The biggest corruption scandal in the history of Pakistan ( Reko diq or Karkey pales in comparison). Dr Samar Mubarak was right.

[Patriot forever]

To explain the salient points.

1) This is the generation cost of IPP's. High ROI backed by sovereign state guarantee and capacity payments are separate. The cost easily exceeds Rs30/ kwh before reaching the Discos.

2) Janwars from plmn have been constantly lying that Thar coal is more expensive than imported coal ( Sahiwal coal). All it needed was economy of scale. The reality is thar coal is the cheapest base load apart from hydal or local gas ( which is running out).

3) Not only these imported fuel based IPP's cause significant impact on our Trade deficit ( This year alone it will cost us in ~ $6-10b in precious forex to import fuel to run these plants) but the ROI and the further charges are on top of this in relation to burden on forex.

4) With the economy of scale ( if the power projects utilized thar coal) regasification and diesel production thar coal has the capacity to solve impending gas crisis in Pakistan.

5) Recently some obvious handles were elatic that there was Fuel adjustment surcharge of 4 Rs per unit. Is it not obvious that if we run IPP based on imported fuel, with the broadbase increase in energy prices generation cost will go up. On the other hand Thar coal is completely indigenous source with no fluctuations based on international energy prices.

6) Majority of the cost from Thar coal generation goes into the ecosystem in our own country benefitting our own people creating jobs and improving our own mining industries contributing to GDP.

It is not rocket science to get coal out of ground, that too in thar.

@Zibago @SQ8 @waz @Jungibaaz @Clutch @Imran Khan @PanzerKiel @Windjammer @AZ1 @Signalian @ghazi52 @Sainthood 101 @HRK @araz @Path-Finder @The Eagle @The Eagle @TheDarkKnight @TheSnakeEatingMarkhur @RiazHaq @Vapnope @Valar. @Enigma SIG @Riz @Meengla @Menace2Society @Mav3rick @Aesterix @Goenitz @Blacklight @TNT and everyone else.

 

[SQ8]

Dr Samar for most his points is a very honest person and holds nothing back in person as to how corrupt exactly everyone is because he has dealt with everyone.

 

[Pandora]

This is a conspiracy against Sharief Khandan. Shareifon nay tu Pakistan ki roshniyan bahal ki hain. Abi aatay hai PMLN kay tat poonjiyay aur apko aisi aisi choarein gay kay bas.
Arstoo is the prime culprit. When Dr Samar asked him to give him NOC for a 300 MW plant he shelved his plan despite Dr samar securing required funding. This fact was narated by Dr samar himself in an interview.

 

[HRK]

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To explain the salient points.

1) This is the generation cost of IPP's. High ROI backed by sovereign state guarantee and capacity payments are separate. The cost easily exceeds Rs30/ kwh before reaching the Discos.

2) Janwars from plmn have been constantly lying that Thar coal is more expensive than imported coal ( Sahiwal coal). All it needed was economy of scale. The reality is thar coal is the cheapest base load apart from hydal or local gas ( which is running out).

3) Not only these imported fuel based IPP's cause significant impact on our Trade deficit ( This year alone it will cost us in ~ $6-10b in precious forex to import fuel to run these plants) but the ROI and the further charges are on top of this in relation to burden on forex.

4) With the economy of scale ( if the power projects utilized thar coal) regasification and diesel production thar coal has the capacity to solve impending gas crisis in Pakistan.

5) Recently some obvious handles were elatic that there was Fuel adjustment surcharge of 4 Rs per unit. Is it not obvious that if we run IPP based on imported fuel, with the broadbase increase in energy prices generation cost will go up. On the other hand Thar coal is completely sourse.

6) Majority of the cost from Thar coal generation goes into the ecosystem in our own country benefitting our own people creating jobs and improving our own mining industries of GDP.

It is not rocket science to get coal out of ground, that too in thar.

@Zibago @SQ8 @waz @Jungibaaz @Clutch @Imran Khan @PanzerKiel @Windjammer @AZ1 @Signalian @ghazi52 @Sainthood 101 @HRK @araz @Path-Finder @The Eagle @The Eagle @TheDarkKnight @TheSnakeEatingMarkhur @RiazHaq @Vapnope @Valar. @Enigma SIG @Riz @Meengla @Menace2Society @Mav3rick @Aesterix @Goenitz @Blacklight @TNT and everyone else.

you are late to the party .....

but right in termingh the IPP scandal as the biggest in Pakistan's history.

 

[AZ1]

This is a conspiracy against Sharief Khandan. Shareifon nay tu Pakistan ki roshniyan bahal ki hain. Abi aatay hai PMLN kay tat poonjiyay aur apko aisi aisi choarein gay kay bas.
Arstoo is the prime culprit. When Dr Samar asked him to give him NOC for a 300 MW plant he shelved his plan despite Dr samar securing required funding. This fact was narated by Dr samar himself in an interview.

 

[Mav3rick]

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To explain the salient points.

1) This is the generation cost of IPP's. High ROI backed by sovereign state guarantee and capacity payments are separate. The cost easily exceeds Rs30/ kwh before reaching the Discos.

2) Janwars from plmn have been constantly lying that Thar coal is more expensive than imported coal ( Sahiwal coal). All it needed was economy of scale. The reality is thar coal is the cheapest base load apart from hydal or local gas ( which is running out).

3) Not only these imported fuel based IPP's cause significant impact on our Trade deficit ( This year alone it will cost us in ~ $6-10b in precious forex to import fuel to run these plants) but the ROI and the further charges are on top of this in relation to burden on forex.

4) With the economy of scale ( if the power projects utilized thar coal) regasification and diesel production thar coal has the capacity to solve impending gas crisis in Pakistan.

5) Recently some obvious handles were elatic that there was Fuel adjustment surcharge of 4 Rs per unit. Is it not obvious that if we run IPP based on imported fuel, with the broadbase increase in energy prices generation cost will go up. On the other hand Thar coal is completely sourse.

6) Majority of the cost from Thar coal generation goes into the ecosystem in our own country benefitting our own people creating jobs and improving our own mining industries of GDP.

It is not rocket science to get coal out of ground, that too in thar.

@Zibago @SQ8 @waz @Jungibaaz @Clutch @Imran Khan @PanzerKiel @Windjammer @AZ1 @Signalian @ghazi52 @Sainthood 101 @HRK @araz @Path-Finder @The Eagle @The Eagle @TheDarkKnight @TheSnakeEatingMarkhur @RiazHaq @Vapnope @Valar. @Enigma SIG @Riz @Meengla @Menace2Society @Mav3rick @Aesterix @Goenitz @Blacklight @TNT and everyone else.

Are those authentic figures & prices from official sources? And I don't think that is the complete picture, if Thar was indeed that beneficial, the incumbent government would have been producing more power from Thar Coal as opposed to other sources.

Also, I am not a big fan of Coal Powered Power Plants because they are polluting our environment so in the long run we need to convert them to GAS while we increase capacity of Power Generation from Solar & Wind hybrids in addition to innovations such as electricity from roads etc. In the next 15-20 year atleast 75% of our power generation should be from renewable sources.

 

[Imran Khan]

i have washed my hands from this country now just passing my days .

 

[Patriot forever]

Are those authentic figures & prices from official sources? And I don't think that is the complete picture, if Thar was indeed that beneficial, the incumbent government would have been producing more power from Thar Coal as opposed to other sources.

Also, I am not a big fan of Coal Powered Power Plants because they are polluting our environment so in the long run we need to convert them to GAS while we increase capacity of Power Generation from Solar & Wind hybrids in addition to innovations such as electricity from roads etc. In the next 15-20 year atleast 75% of our power generation should be from renewable sources.

Yes these are authentic.

The first thing the incumbent government did was to cancel all the proposed imported RLNG and Coal projects. The IPP's that are coming online are those that were approved before 2018.
The only projects given approval by the current government are Thar coal, renewable and hydel.

Bro it is not possible to substitute these imported fuel plants to Thar coal because of capacity payments. Whether we buy electricity or not the capacity payments and the ROI are fixed and sovereign state backed. The SBP is liable to make these payments.

Renewables apart from hydel ( that too has peaks and less production depending on water available in dams) are not ideal for base generation. Only Thar coal and indigenous gas ( which is drying up) has the potential.

 

[TNT]

This IPP crap is really depressing. Im astonished as to why no proper judicial or other investigation have not been launched. This pig nawaz deserves a death penalty for this.

 

[blueazure]

IPPs were installed first in BB govt in 1995 . later on, more were commissioned in zardari era( remember raja rental power scandal )

in musharref era, a few wind power plants were give IPP tariffs as well

 

[313ghazi]

So do we have no way of backing out of these IPPs? We need evidence kickbacks we're given during these contracts - that'd give us the opportunity to pull out of them.

 

[farok84]

Bro it is not possible to substitute these imported fuel plants to Thar coal because of capacity payments. Whether we buy electricity or not the capacity payments and the ROI are fixed and sovereign state backed. The SBP is liable to make these payments.

Hi,

What exactly is our contract with these gas fired power plants? Is the government bound to provide them imported gas (Rlng only) or any gas (domestic, from TAPI or IP)? (If sanity had prevailed, the contract should have been designed for providing a certain quality of gas and not specifically Rlng, it will be interesting to know this).

If the gas from underground coal gasification as proposed by Dr. Samar is cheaper than imported gas, why will these power plants decline to buy them? I understand, we can't build new power plants, but why cant we gasify coal and use that in our existing gas fired power plants (this way we can at least cut on our spot lng buys and save forex)? Is it due to Capex or due to lack of supporting infrastructure?

Following is a graphic depicting typical coal gasification process.

 

[Patriot forever]

Hi,

What exactly is our contract with these gas fired power plants? Is the government bound to provide them imported gas (Rlng only) or any gas (domestic, from TAPI or IP)? (If sanity had prevailed, the contract should have been designed for providing a certain quality of gas and not specifically Rlng, it will be interesting to know this).

If the gas from underground coal gasification as proposed by Dr. Samar is cheaper than imported gas, why will these power plants decline to buy them? I understand, we can't build new power plants, but why cant we gasify coal and use that in our existing gas fired power plants (this way we can at least cut on our spot lng buys and save forex)? Is it due to Capex or due to lack of supporting infrastructure?

Following is a graphic depicting typical coal gasification process.

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The Chinese already have this and employ it for domestic consumption. Synthetic gas, only an expert can comment on if our installed power plants are designed for use of synthetic gas but it can be used in fertiliser, industries and domestic consumption.

This is the projection of synthetic gas production in China.

 

[RiazHaq]

I wrote about corrupt IPP policy and contracts back in 2013. The same continued through Sharif years in office.

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[hussain0216]

i have washed my hands from this country now just passing my days .

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