The Chattanooga Shootings: Can Attacking Military Sites of a Nation at War be “Terrorism”?

[doppelganger]

Terrorists...

Everyone calls them that...nobody calls them freedom fighters.

You know now what my next question is no sir?

 

[Jango]

You know now what my next question is no sir?

No I do not...please tell.

 

[Oldman1]

Would you call Baloch militants attacking your military installations terrorists or freedom fighters?

He already stated any group.

Would you call Baloch militants attacking your military installations terrorists or freedom fighters?

He did stated all groups whether Muslim or not. But in any case, the theory that Muslims would be deemed as terrorist by the U.S. govt. is flawed since we already portrayed other non-Muslims as terrorists for example Timothy McVeigh. And when the article talks about a white kid shooting at blacks, they deemed it as hate crime instead of terrorism. But if a black man kills whites because of color, well its not a hate crime.

 

[doppelganger]

No I do not...please tell.

Would you call Kashmiri militants attacking our military installations terrorists or freedom fighters?

 

[VCheng]

Man Accused of Plotting Attack Targeting U.S. Service Members in U.K. - NBC News


NEWS
ISIS TERROR
JUL 21 2015, 8:25 AM ET
Man Accused of Plotting Attack Targeting U.S. Service Members in U.K.
by ALEXANDER SMITH

LONDON — A 24-year-old man was accused by British authorities Tuesday of planning a terrorist attack targeting American military personnel in the U.K.

Junead Ahmed Khan is also charged in connection with planning to travel to Syria to join ISIS along with his 22-year-old uncle Shazib Ahmed Khan, the Crown Prosecution Service said in a statement. Both men live in Luton, north of London.

The allegations facing Junead Ahmed Khan of planning an attack relate to the period between May 10 and July 14, officials said.

The travel-related charges refer to August 1, 2014, to May 10, 2014, according to the statement.

They were scheduled to appear in court on Tuesday.

The two men were arrested at two residential addresses on July 14, along with a man in his 30s who was released without charge Monday evening, the Metropolitan Police said in a statement.

"The arrests and searches were part of an ongoing investigation into Islamist-related terrorism," the Met said.

 

[Jango]

Would you call Kashmiri militants attacking our military installations terrorists or freedom fighters?

Firstly, the situation in Kashmir and Balochistan is TOTALLY different. You just cannot compare the two.

Now secondly, terrorists for you, freedom fighters for us.

This again illustrates the dilemma we have and that which I have been pointing out and the OP has hinted at, whose definition do we use for terming a person a terrorist?

Or as Mr Syed Haider said on the first page, whose legal system should we pursue and according to whose laws?

See, it's all subjective. There is nothing as total freedom of opinion or freedom of choice in this world. It's ALWAYS controlled by someone.

 

[VCheng]

See, it's all subjective. There is nothing as total freedom of opinion or freedom of choice in this world. It's ALWAYS controlled by someone.

Of course. That is why nations that work hard in peace to develop the foundations for strength reap the rewards that come with such sustained effort. No nation has a monopoly on this control.

 

[jhungary]

A school is a military installation?

What sick thinking is that?

Actually, that's pretty pathetic.

You could have said Kamra, Faisal, GHQ, Plice Lines Lahore...but it's a school.

I am shocked TBH.

Maybe that's how pathetic we Pakistanis seem like to you.

You see though, your argument (and the OP which is the whole premise of this discussion) does not apply to Pakistan's case. For a couple of reasons.

1- In Pakistan, terrorism's definition is totally different from what the US or the West at large perceives it. The Anti-Terrorism courts in Pakistan also cater to murder cases which have nothing to do with terrorism as you perceive it i.e religious violence.

2- Your definition of terrorism is anything done by a Muslim...
Comparing apples and oranges I believe.

Terrorist attack did not define based on the location, but rather the reason behind said attack.

In the US, to be qualified as Terrorist Attack, the attack have to satisfy the guide line set out from 18 USC

18 U.S.C. § 2331 defines "international terrorism" and "domestic terrorism" for purposes of Chapter 113B of the Code, entitled "Terrorism”:
"International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

• Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
• Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
• Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.*

"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

• Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
• Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
• Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term "federal crime of terrorism" as an offense that:

• Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and
• Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including § 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and § 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).

* FISA defines "international terrorism" in a nearly identical way, replacing "primarily" outside the U.S. with "totally" outside the U.S. 50 U.S.C. § 1801(c).

With respect, sir, terrorist attack does not count toward an act of war, so if a single attack were to design to alter the policy (either foreign and domestic) of the United States, that attack would be called a terrorist attack, but not an act of war.

It is actually quite prejudicial to call the west name terror attack as long as Muslim were behind it, while it would be an act of racial/hate motivated crime. This is entirely untrue

Based on data compiled by the DOJ and FBI, there were 15 attack between 2010 and now (Before this shooting) are classed as Terrorist attack by the FBI of those 15 attacks 10 are committed by white with no Islamic/Muslim connection, 2 by Asian and 4 by Muslim. (1 doubled as white and Muslim convert)

The list of attack and the nature of perpetrator are as follow

2010 Austin Suicide Attacks - White, IRS/Anti-government
2010 Pentagon shooting - White - Anarchist/Anti-Government
2010 Discoveries hostage crisis - Asian (Korean-Japanese) Motive not known
2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - White, white supremacy group
2013 Boston Marathon bombing - White, Extremist Islamic Political group
2013 ricin letters - Unknown Prep, unknown motive
2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting - White, Anti-Government (TSA)
2014 Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting - White, Neo-Nazi, White Supremacy
2014 Las Vegas shootings - White, Anti-Government (Police)
2014 Queens hatchet attack - White, Converted Muslim Extremist
2014 Austin Mexican consulate attack - White, white supremacy
2014 Sony Cyber Attack - Asian (North Korean) Governmental Attack
2014 New York City Police Attack - Black, Muslim/Revenge Attack
2015 Curtis Culwell Center attack - 2 White and 1 Mid-Eastern Muslim/ISIS Related
2015 Charleston Shooting - White, White Supremacy Group

In fact, from 1774 til now, there are about 120 terrorist attack labelled by the FBI and only 39 attacks are carried out by non-white.

And from the group responsible for terrorist attack, Muslim group are ranked number 4 by the data complied from DOJ and FBI, behind White Supremacy, Anti-Government and funny enough, Jewish extremist. The full list are as follow

1. White supremacy (KKK, Neo-Nazi, Aryan Nation type)
2. Anti-Government (Anti-Federacy, Confederacy, Anti-Authority)
3. Jewish Extremism
4. Islamic Extremism
5. Christian Extremism
6. Nationalism (Freedom Fighters from Guam, Puerto Rico, formerly Cuba)
7. Leftist Militant
8. Black Militant
9. Antichrist
10. Others

So the fact to the matter is this, if the attack was aimed to change the policy of the United States government by act of terrorism, then and only then will be called a terror attacks

And the reason why you and most of the people only hear the west (US in particular) calling terrorist when the prep is of middle eastern basis, that's simply because you and most people here and in the world does not closely follow domestic terrorism in the United States, and tell me, how many of those attack I listed between 2010 til now you had heard of?