The 5 Most Deadly Navies in Asia

[Shotgunner51]

What examination,Read this again

An examination of Asia’s navies—or more precisely, navies that operate regularly in Asian waters—puts these questions in the spotlight, not least because there is a massive disparity in the size and quality of the maritime forces in question. In a (highly hypothetical) fight between, say, India and Singapore, you’d expect the Indian Navy (IN) to best the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN): it’s got bucketloads of experience, more ships, more manpower and more money to buy or build replacements.

But which is the better navy? In qualitative, operational and policy-making terms, you’d say Singapore’s. And that’s why the RSN in is in this top five list, and the IN doesn’t make the cut, despite its heritage, history, two aircraft carriers and imminent commissioning of a nuclear-armed submarine.

he basically saus RSN is better than IN just becuz he says it is

Hey buddy, that's what I said, he has included Indian Navy into his scope of examination targets, period.
Whether you like or agree with his methodology of examination is another matter.
Calm down dude.

 

[SrNair]

James Hardy is an editor of IHS Janes's Defense Weekly, he should know his business

But this article doesnt showed his intellectual quality.Russian Submarines especially like Oscar ,Amur ,Borei,Severdovinsk ,Delta would give tough time to anyone in that list including
US

 

[karakoram]

I think russia china japan will be in top 3 not us in asia :-D

 

[Echo_419]

Hey buddy, that's what I said, he has included Indian Navy into his scope of examination targets, period.
Whether you like or agree with his methodology of examination is another matter.
Calm down dude.

Never mind

 

[Irfan Baloch]

If we include the navies around the world Royal Navy and French Navy is still miles ahead than us.Royal Navy is the best.

I thought we were talking Asia here.
I am not aware of any French or British fleet in South East and Pacific.

 

[Shotgunner51]

But this article doesnt showed his intellectual quality.Russian Submarines especially like Oscar ,Amur ,Borei,Severdovinsk ,Delta would give tough time to anyone in that list including
US

Yup these Russian subs do rock big time, real horrifying babies no doubt. But what this fellow is examining is as he said "In qualitative, operational and policy-making terms. .." i.e. not hardware. Moreover, he clearly used the example of India vs Singapore to show that size and scale is out of his equation.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Discounting the USN, which is the best in any part of the world, my top 5 are:

JMSDF - these guys have professionalism, size, skill, and don't neglect any aspects of their forces. They have strong anti-air, AWS, electronic-warfare and inter-operational capabilities. Training with and being backed-up by the USN doesn't hurt either.

PLAN - making good progress, but still lacking sorely in ASW warfare and experience. Their sub force is modernizing quickly and they are making good, but not great progress on the naval aviation front. Their destroyer force is a match for any other and their submarines are making amazing strides in noise reduction capability. Still, their size can overwhelm a technologically and tactically superior navy with shear numbers.

Военно-морской Флот Российской Федерации - The Russian Navy is still a forced to be reckoned with, even if their strength isn't what it used to be they are making a lot of progress in returning to their Cold War days. Their surface fleet may be a bit limited in power-projection, but their naval aviation arm and submarine fleet are second only to the USN. Don't discount the Russian Navy

Even if limited in size, the Russian Navy Pacific Fleet is still very strong:

The Pacific Fleet, established on 10 May 1731 and is headquartered in Vladivostok and based around Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatskiy. The Fleet consists of;

• Kirov class battlecruiser (1) - in conservation
• Slava class cruiser (1)
• Sovremennyy class destroyer (1)
• Udaloy class destroyer (4)
• Delta III class submarine (3)
• Oscar-class submarine (5)
• Akula-class submarine (5)
• Kilo class submarine (7)

That's a pain in the butt for anyone.

Indian Navy - They rank lower as they are still in the process of modernizing and figuring out their overall strategy. A series of naval accidents and a limited sub-surface fleet doesn't help them either. India, like China is still learning the naval aviation game and in terms of both quality and quantity it is lagging behind the other contenders. The IN doesn't have the power-projection capability of the other nations listed and its amphibious assault capabilities are really, really limited in scope.

They're making progress, each of the listed nations is, but I would like to see more effort put into the submarine fleet.

ROKN - The ROKN is a more limited JMSDF. Strong, but not up to the technological or tactical strength of the JMSDF. Their submarines are more limited. Their naval aviation less experienced, their amphibious landing capabilities very weak. Their destroyer force is small, but growing in size. Their most plentiful naval vessel is the Pohang-class corvette. This isn't a navy with can project-power, I'm unsure it can even successfully defend the ROK from a nation like Japan.

These are my top 5, but the undisputed king in Asia is still the US 7th Fleet!

United States Seventh Fleet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Try th Chinese,Japanese,South Koreans,Singaporeans ?

Singapore and South Korea? really? even the Bangladeshi gunboats can sink them all

Indian Navy - They rank lower as they are still in the process of modernizing and figuring out their overall strategy. A series of naval accidents and a limited sub-surface fleet doesn't help them either. India, like China is still learning the naval aviation game and in terms of both quality and quantity it is lagging behind the other contenders. The IN doesn't have the power-projection capability of the other nations listed and its amphibious assault capabilities are really, really limited in scope.

They're making progress, each of the listed nations is, but I would like to see more effort put into the submarine fleet.

what power projection and naval aviation game South Korea and Singapore have that India doesn't?
I find this listing very flattering for the countries listed except of course US, Japan and maybe China.

 

[Echo_419]

Yup these Russian subs do rock big time, real horrifying babies no doubt. But what this fellow is examining is as he said "In qualitative, operational and policy-making terms. .." i.e. not hardware. Moreover, he clearly used the example of India vs Singapore to show that size and scale is out of his equation.

Do tell me how is China ahead of Japan & Korea in quality & Policy making

 

[Kambojaric]

USN in Asia? Is my geography wrong? Where are us? The great billegerents of Asia?

Well Guam is part of the US and is located in Asia even though it is not a fully incorporated state (Guam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Literally speaking though the US is in Asia too.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Discounting the USN, which is the best in any part of the world, my top 5 are:

JMSDF - these guys have professionalism, size, skill, and don't neglect any aspects of their forces. They have strong anti-air, AWS, electronic-warfare and inter-operational capabilities. Training with and being backed-up by the USN doesn't hurt either.

PLAN - making good progress, but still lacking sorely in ASW warfare and experience. Their sub force is modernizing quickly and they are making good, but not great progress on the naval aviation from. Their destroyer force is a match for any other. Still, their size can overwhelm a technologically and tactically superior navy with shear numbers.

Военно-морской Флот Российской Федерации - The Russian Navy is still a forced to be reasoned with, even if their strength isn't what it used to be they are making a lot of progress in returning to their Cold War days. Their surface fleet may be a bit limited in power-projection, but their naval aviation arm and submarine fleet are second only to the USN. Don't discount the Russian Navy

Even if limited in size, the Russian Navy Pacific Fleet is still very strong:

The Pacific Fleet, established on 10 May 1731 and is headquartered in Vladivostok and based around Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatskiy. The Fleet consists of;

• Kirov class battlecruiser (1) - in conservation
• Slava class cruiser (1)
• Sovremennyy class destroyer (1)
• Udaloy class destroyer (4)
• Delta III class submarine (3)
• Oscar-class submarine (5)
• Akula-class submarine (5)
• Kilo class submarine (7)

That's a pain in the butt for anyone.

Indian Navy - They rank lower as they are still in the process of modernizing and figuring out their overall strategy. A series of naval accidents and a limited sub-surface fleet doesn't help them either. India, like China is still learning the naval aviation game and in terms of both quality and quantity it is lagging behind the other contenders. The IN doesn't have the power-projection capability of the other nations listed and its amphibious assault capabilities are really, really limited in scope.

They're making progress, each of the listed nations is, but I would like to see more effort put into the submarine fleet.

ROKN - The ROKN is a more limited JMSDF. Strong, but not up to the technological or tactical strength of the JMSDF. Their submarines are more limited. Their naval aviation less experienced, their amphibious landing capabilities very weak. Their destroyer force is small, but growing in size. Their most plentiful naval vessel is the Pohang-class corvette. This isn't a navy with can project-power, I'm unsure it can even successfully defend the ROK from a nation like Japan.

These are my top 5, but the undisputed king in Asia is still the US 7th Fleet!

United States Seventh Fleet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well written. Just double check so that we are all on the same page, are your views examined from a similar angle as of James Hardy, i.e. "...in qualitative, operational and policy-making terms. .." and leave size/scale out of the equation?

 

[Nike]

kinda upset with this article, if you are talking about Asia, there should be Asia countries, and if you want to taking Seventh and Six Fleet into calculation then so be it but you must consistent to taking them into your next accounts.

And what surprise me is about Singapore Navy

Singapore Navy is nowhere near the big shoots like USN or ROKN, they don't belong into the big five at all, though they have technological edge in their C3ISR capability but their fleets is small (their core fleets is only depend on six Formidable class frigates and about six upgraded archer class from Sweden in which the hull itself is more than 40 years olds) and their Naval industrial base is kinda small too, and we still not talking about their manpower poll in which very small and doesn't give them any chance to survive to fighting any prolonged wars and if they want to pit themselves into decisive battles they will hold no chance at open sea when facing a larger and modern Navy like India Navy, JMSDF, PLAN or ROKN. And if you are talking about Pacific Rim, i thing you should taking Russian Pacific Fleets into account, after all they hold responsibility about Russian Power Projection in Asia Pacific area.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Do tell me how is China ahead of Japan & Korea in quality & Policy making

Stop barking at me dude, you haven't even asked me wether I agree with him or not ...

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Well written. Just double check so that we are all on the same page, are your views examined from a similar angle as of James Hardy, i.e. "...in qualitative, operational and policy-making terms. .." and leave size/scale out of the equation?

I note size in the analysis of the PLAN, but for the other four, their size is limited. If we really want to get into the size game I wouldn't suggest the 7th fleet is the strongest in Asia. Rather I would put the whole USN in that metric. I do take into account the size, hence why South Korea remains low while China and Japan are high on my list. However, size only goes so far and between the huge PLAN and the large JMSDF, I chose the latter as it is a more established navy (training, tech, etc.) while the PLAN is in the process of modernizing.

Size doesn't matter to me too much. Once Iraq had a massive military... it took us a few weeks to destroy it with superior tactics and technology. Similarly, the DPRK relies on this strategy to combat a more technologically capable, but smaller South. Even during the Cold War the Russians relied on size to combat our technological superiority, but they never truly achieved the parity they wanted. Size doesn't make too much of a difference against a well trained, technologically capable and motivated military (forget winning with conscripts).

In a few years time the IN and PLAN will rank higher, but right now the JMSDF combines all the metrics I value in a military... though I suppose this is a difference in culture too seeing as how the US military has always prided itself on tech and not size to remain competitive and ahead of our rivals.

 

[anonymus]

All your points are valid, and I do agree that it was unfortunate that the author did not include the Indian Navy, as it is indeed a powerful naval force. If i had to attempt to explain the author's analysis -- probably he was referring to the Asia-Pacific Rim nations' navies. In an analysis of the Indian Ocean Region, am sure the Indian Navy would be #1 in that list.

This particular author has a very strong Anti-India bias. Refer to his other articles on this and other sites.

Frankly, what is left out once Experience, Equipment, Manpower, Heritage,History, and Money is counted?He himself know that he is printing bullshit that's why he tried to justified his bias under operational and Policy-making terms ( what the fück are they?).

His whole argument is "I say so".

India and Singapore, you’d expect the Indian Navy (IN) to best the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN): it’s got bucketloads of experience, more ships, more manpower and more money to buy or build replacements.

But which is the better navy? In qualitative, operational and policy-making terms, you’d say Singapore’s. And that’s why the RSN in is in this top five list, and the IN doesn’t make the cut, despite its heritage, history, two aircraft carriers and imminent commissioning of a nuclear-armed submarine.

ha ha ha. My dear Indian brothers, so sensitive !

Dude,

It is not a case of sensitivity but hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty of other party.By the standards with which he claimed to have judged India, China would end up last on this list, even if it make it at all (very low probability of that).

Indian Navy's Aircraft carriers would not evaporate in thin air just because a 2-pence Briton editor ,who has a massive chip on his shoulder as a country which was colony of his country 60 years ago is eclipsing his country, gave it a low ranking.

But his hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty need to be pointed out.