1940, the Alawites tried to keep their separate state, but when that failed they found other routes to power — through the secularist Ba'ath Party, which was the only mainstream political party open to Syria's religious minorities, and through the army, which they had taken over from the inside by the time the Ba'ath party came to power in a coup in 1963. Another coup in 1970 brought Hafez al-Assad — father of the current president, Bashar al-Assad — to power.

The key to understanding what we might call the "domestic religious dimension" of the present uprising in Syria is that because the Assad family is Alawite, and most Sunnis regard the Alawites as heretics, many Syrian Sunnis have never accepted them as legitimate rulers. Article 3 of the Syrian constitution says that the president must be a Muslim, and Hafez al-Assad went to the trouble of obtaining fatwas from leading Sunni and Shiite clerics stating that as an Alawite he was an authentic Muslim, but it didn't do him much good. Writing in The Closed Circle: An Interpretation of the Arabs (Phoenix Press, 1989), David Pryce-Jones describes what he calls an "undeclared subterranean civil war" that has been rumbling along ever since, in which Hafez al-Assad "almost lost power and indeed his life, in a lengthening sequence of foiled coups and attempted assassinations, consummating as never before the Alawi-Sunni divide".

The city of Hama, which has been the scene of so much recent fighting, has been a centre of Sunni Islamist opposition to the regime from the very beginning. There was an uprising in the city led by the Muslim Brotherhood in 1964, the year after the secularist Ba'ath Party came to power, and subsequent uprisings in which the local Alawite population was targeted in 1981 and 1982, when the government sent the tanks in, massacring up to 40,000 inhabitants. In 1980, following a terror attack on an army cadet training school in Aleppo, President Hafez al-Assad passed a law making membership of the Muslim Brotherhood a capital offence.

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Lebanon: A Warring Neighbourhood in the Northern Lebanese City of Tripoli, Sunni to the left of the River, Alawite to the Right

So the present sectarian violence between Sunnis and Alawites is nothing new. Of course, many of those fighting now, including those in the Free Syria Army, were not previously involved in resistance to the regime, and are primarily motivated by a desire to rid the country of a brutal dictatorship. But the fact is that the Istanbul-based opposition Syrian National Council is essentially a Muslim Brotherhood front organisation, and a number of the opposition militias fighting on the ground have strong Muslim Brotherhood or Salafist associations — as demonstrated in this piece in the Shiite Hezbollah-aligned Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar.

Recently, as divisions have widened between the Syrian National Council and the Free Syria Army, the Muslim Brotherhood is reported to have put its own separate militia into the field.

From the viewpoint of Sunni Islamist organisations such as the Muslim Brotherhood, the Western powers have always promoted non-Sunnis or non-Arabs in what are rightfully Sunni Arab lands: the Maronite Christians in Lebanon and the Alawites in Syria after World War I, the Jews in Palestine after World War II, and recently the Kurds and Shiites in Iraq. Looked at from this Sunni Islamist perspective, the Arab Spring represents an opportunity to redraw the postcolonial map of the Middle East. For some then, overthrowing the Alawite-led regime in Syria is part of the same struggle as the fight to destroy the state of Israel. Which is more than a little ironic, considering that the Assad regime has always been one of Israel's most committed enemies.

Al-Qaeda and other similar Sunni jihadist groups are also operating in Syria. A shadowy terrorist group calling itself the Al-Nusrah Front has claimed responsibility for a series of major bombings this year in Damascus and Aleppo. In a statement released in May it said: "The blessed operations will continue until the land of Syria is purified from the ***** of the Nusayris [Alawites] and the Sunnis are relieved from their oppression."

But the truth is that although the Assad regime ruthlessly cracked down on the Islamists, it was not anti-Sunni. On the contrary, as Professor Joshua Landis of Oklahoma University argues, "The Assads planned to solve the sectarian problem in Syria by integrating the Alawites into Syria as 'Muslims'. They promoted a secular state and tried to suppress any traditions that smacked of a separate 'Alawite' identity."

And yet the Syrian Islamist uprising, and indeed the regime's own deployment of its Alawite Shabiha death squads, demonstrate that this project has failed in the long run. As Joshua Landis puts it in his blog, Syria Comment: "Older Damascenes used to speak of the Alawites who came to Damascus with the Baathist takeover in the 1960s as muwaffidiin or alien interpolators. Today, they undoubtedly seem more alien than ever."

The bottom line is that if the Assad regime is toppled, there may eventually be an Islamist government in Syria. This is why Syria's Christians are so nervous about the future and why Syria's Melkite Catholics in particular appear to have thrown in their lot with the Assad regime. The Melkite patriarch, Gregorios III, has stated that under the Assads Syria enjoyed "more religious freedom and tolerance than in any other Arab country". At least until very recently this was a basically true statement.

Syria's Christians are especially mindful of how Iraqi Christians were driven from their homes by Sunni fundamentalists after the fall of Saddam Hussein, and already in Syria they have had a taste of the same: in June, the Catholic news agency Fides reported that thousands of Christians had been forced out of the village of Qusayr in the province of Homs, following an ultimatum from the local Syrian opposition militia commander that was broadcast from the minarets of local mosques.

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Isn't there a wider religious dimension to the Syrian conflict — where Syria is the battleground in a proxy war between Shiite Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia?

Syria has been a client state of Shiite Iran since the 1980s. This is why the uprising is supported by most of the region's Sunnis, and why the Assad regime is supported by most of the region's Shiites. In effect, Syria has become the battleground in a proxy war between Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is known to support regime change because he sees it as the best way to weaken Iran.

According to Rodger Shanahan of the Lowy Institute in Sydney, this is also a personal matter for the Saudi King. He has wanted Bashar al-Assad out of power since the 2005 assassination of Lebanon's Sunni prime minister, Rafik Hariri, an event that rocked the Arab world and for which the King holds Assad personally responsible.

It has been fascinating to watch how the predominantly Sunni uprising in Syria has discombobulated both the Lebanese Shiite militant group Hezbollah and the Palestinian movement Hamas. Hezbollah and Hamas have both long been clients of Iran and Syria, with whom they formed the so-called "resistance axis", or al-Muqawama — committed to the destruction of Israel and the defeat of US influence in the Middle East.

But Hamas has always been the odd one out in this jolly company: not only is Hamas Sunni, it is also an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, which has played such a prominent role in the Syrian uprising. In February, Hamas closed down its office in the Syrian capital, Damascus, and relocated to Jordan, an arrangement reportedly brokered by Sunni Qatar.

Meanwhile on the other side of the Sunni-Shia divide, Shiite Hezbollah was also being wrong-footed by events in Syria, but with much less scope than Hamas to recalibrate its regional alliances. Hezbollah has a lot to lose from the fall of the Assad regime, because Iran has been supplying it with arms for years and Syria is the only land conduit between Iran and Lebanon. Hezbollah's secretary general, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, had previously come out in support of the Arab Spring uprisings in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya, but he has stood by the Assad regime despite the fact that it is slaughtering its own citizens. As a result, Hezbollah has been accused of double standards and its image in the Arab world as a champion of the oppressed has been seriously damaged.

Who are the Shabiha and what is the significance of the Houla massacre?

The Bosnian-style massacre in and around Syria's northwestern Sunni village of Houla on Friday 25 May marks the moment when the international news media began to realise there was a sectarian dimension to the Syrian uprising. One hundred and eight people were killed, including 34 women and 49 children, an incident that drew international condemnation of the Assad regime and led to the expulsion of Syrian diplomats from many countries including Australia.

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Bahrain: Shia Muslim Protestors Clash with Riot Police, July 2012

Although Bashar al-Assad vehemently denied responsibility, and there have been competing accounts of what happened, a UN investigation has found that the regime was indeed behind the massacre.
It appears Houla was being used as a base by Sunni opposition forces. The Syrian Army went in together with a gang of thugs known as the Shabiha, drawn from Alawite villages in the surrounding area. Mainly Alawite, the Shabiha ("ghosts" in Arabic) are brutal, Mafia-like enforcement gangs loyal to the Assad family. At least one other massacre, in the village of Tremseh on July 12, appears to have followed the same pattern.

There has also been speculation about why the Assad regime has been engaged in this kind of "ethnic cleansing" of Sunni villages, particularly as it increases the risk of a bloody revenge against Syria's Alawites if the regime does fall. One theory is that the government has been attempting to alter the "facts on the ground" in north-west Syria in preparation for its own inevitable downfall, and that when the time comes the Alawites will continue to fight, backing themselves into the old Alawite heartland originally designated for them by the French, in the hope of breaking Syria apart and recreating a separate Alawite state.

Some commentators, including Professor Joshua Landis of Oklahoma University, say this theory is far-fetched, because a separate Alawite state would not receive international support or have a viable economy. He says Assad is likely to pursue what he calls the "Lebanon option", turning Syria into a swamp of chaotic sects and factions none of whom is powerful enough to seize overall control:

"I have argued that the Alawite region cannot be turned into an independent state," Landis says, "but it does provide Assad and the remnants of the Syrian Army a social base. Just as Lebanon's Maronites did not create an independent state in the Lebanon Mountains, they did use it to deny Muslim forces undivided supremacy over Lebanon."

Could the conflict in Syria yet spill over to become an all-out regional war?

Russia's foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, has been warning all year about the danger of an all-out Sunni-Shiite war in the Middle East. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has been warning about the dangers inherent in a proxy war between Shiite Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia, while Turkey says a regional sectarian war is something it will not permit.

And yet the very ones voicing alarm are also contributing to the danger by supplying arms to the various sides in the Syrian conflict. It has been reported that Russia is supplying the Syrian Government with helicopter gunships, Turkey is supplying weapons to the rebel Syrian National Army, and the CIA is operating in southern Turkey in an "advisory" capacity.

And while it seems unlikely that any of Syria's neighbours would allow themselves to be drawn into cross-border military action, let alone a full-scale invasion, things may change if Syria breaks apart. Syria's recent shooting down of a Turkish fighter plane that had violated its airspace also demonstrates that the concerns about a wider regional war aren't entirely unfounded. After that incident some commentators suggested that Turkey and Syria were already in an undeclared state of war.

If the conflict in Syria were to spread beyond its borders, the two most likely flashpoints are Lebanon and Iraq.

The Lebanese still have fresh memories of the horror of sectarian civil war and all the major political parties, including the Syrian government's Shiite ally Hezbollah, appear determined to prevent Lebanon from being consumed by the conflict next door. In May, the Lebanese Army was called out to deal with an outbreak of sectarian violence between Sunnis and Alawites in the suburbs of Tripoli. However, the violence in Tripoli has escalated in the past week, together with a wave of tit-for-tat kidnappings on either side of the Syria-Lebanon border.

The Lowy Institute's Rodger Shanahan has recently returned from Lebanon and says he was struck by how "apart from the Sunnis, pretty much everyone in Lebanon is furious with Qatar and Saudi Arabia for interfering in Syria's affairs" — and that by doing so they added to the risk that Lebanon will once again be dragged into sectarian conflict.

He says the conflict in Syria will only spill over into Lebanon if there is a failure of strong leadership. "And in Lebanon the Shia, the Christians and the Druze all have strong leaders, but the Lebanese Sunnis lack strong leaders. They have Saad Hariri [former Prime Minister and leader of the Movement of the Future Party, now living in exile], but pretty much everyone has lost patience with him because he's not as strong as his father [Rafik Hariri, assassinated in 2005] was and really isn't up to the job. So if there is any spill over effect in Lebanon, it may come through the Sunnis."

That already appears to be happening. A number of strident Sunni clerics in Lebanon are encouraging the faithful to vent their increasing frustration at the treatment of their co-religionists in Syria.

Then there's the question of how Shiite Hezbollah is likely to react if its sponsors across the border in Syria are toppled. That would weaken Hezbollah, and in the long run might even present an opportunity for its Sunni enemies to try to clear it out of Lebanon.

This couldn't be achieved without enormous bloodshed, but it's been discussed before. In 2010, Wikileaks published a cable revealing that in 2008, in the wake of the assassination of Rafik Hariri and the pointlessly destructive Hezbollah-initiated war with Israel, Saudi Arabia proposed the creation of an Arab force, to be backed by NATO and US air and naval power, that would drive Hezbollah out of Lebanon.

Iraq is likely to prove an even more volatile flashpoint than Lebanon. The US invasion of Iraq has left a permanently disaffected and destabilising Sunni minority, concentrated mainly in the south, and if a Sunni Islamist group such as the Muslim Brotherhood were to come to power next door in Syria, it is likely that Iraq would become even harder to govern. Recent months have seen an increase in terror attacks on Shiite targets as Al-Qaeda seeks to reignite a civil war, and Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has expressed concern at the continuing potential for Iraq to break apart along sectarian lines.

Meanwhile, if Iran were to lose its Syrian ally, it is likely that it would seek to lavish even more of its unwanted attention on Iraq. After months of political turmoil, Iraq’s coalition government, led by Shi’ite prime minister Nouri al-Maliki, an agent of Iranian influence who has been criticised for sidelining Sunni coalition partners, is looking increasingly shaky.

Can you identify in the map which are sunii areas in IRAN, I have heard that Saistan Balochistan, Kerman and hormuzdan are the main Sunni Areas in the east of Iran.
 
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No doubt we are too but we are in the stage of being brainwashed. Who is the one to open Saudi madrasas, support jahil maulwees, start anti-shia and anti-ahmadii elements. Dude i was born in Saudi Arabia, i know who they are. I have met people who look very nice, down to earth, but they give statements about Non-Wahabbis, like you never expected to hear. You can't even lead them to prayers because of your race! You have to be in a separate line where there is at airports according to colour! and most of all our own people's passports are taken away and i witness that they are dying in the sun working long hours sometimes with no pay and living in camps located in the desert,
What a traumatizing experience:cray:
BTW half of it is BS. The imam of masjid alharam the holiest mosque in the world is black.
 
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The title of this thread is wrong, our Islam is ONE civilization and has different sects within it. The last sermon of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) is the greatest human charter of all and according to it, we muslims are one ummah, one civilization.
 
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The title of this thread is wrong, our Islam is ONE civilization and has different sects within it. The last sermon of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) is the greatest human charter of all and according to it, we muslims are one ummah, one civilization.

It was taken from the OP heading. A correction can be "Clash between sects within a civilization".
 
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