Thank You USA

[muse]

Depends on the missile and seeker, alternately the target maybe "illuminated" by ground assets.

Don't miss the forest for the trees, the point is we don't acknowledge our deep involvment because for the most part a significant portion of our population can't deal with facts, they prefer theri hate filled fantasies of the world being against them, Jews and all, you know, Boo!

That's just the truth, deal with it - the sooner we deal with it the sooner we can get real - wanna shed tears over the talib, be my guest - His mother and sister, his Asymetric war fighting, Badal loving, Pashtunwali hugging, boy f***ing, ghairatmand behind, yeah, it's the truth, but some get off on his "savage man" purity, but see above for the quality of that purity and by extension that of his amourous enablers, yeah, get that's reality, can you deal with it??

And before you imagine that we just want to kill them, we can kill them at will, we have been more than reasonable, we have tried to reason with them, in return they threaten us thinking we are weak - and that's the reality - you don't think "Haji" Turkistan just happened, do you??

Anyway this is all academic, they will either surrender or die, for my money surrender would be better, but as you can judge for yourself, we are preparing to kill them off and then off to maybe greener pastures in Kurram.

 

[BATMAN]

Is hamam main sab nangay hain. Savvy?

Why is than the perception of local people different than what it should be?
In short, i as share holder is being asked to trust every thing blindly, for ever... where as on ground.... hardly any helfire has hit any TTP training grounds.
No body has said that Muslims can't do any thing wrong.... every one has his reasons to do bad things.

All what we understand from the happenings is that there is no co-operation and trust among two states what so ever and intelligence sharing is a far cry.

Every day US ambassador in Pakistan cry for lack of trust and blame Pakistan for supporting terrorist..... she has even managed to convince our democratic govt. to let her build her personal army and not to inform the army.
Our govt. has been constantly asking US publicaly to stop the attacks and share the drone technology so that we can use them for same purpose against TTP.
There are many other events which hints at different direction..... we cannot see things in isolated perspective.

Those transmitting devices which you have mentioned are not planted by Pakistani security.... those are planted by childrens in exchange of 50 USD each.
Those children can plant them even in the house of a guy whom they don't like personally.
Secondly, it is not neccessary to have transmitting device at all.
Drone have a camera and the vedio is being constantly transmitted back to US, where the decsion can be made to shoot based on vedio result.
In Iraq many farmers were mistaken as terorists, while they were watering there fields in night or carrying there farming tools.

Other thing is that when US soldiers came to a village and killed unarmed civilians! couldn't they decide that they are shooting at women and children?

with track record like this it is natural to have mistrust and it is important to clear doubts what so ever.

I don't think any single Pakistani is going to trust blindly what US or Zardair govt. say. in such senario hearts and mind battel is already lost.

 

[BATMAN]

How do they place transmitting devices inside targets which are moving cars?

No it is not neccessary at all to have transmitting device at all, moving or stationary object.
Even in case of transmitters...... without visual information no one can issue order to shoot.
All visual records has to be available for each fire or reconiassance mission.

 

[TruthSeeker]

We have to be careful while speaking against any country untill we have any sort of proof or logic to link it with any conspiracy.
This is my advise to those who are leading the campaign against Saudi Arabia , on this forum.

Wow, Batman! I sure wish you would follow your own very wise advice vis a vis the USA and the TTP.

 

[muse]

Our govt. has been constantly asking US publicaly to stop the attacks and share the drone technology so that we can use them for same purpose against TTP.

And yet the drones seem to know, somehow, just where baitullah was ? Even as the battle in Swat carried on, the drones kept up, kept pace? coincidence?

It's called "plausible deniablity" - and we have it becaue we have people like you who cannot deal with reality.

The sooner funds from Saudi Arabia is stopped the sooner you can get on with normal life - no one to hate.

 

[BATMAN]

Wow, Batman! I sure wish you would follow your own very wise advice vis a vis the USA and the TTP.

The emergence of TTP in 2006 and its objectives, actions, finances and wepons make enough sense to relate it to US.

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Stolen US arms being used in Swat: ISPR

 

[MZUBAIR]

And yet the drones seem to know, somehow, just where baitullah was ? Even as the battle in Swat carried on, the drones kept up, kept pace? coincidence?

It's called "plausible deniablity" - and we have it becaue we have people like you who cannot deal with reality.

The sooner funds from Saudi Arabia is stopped the sooner you can get on with normal life - no one to hate.

We are facing reactions of Mr Mushi acts.



No signs to stop drone.

Civilians of tribal areas getting angry.

 

[MZUBAIR]

Your opinion is not based on facts. You have no proof of how many "innocent" people have been killed in drone strikes. I can say ZERO and you cannot prove me wrong. I would bet, though, that the percentage of innocents killed in USA drone strikes is much, much smaller than either the actions of the Taliban or the PA in attacking the Taliban. The reason that the PA wants drone strike capability is that the PA recognizes that drone strikes kill bad guys with less "collateral" damage than it can achieve with its own present capabilities.

When these drones will stop?

 

[BATMAN]

The sooner funds from Saudi Arabia is stopped the sooner you can get on with normal life - no one to hate.

US: "Irrefutable" Proof Iran Arms Taliban

US accuses Iran of supplying arms to Taliban insurgents

Indian-made arms seized

'Marking' on arms seized from tribal belt points to India: Pak

I'm sorry Muse.... but without any logic or base or evidence... your claims make no sense.
You are bringing in some new version without any thinking.

 

[Developereo]

Other thing is that when US soldiers came to a village and killed unarmed civilians! couldn't they decide that they are shooting at women and children?

These are Australian diggers but the same thing applies:

Diggers scrutinised over Afghan deaths

Australian troops raided a property where there was no Taliban activity, using machine guns and hand grenades against civilians who were asleep at night.
[...]
Defence officials said five children died as well as an insurgent but Mr Khan says seven people were killed, including his brother, Amrullah, his sister-in-law, a six-month old baby, a three-year-old and his daughter, Malalai.

The sooner funds from Saudi Arabia is stopped the sooner you can get on with normal life - no one to hate.

Why doesn't the US use its enormous influence over the Saudis to stem the funds at their source? They manage to freeze the funds of any organization that threatens Israel or US domestic security. Why not these Saudi channels?

Contrary to popular opinion less than 7% of US domestic oil consumption comes from KSA. The US can find alternative sources easily enough.

U.S. Dependence on Foreign Oil, by Country

The emergence of TTP in 2006 and its objectives, actions, finances and wepons make enough sense to relate it to US.

I can understand India's or Israel's motive in supporting TTP, but I don't see a US motive in all this. Unless it's a juvenile tit-for-tat to put pressure on Pakistan: either you clamp down on "Quette Shura", or we will get back at you through TTP.

 

[muse]

Develepero

Why doesn't the US use its enormous influence over the Saudis to stem the funds at their source? They manage to freeze the funds of any organization that threatens Israel or US domestic security. Why not these Saudi channels?

very important high level personalities are their number 1 contributors, for them it is a religious obligation (wahabi/Salafi) just like they did in Iraq.

Funds are being collect as charity for "Afghan brothers" - if you have any friends or know of people in Saudi, ask them if this is not true, in every Masjid, after Qutba, funds are being collected as "Charity" and of course the wool is being pulled over everyone's eyes -- how does the money get through, the usual age old systems smuggling and Havala. If you go on the SITE website there is even a video of them thanking their Saudis.

 

[BATMAN]

Reply for Develpero:
Why the hell US, Iran and Indians are supplying arms to Taliban.
I think to cut supply lines of enemy is more important than an all out offensive!
Not to mention the billions of dollars barefooted mehsud is flashing around the tribes!
Have you ever wondered how TTP choose its bombing targets?
For example.... why world food programme and not any other programme?
Simply, because pre written news start to flow with pretext an organization which was providing food to hungry Pakistan!
I have heard exactly these words from TV news!
Why TTP pinpointed a doctor who was running an R&D in Switzerland and was close to a break through in spinal related stuff?
How come TTP managed to plant moles in Pakistan embassy Switzerland?
TTP knew in and out of our defence production factories... where they successfully killed many engineers and technicians...
Same is when they target secret houses of FIA of Pakistan....how they know?
Same when they attacked FIA building in lahore they knew....terrorism investigation cell is working there!
Same is when they shoot at Musharraf's convoys or plane! they seemed to have established very sophisticated network deep inside Pakistan organisations which require boarding lodging and payments!!!!
They turned out to be more trained and resourceful than CIA or RAW! but ehy hail from mountains where they do not have even access to internet or neither have they studied in any sort of school, ever.
They have no bussiness or relation with any country other than Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is a US and Indian colony.
Just some more to read and ponder:
http://www.town9.com/indian-taliban-pakistan-must-ban#

 

[waraich66]

Develepero




very important high level personalities are their number 1 contributors, for them it is a religious obligation (wahabi/Salafi) just like they did in Iraq.

Funds are being collect as charity for "Afghan brothers" - if you have any friends or know of people in Saudi, ask them if this is not true, in every Masjid, after Qutba, funds are being collected as "Charity" and of course the wool is being pulled over everyone's eyes -- how does the money get through, the usual age old systems smuggling and Havala. If you go on the SITE website there is even a video of them thanking their Saudis.

Hundi is most reliable chanel of money transfer faster then banking system.

 

[muse]

You have first hand knowledge?

 

[Developereo]

very important high level personalities are their number 1 contributors, for them it is a religious obligation (wahabi/Salafi) just like they did in Iraq.

I can understand them funding the Afghan Taliban, but there is no logic behind them funding the TTP. The Saudis have a far more mainstream and well integrated proxy in Pakistan through the Jamaat and other religious parties.

Any TTP video thanking Saudis would most likely be part of a deliberate disinformation campaign.

Why the hell US, Iran and Indians are supplying arms to Taliban.

Focussing on the TTP, I think they target shias, so we can rule out Iran as a supporter. In fact, if we can prove a link between TTP and India, this will destroy Iran/India friendship for good.

I still don't see a US motive behind TTP. The most likely suspects are India and/or Israel to stir up shia/sunni trouble within Pakistan.