The Aryans did not come from India; they conquered it

[Hold up]

Like trying to learn toilet manners. Oh okay. Sorry carry on.

Toilet's more important than ivc, so yeah you right.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It wasn't juvenile at all, don't over think things. I was simply stating the facts:

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LOL.

For the third time, PLEASE read the report. I am happy with having used the word 'juvenile', and see no reason to substitute it with another.

What's wrong with his statement?

Irrelevant.

There are/were a lot, most of them were historically absorbed into other Baradaris.

It is difficult to understand how anyone can be 'absorbed' into another Baradari.

My maternal grandfather was British White who used to boast about his father being a General who plundered British India. I feel a teeny bit guilty about my genes whenever I log onto this forum

YOU OWE US ALL A HALF-APOLOGY!

 

[Max]

I have a hindu friend from Sindh (lawyer).

Other day we were sitting , asked him about his caste..

Dude claimed to be a rajput... discussion went ahead and than he says that he’s a khatri/rajput.. his caste being Chawla...

I being just a bit about this stuff pointed out that khatris aren’t rajput but trading community.. in panjab you have sethis etc who are khatris but well he stuck to the claim of rajputs lol.

i heard that too from many people, but wasn't aware of what titles Khatri use in Pakistan, probably they are more in ganga valley then in Pakistan.

 

[Joe Shearer]

TOtal load of rubbish, ivc is far older than what the current history tells.

32,000 years, right?

Everybody has shat all over this topic; don't feel left out, come right in and squat.

 

[Srinivas]

32,000 years, right?

Everybody has shat all over this topic; don't feel left out, come right in and squat.

Check out the recently discovered site in turkey called Gobekli tepe, it dates 12500 years back.

There are enough evidences that human civilisation existed thousands of years ago.

Aryan invasion theory is trying to correlate Vedics with a city based civilization which is not dated accurately.

There is no evidence that the Indus script or the Indus Valley people who were conquered in Vedas.

The truth is in plain site, it is the people and archeologists that are acting blind.

How does that disprove the Aryan migrations?

Migrations happened through out the human history, but the question is whether it is inward or outward. There is no evidence that there is an aryan land any where else but epic Mahabharata describes India as Aryavartha, land of aryans.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Check out the recently discovered site in turkey called Gobekli tepe, it dates 12500 years back.

Good man. I assure you, you will feel much better now that you have got this out of your system. Squatting is good for the temper; unfortunately, there is no evidence that squatting is good for the working of the brain. Otherwise you might have noticed that 12,500<>32,000.

There are enough evidences that human civilisation existed thousands of years ago.

If, by human civilisation, you mean that humans had started living in fixed locations, and that there were some humans who were not perpetually wandering in search of food, the horizon is around 10,000 years ago, and not much more. Is there any evidence that you will like to provide?

Aryan invasion theory is trying to correlate Vedics with a city based civilization which is not dated accurately.

First, there is nothing called the Aryan Invasion Theory any more; it only exists in the minds of those who have no inkling of what historians and palaeo-anthropologists think currently, and cling on to the theories of the British colonial period, largely because they have, through trial and error, worked out refutations of these century-old arguments.

Second, the evidence quoted merely shows genetic evidence that there was an influx of an alien genetic type around 1500 BC, which is the date assigned to the initiation of the Indo-Aryan language by linguistic analysis. There is no mention of anything called Aryan; Aryan refers to the language family descended from PIE, and the geneticists cannot tell us who spoke what.

They can tell us that north Indians were descended from a prototypical profile called the Ancestral North Indian; this ANI profile was synthesised from a mixture of the steppe migrants, the descendants of the IVC people, and the hunter-gatherers of south Asia. Considering that this ANI is the starting point of the current population of north India, that they all speak Aryan languages, descended from Indo-Aryan, the language of the Vedas, and that this is thought to have started in 1500 BC, and that, finally, the geneticists have identified 1500 BC plus or minus 100 years is when the steppe descendants migrated into India, it is difficult to come to any conclusion other than what has been stated, without being perverse.

There is no evidence that the Indus script or the Indus Valley people who were conquered in Vedas.

There is none. Nor is there any evidence that the Aztecs worshipped Sri Krishna. What else would you like to quote, about which there is no evidence?

The recent genetics analysis and the report about the analysis does not have anything to say about the Vedas and the civic locations described in the Vedas, and the IVC.

The truth is in plain site, it is the people and archeologists that are acting blind.

A Freudian slip, but a most serendipitous one. It is indeed from the sites, from archaeology that we get very important inputs.

It is not clear from your sentence what you intend to convey by saying that 'it is the people and archeologists (sic) that are acting blind. Are you saying that you are neither people nor an archaeologist?

Migrations happened through out the human history, but the question is whether it is inward or outward. There is no evidence that there is an aryan land any where else but epic Mahabharata describes India as Aryavartha, land of aryans.

There is no question any longer, not after the research findings that have been published recently.

As for the Aryan land being nowhere else, but in the Mahabharata, India being described as Aryavarta, you really must do your homework, and not make statements that will cause laughter among serious students. If @vsdoc were still a participating member, he might have dealt with you very harshly; as it is, as we do not wish to take up cudgels for him or his set of beliefs, let us just say that you are unprepared for taking part in this discussion. A lot more preparation is needed.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

The truth is in plain site, it is the people and archeologists that are acting blind.

i'm pretty sure they have better credentials than you.

 

[Hamza913]

Check out the recently discovered site in turkey called Gobekli tepe, it dates 12500 years back.

There are enough evidences that human civilisation existed thousands of years ago.

Aryan invasion theory is trying to correlate Vedics with a city based civilization which is not dated accurately.

There is no evidence that the Indus script or the Indus Valley people who were conquered in Vedas.

The truth is in plain site, it is the people and archeologists that are acting blind.


Migrations happened through out the human history, but the question is whether it is inward or outward. There is no evidence that there is an aryan land any where else but epic Mahabharata describes India as Aryavartha, land of aryans.

You guys really love to deny all evidence and dig your head in the sand, don't you?

Also, these old Hindu stories were written post Aryan migrations AFAIK.

 

[Corona]

Every week, there is a new ancestry thread. And each time, people drag themselves back all the way to the stone age to prove....what?
In the immortal words of our Lord and Savior, Kylo Ren..

 

[Kabira]

Just want to know what happened to Rakhirgari evacuation findings? Any release date ..

They couldn't extract DNA from Rakhighiri. Anyway they finally got ancient DNA from Pakistan, Swat valley.

 

[timmy_area51]

three places it is said the Aryans invaded the most , northern india , iranian plateua and eastern europe

 

[Kabira]

And did the dna samples from the valley matched with the people living there presently ?

Swat valley now is dominated by pashtuns who moved there in 16th century. But there are also some old indo-aryan groups living there. Its mixed area basically.

Not seen proper results of ancient Swat samples. But from paper it looks like they didn't had much steppe ancestry. In fact they had less steppe ancestry then many modern indo-aryans. Also out of 41 samples only 1 was R1a.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Swat valley now is dominated by pashtuns who moved there in 16th century. But there are also some old indo-aryan groups living there. Its mixed area basically.

Not seen proper results of ancient Swat samples. But from paper it looks like they didn't had much steppe ancestry. In fact they had less steppe ancestry then many modern indo-aryans. Also out of 41 samples only 1 was R1a.

Pashtuns did not move to the area in the 16th century....

 

[django]

Pashtuns did not move to the area in the 16th century....

The area was inhabited by Dardic tribes like Kohistanis until Yousafzias moved in and Pashtunised the place.Kudos

 

[Karl]

''The Aryans did not come from India''

No shit lolll