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This article really pissed me off.....its from the Toronto Star....

Effect of Indian culture 'is undeniable and it's constantly increasing,' Lahore analyst says
Oct 06, 2008 04:30 AM
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Ayesha Akram-Nasir
Special to the Star

LAHORE, Pakistan–Sana Khan is engrossed in preparing for her wedding, planned for mid-December.

She's made the rounds of most designer shops in Lahore, checked out the city's jewellers and has begun a regimen of soothing facials and body massages, guaranteed to make her glow on the big day.

But Khan, 26, who works as an advertising executive and earns about $650 per month, still has to do the most important part of her bridal shopping – a trip to India.

"I am planning to buy at least 50 per cent of my dowry from Delhi and Jaipur," she said, giggling with joy at the prospect of a shopping spree in India. "I may even order my bridal there."

Humaira Khawaja, 27, whose brother recently got married in Lahore, has a word of advice for Khan: one trip may not be enough, since she made three trips to India before her brother's wedding.

"All our clothes came from India," said Khawaja, who works with her father at his carpet factory. "All the clothes we gave the bride were Indian, her jewellery came from India and all of our clothes – meaning my sister, nieces, mother – also came from India."

Her reason for preferring merchandise from across the border is simple: "Their workmanship and design elements are so much better than ours. We are nowhere close to them," she said.

At a time when relations between India and Pakistan have once again soured – with both sides blaming each other for recent terrorist attacks – the Bollywood-ization of Pakistan is continuing at full throttle.

"The effect of Indian society on our culture is undeniable and it's constantly increasing," said Amjad Islam Amjad, a cultural commentator based in Lahore.

"We're so much in awe of them that in every aspect of our culture we bow down to them, whether it's imitating their clothes or dances."

While Indian traditions are peacefully taking over Pakistani culture, the two countries have shared a hostile past. Since the split of 1947, when the British raj dismantled its empire, the neighbours have shared a troubled history. For many years they've remained archrivals and have fought two wars – in 1961 and 1975.

This was followed by the bitter Kargil offensive in 1999 in the ongoing dispute over Kashmir.

"The Kargil offensive completely ruptured relationships between Pakistan and India," said Rasool Baksh Raees, a political analyst and professor at the Lahore University of Management Sciences.

"It has taken us years to mend the situation and the wounds are still fresh."

Since 1999, numerous joint initiatives have taken place including bus travel, cricket matches, joint productions in movies and fashion shows of designers from both countries. All these moves led to an acceleration of the Bollywood-ization of Pakistan.

"Their culture is more developed, stronger and more powerful than ours," said Amjad. "Also, they've marketed themselves so well that it's easy for us to believe they are better."

In Pakistani cinemas, Indian films draw huge audiences while the majority of local productions play to empty or half-filled houses. Bollywood celebrities are so popular in Pakistan, event managers prefer booking Indian actors and models to Pakistani celebrities – even if it means paying them 10 times the price of a local entertainer.

At street stalls, vendors market glass bangles by naming them after popular Indian television shows.

Hajra Hayat, a fashion designer, recently became convinced of the Bollywood-ization of Pakistan when she attended a Holi function during a friend's wedding. Holi is an Indian festival where attendees throw coloured powder.

Recently, the Pakistani elite have begun celebrating Holis as part of their wedding extravaganzas.

"We're definitely awestruck by the Indians, more so now than before, which is a testament to the great job their media is doing in marketing their culture," said Hayat.

"I sometimes get brides asking for an outfit to be made in the same colours as the ones that Ashwariya Rai or Kareena Kapoor wore in a certain Indian film. I never get requests from a bride inspired by a Pakistani actress."

Cultural expert and short-story writer Afra Bukhari says Pakistanis are eager to imitate the Indians because they are progressing at a faster rate than us.

"Their economy is doing better than ours, their political situation is more stable than ours and they are held in greater esteem by the rest of the world," said Bukhari. "We believe imitating them would help us do better too."

But event manager Ayesha Meezan says sometimes the urge to imitate goes too far.

"We often get couples eager to get the Devdas look for their weddings (Devdas is a popular Indian film based on an epic tale of love)," she said. "They're not even willing to consider a theme more indigenous to Pakistan."

But Khan has turned a blind eye to politics and tradition.

"Whatever is going on between the two countries won't affect my decision to go to India to shop, and neither should it."


Link: TheStar.com | World | The Bollywood-ization of Pakistan
 
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boblo


What about this article "pissed you off"?

"I am planning to buy at least 50 per cent of my dowry from Delhi and Jaipur," she said, giggling with joy at the prospect of a shopping spree in India. "I may even order my bridal there."

Humaira Khawaja, 27, whose brother recently got married in Lahore, has a word of advice for Khan: one trip may not be enough, since she made three trips to India before her brother's wedding.

"All our clothes came from India," said Khawaja, who works with her father at his carpet factory. "All the clothes we gave the bride were Indian, her jewellery came from India and all of our clothes – meaning my sister, nieces, mother – also came from India."

Her reason for preferring merchandise from across the border is simple: "Their workmanship and design elements are so much better than ours. We are nowhere close to them," she said.

At a time when relations between India and Pakistan have once again soured – with both sides blaming each other for recent terrorist attacks – the Bollywood-ization of Pakistan is continuing at full throttle.

"The effect of Indian society on our culture is undeniable and it's constantly increasing," said Amjad Islam Amjad, a cultural commentator based in Lahore.

"We're so much in awe of them that in every aspect of our culture we bow down to them, whether it's imitating their clothes or dances."

Is it the hunger of Pakistanis for Indian culture or just plain any culture? or what? Is it quality Indian workmanship?

Their culture is more developed, stronger and more powerful than ours," said Amjad. "Also, they've marketed themselves so well that it's easy for us to believe they are better
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uh oh!

This is an important issue and ought to be discussed openly, critically, honelty amongst Pakistanis and the peoples of the world -- Is it just Pakistan that seems as insecure and devoid of culture??

Is "Islam" not enough as "culture"?? - What's missing?? Why?? What is it that people really want?? Why don't or won't they settle for "islam" as culture??

Not just Pakistan, why is it that "culture" produced in any so call ed "islamic" country has no takers even among so called muslims?? What does it say about the values that drive everyday behaviour?? Why is singing and dancing, and being happy, being free, seemingly, so important to so called muslims, such that they seem to prefer cultures other than what they seem to be getting from within their own societies??

But is this a general trend? or is this a trend in a certain section of society?? Is this section of society what may be seen to be "trend makers"
 
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For many years they've remained archrivals and have fought two wars – in 1961 and 1975.

lolololol, it was 1965 and 1971
 
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boblo


What about this article "pissed you off"?



Is it the hunger of Pakistanis for Indian culture or just plain any culture? or what? Is it quality Indian workmanship?

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uh oh!

This is an important issue and ought to be discussed openly, critically, honelty amongst Pakistanis and the peoples of the world -- Is it just Pakistan that seems as insecure and devoid of culture??

Is "Islam" not enough as "culture"?? - What's missing?? Why?? What is it that people really want?? Why don't or won't they settle for "islam" as culture??

Not just Pakistan, why is it that "culture" produced in any so call ed "islamic" country has no takers even among so called muslims?? What does it say about the values that drive everyday behaviour?? Why is singing and dancing, and being happy, being free, seemingly, so important to so called muslims, such that they seem to prefer cultures other than what they seem to be getting from within their own societies??

But is this a general trend? or is this a trend in a certain section of society?? Is this section of society what may be seen to be "trend makers"

Muse Faith and culture are two different things . Islam can influence the culture but it cant become culture . yes there is a struggle going on in FATA where some people want to force personal faith as a social culture .

In todays world we all are influenced by each other . thanks to the power of communications . lot of Indians are influenced by Western Culture. this give and take is normal and will keep on happening in each society
 
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boblo
uh oh!
This is an important issue and ought to be discussed openly, critically, honelty amongst Pakistanis and the peoples of the world -- Is it just Pakistan that seems as insecure and devoid of culture??

Is "Islam" not enough as "culture"?? - What's missing?? Why?? What is it that people really want?? Why don't or won't they settle for "islam" as culture??
Not just Pakistan, why is it that "culture" produced in any so call ed "islamic" country has no takers even among so called muslims?? What does it say about the values that drive everyday behaviour?? Why is singing and dancing, and being happy, being free, seemingly, so important to so called muslims, such that they seem to prefer cultures other than what they seem to be getting from within their own societies??

But is this a general trend? or is this a trend in a certain section of society?? Is this section of society what may be seen to be "trend makers"

I am just wondering.. Are religion and culture one and the same? Are they replaceable with each other? Why is it that Islam regards religion with culture.. Isnt culture localized to a region? For example, a hindu from Gujarat has a different culture when compared to a hindu from Kerala.. Or for that matter, Muslims and Christians in our area gleefully participate in Hindu festivals like Diwali and Sanskranti.. A hindu or a christian in MAnipur has a different culture when compared to hindu/christian from Orissa.. Even the muslims have different culture(which includes their food habits too).. So, when coming to this topic, The point of discussion has to be Pakistani Culture(Sindhi, Punjabi, Peshawari) and not the religion.. What about the Hindus,Christians and sikhs living in your place for several centuries??

:disagree:
 
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Gentle Indian friends -

Are religion and culture the same thing? Well, let reasonable people decide.

But allow me pose a few more questions:

If religion (Islam) and culture are not the same thing, what are "Islamists" all about???

Why do you think that with incessant suicide bombings and insurrection and rebellion, Pakistanis are still supportive of groups of "real muslims" who fight the Pakistan state??

Why do you think the film industry in Pakistan died?? TV survives because it had govt backing (PTV)

Why, if not for the reason that there is no more distinction between culture and religion?

Why would boblo be pissed off about "free" people freely choosing to identify themselves with Indian culture?? Are these nuts?? Pakistani soldiers face Indian soldiers on the border, while at home the population settles down to watch the boot leg Indian movie DVD -- what's wrong with this picture?? What does this "disconnect" tell us?? The pakistani state says Indian sows mischief to break up the pakistani state, the pakistani people freely choose to travel to India and buy things Indian.

What is it that the people are saying in this behaviour?

As to the "extreme discomfort" of the pakistani about this issue - well, that's why it's important to discuss.
 
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I am just wondering.. Are religion and culture one and the same? Are they replaceable with each other? Why is it that Islam regards religion with culture.. Isnt culture localized to a region? For example, a hindu from Gujarat has a different culture when compared to a hindu from Kerala.. Or for that matter, Muslims and Christians in our area gleefully participate in Hindu festivals like Diwali and Sanskranti.. A hindu or a christian in MAnipur has a different culture when compared to hindu/christian from Orissa.. Even the muslims have different culture(which includes their food habits too).. So, when coming to this topic, The point of discussion has to be Pakistani Culture(Sindhi, Punjabi, Peshawari) and not the religion.. What about the Hindus,Christians and sikhs living in your place for several centuries??

:disagree:
In Pakistan you can't get the good stuff unless its designer this designer that

Anyway the Indian influence is true, especially in Lahore which has always been cultural capital. Whenever I go there, all the ladies of the family and all the household maids they are glued to the television watch Star Plus and its scores of soaps.

The worst time in the life of those ladies? Its when there is a cricket series on and the men take over the remote controls to watch cricket!

Heck have you seen the new dramas of Pakistani television? They are of the same type! Actually I would say that they don't really know any better. Pakistani modern girls of the middle east, the west won't really go about celebrating Holi on their weddings!

I know this girl who hired a wedding planner(wp) and the wp is like setting up a completely filmy wedding and she didn't want none of that. I mean just a dance floor for some good ol fashioned bhangra is what Lahori weddings were all about.

By the way the entire Pakistani wedding is taken from India. I bet it doesn't happen so extravagantly in India that it does in Lahore. The entire concept of Mayo, Mehndi are Indian. I think the Islamic version is just Nikkah and Valima.

Lahoris will take anything, and push it to a whole new level. Why should it piss anyone off? Look what we did to Basant. That was Indian too, but today theres no comparison between Indian Basant and Lahori Basant.
 
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boblo


What about this article "pissed you off"?



Is it the hunger of Pakistanis for Indian culture or just plain any culture? or what? Is it quality Indian workmanship?

."

uh oh!

This is an important issue and ought to be discussed openly, critically, honelty amongst Pakistanis and the peoples of the world -- Is it just Pakistan that seems as insecure and devoid of culture??

Is "Islam" not enough as "culture"?? - What's missing?? Why?? What is it that people really want?? Why don't or won't they settle for "islam" as culture??

Not just Pakistan, why is it that "culture" produced in any so call ed "islamic" country has no takers even among so called muslims?? What does it say about the values that drive everyday behaviour?? Why is singing and dancing, and being happy, being free, seemingly, so important to so called muslims, such that they seem to prefer cultures other than what they seem to be getting from within their own societies??

But is this a general trend? or is this a trend in a certain section of society?? Is this section of society what may be seen to be "trend makers"
Btw, have you seen Arab weddings?

The most boring weddings of all time.

The men are in one hall, the women in the other. Lol no matter how much of a mini-skirt bar hopping girl she must've been, the wedding would be done in that way.

Iranian weddings are wild. They are like Xtian weddings. The bridal dress is the same white dress.

So Islam really isn't a substitute for culture. It was Arab culture, and Arabs are still doing it that way. You would think a simple wedding would be cheaper. But they end up booking two wedding halls! Imagine the crunch on the wallet!
 
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Gentle Indian friends -

Are religion and culture the same thing? Well, let reasonable people decide.

But allow me pose a few more questions:

If religion (Islam) and culture are not the same thing, what are "Islamists" all about???

Why do you think that with incessant suicide bombings and insurrection and rebellion, Pakistanis are still supportive of groups of "real muslims" who fight the Pakistan state??

Why do you think the film industry in Pakistan died?? TV survives because it had govt backing (PTV)

Why, if not for the reason that there is no more distinction between culture and religion?

Why would boblo be pissed off about "free" people freely choosing to identify themselves with Indian culture?? Are these nuts?? Pakistani soldiers face Indian soldiers on the border, while at home the population settles down to watch the boot leg Indian movie DVD -- what's wrong with this picture?? What does this "disconnect" tell us?? The pakistani state says Indian sows mischief to break up the pakistani state, the pakistani people freely choose to travel to India and buy things Indian.

What is it that the people are saying in this behaviour?

As to the "extreme discomfort" of the pakistani about this issue - well, that's why it's important to discuss.

:disagree: Culture and geo politics are different.. B4 WW2, Coco cola was in Germany and it was the chief of Coco Cola in Nazi Germany, who was responsible for bringing in Fanta, which is a quite popular Orangeade.. My argument, is that, Islam tends to over write culture with Religion.. More so when the religion is a state religion.. which is why you see the disconnect.. no one prefers uniformity.. EVeryone is unique with a unique taste.. Monotony will set in if everyone around you is alike.. and you will have a dislike of anything which is associated with the monotony.. Which is why you see that the people prefer to a more varied culture..
 
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OK - fair enough

But how do you explain, since people have a choice, that people in Pakiatan would prefer to identify with "indian" culture??
 
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In Pakistan you can't get the good stuff unless its designer this designer that

Anyway the Indian influence is true, especially in Lahore which has always been cultural capital. Whenever I go there, all the ladies of the family and all the household maids they are glued to the television watch Star Plus and its scores of soaps.

The worst time in the life of those ladies? Its when there is a cricket series on and the men take over the remote controls to watch cricket!

Heck have you seen the new dramas of Pakistani television? They are of the same type! Actually I would say that they don't really know any better. Pakistani modern girls of the middle east, the west won't really go about celebrating Holi on their weddings!

I know this girl who hired a wedding planner(wp) and the wp is like setting up a completely filmy wedding and she didn't want none of that. I mean just a dance floor for some good ol fashioned bhangra is what Lahori weddings were all about.

By the way the entire Pakistani wedding is taken from India. I bet it doesn't happen so extravagantly in India that it does in Lahore. The entire concept of Mayo, Mehndi are Indian. I think the Islamic version is just Nikkah and Valima.

Lahoris will take anything, and push it to a whole new level. Why should it piss anyone off? Look what we did to Basant. That was Indian too, but today theres no comparison between Indian Basant and Lahori Basant.

I would like to point out one example from my region in the country.. Tamilnadu.. here the Sun God is worshipped by the farmers. its like thanking the Sun God for the bountiful Harvest.. Although it can be assumed its a hindu festival, the festival called as Pongal is associated more with the Tamil region and language( In other places, the festival is called by other names) and all people irrespective of religion celebrate it(including christians and muslims) Coz its with the land and the blood of the people here.. When you talk about Basant, dont you think its more associated with the region?? Punjab, LAhore and all that , rather than associating with culture frm across the border?? In British India, where there was no india/pakistan border, wasnt the festival celebrated in harmony? After all, it s just the mark of the spring season and nothing more..
 
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OK - fair enough

But how do you explain, since people have a choice, that people in Pakiatan would prefer to identify with "indian" culture??

see post #9 and # 11. I think I explained it there..
 
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ok.. i didn't read the whole thing.. i have issues reading things that are too long..

excuse me if i am wrong..

I personally think pakistani designer wears/jewelry is much much better than indian. They do have their own style but ours win all the way! Shalwar Kameez at least. :D

Do i see more men in this forum than girls??!!
HAHA oh well you guys enjoy too :yahoo:
 
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People are scared of their culture being run over. Happens all over the world.

Indians feel that the Western or American culture is overtaking the traditional values. French and other Europeans feel the same for American popular culture.

The popular Hollywood/McDonalds culture is a strong force causing many tradionalists to lose sleep over the impending Americam domination of their culture.

But guess what, Americans are also worried that their traditional family values are getting overrun.

No one is safe from this onslaught.
 
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People are scared of their culture being run over. Happens all over the world.

Indians feel that the Western or American culture is overtaking the traditional values. French and other Europeans feel the same for American popular culture.

The popular Hollywood/McDonalds culture is a strong force causing many tradionalists to lose sleep over the impending Americam domination of their culture.

But guess what, Americans are also worried that their traditional family values are getting overrun.

No one is safe from this onslaught.

I would rather you use that people are rightfully scared that their cultures are being over-run.. Happens everywhere and happens all the time, although humans in general are nostalgic about anything and everything and are comfortable when there is no change.. In the end , its Darwin's theory that wins.. People whose culture adapts the new culture to their culture are the ones who survive.. on the same way, the adaptible religion or religion with a stronger will power, survives..
 
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