TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

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Supercruise.....you sure ?

Yes.

 

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First of all, you are comparing F119's thrust with afterburner to that of EJ200's dry thrust..

Sing EJ produces 90 kn with reheat, hence two engines produces 180 kn with reheat.. With EJ230 having 30% more would come to 234 kn...

Sorry, sorry.
The engine delivers thrust in the 35,000 lbf (160 kN) class, and is designed for supersonic flight without the use of afterburner

When i saw this sentence, i thought not without afterburner.

Don't involve afterburners, Supercruise is sustained supersonic flight of a supersonic aircraft with a useful cargo, passenger, or weapons load performed efficiently, which typically precludes the use of highly inefficient afterburners (reheat).

F-119 Dry Thrust: 116 kN
EJ-230: 78 kN.

When using 2x engines, difference would be 76kN..... @Legionaire ?

 

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Sorry, sorry.
The engine delivers thrust in the 35,000 lbf (160 kN) class, and is designed for supersonic flight without the use of afterburner

When i saw this sentence, i thought not without afterburner.

Don't involve afterburners, Supercruise is sustained supersonic flight of a supersonic aircraft with a useful cargo, passenger, or weapons load performed efficiently, which typically precludes the use of highly inefficient afterburners (reheat).

F-119 Dry Thrust: 116 kN
EJ-230: 78 kN.

When using 2x engines, difference would be 76kN..... @Legionaire ?

You're missing out some information that would dictate size of an aircraft, since fighters are built around the engine choice.

Length
F119 - 516 cm
EJ200 - 406 cm

Diameter
F119 - 120 cm
EJ200 - 70 cm

There's no way FX is going to be size of F-22, which you base your argument on.

 

[ihatecaptcha]

Is there any progress on this project?

 

[ihatecaptcha]

ANKARA — Tusas Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), maker of what will eventually become Turkey’s first indigenous fighter jet, hopes to pen a design contract for the aircraft in the first half of 2016.

The company is in talks with the procurement agency, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), over the design phase of the program, dubbed TF-X.

TAI recently narrowed design options to three models, one of which will be chosen by the end-user, the Turkish Air Force.

The short-listed design options feature both single-engine and twin-engine models, according to Muharrem Dortkasli, TAI’s general manager.

“The choice over the engine will be key to finalize the decision on the design concept,” Dortkasli said. “All of the chosen three model options are good enough to meet the operational requirements of the end user.”

He said that TAI’s work aims to benefit from the capabilities of the local industry “at full.”

“Subsystems will be as ‘national’ as possible,” Dortkasli said.

Turkey hopes to fly the TF-X by 2023, the centennial of the Turkish republic. Dortkasli said the maiden flight will be followed by 300 to 500 sorties before certification of the aircraft.

“We will succeed,” he said.

Analysts say although Turkey is keen to develop a “national” fighter, work will be shared with foreign aircraft makers.

“I understand that the Turkish red line about the future aircraft’s ‘national’ identity will be about the capability to fly an aircraft with critical sovereign systems — as well as the rights to be able to sell it to potential buyers without having to knock on any foreign producer’s door,” said one defense analyst.

Industry sources agreed that the selection of an engine is the most critical step in the current stage of the program.

The Turkish government has been in talks with engine makers to assess engine options and modality.

In December, Rolls-Royce said it was offering its EJ200 engine to power the Turkish-made fighter jet. Procurement officials said they are in talks with Rolls-Royce over the terms of production, know-how and export licenses.

Eurojet Turbo is a major partner of Rolls-Royce together with MTU, ITP & Avio for offering the EJ200 as a potential engine for the TF-X program. Rolls-Royce said the technology of the EJ200 makes it smaller and simpler in layout than current engines of a similar thrust class, while giving it lower fuel consumption and an unprecedented power-to-weight ratio.

The first series production Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft, powered by the EJ200, were flown in February 2003. The Typhoon flew operational missions over Libya as part of Operation Ellamy, totaling 6,000 engine hours without a reject.

Rolls-Royce has so far delivered more than 1,100 EJ2000 engines. It has a thrust range from 13,500 pounds force dry to 20,000 pounds force with reheat.

Turks are keen on stealth and believe that the engine technology to be chosen would be very critical in attaining the desired stealth capability.

defensenews

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

I wanted to remark, it will of course be super-cruise capable.
But most missions are flown as CAP or bomb truck role.

Without AB

EF-2000 is able to fly super-cruise at 1.3 Mach for 23 minutes and weapon load.
The almost two times heavier F-22 can super-cruise at Mach 1.8 almost 30 minutes with weapon load.

But very surprising old F-4E-2020 is super-cruise capable without AB (possibly with Pratt&Whiney PW1120 upgraded to Super Phantom, some people claim it was better maneuverable than a F-18)

Here is comparison list from ex-pilots

"When that catch phrase first came out, I talked to an ex AF F-4 pilot, who actually did maintenance test flights after they got worked on. He explained the whole flight profile of those tests, part of which was to go supersonic without the benefit of afterburner.
As for LY744's question... I would assume that the afterburner on the F-14/15/16/18 would add a pretty similiar punch across the board. If that is true, then perhaps they would still be ranked the same, albeit the top speeds being uniformly lower than with a/b. So it would be something like this:

F-15 2.5+
F-111 2.5
F-14 2.2
F-16 2
F-18 1.8

That's for the American fighters, so let's say without a/b you lose .8 (just throwing that out there for examples sake) then it would look something like:

F-15 1.7+
F-111 1.7
F-14 1.4
F-16 1.2
F-18 1.0"

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/23761/

 

[UkroTurk]

Korean FX with EJ-200

With hometown engine.

 

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[Hurshid Celebi]

Seems to be Teknokent ODTÜ ?

Milli savaş uçağının adresi belli oldu - Milliyet Haber

 

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In this picture they are looking at the latest design concepts of TFX

 

[Bismarck]

In this picture they are looking at the latest design concepts of TFX

Where do you know it is the latest design concept they are looking?

 

[Seyfullah]

Where do you know it is the latest design concept they are looking?

Trust me even naked top model will NOT make this smile on their faces but latest concepts of TFX

 

[TopCat]

If you cant produce toe to tail by yourself there is not point in making a fighter only for national pride.

 

[UkroTurk]

Who is speaking? Bangladesh Minister of Defence or Authority of Global Defence??
Yes,we Turks cannot produce our fighters. Are you happy now?


Do you know, F-22 and SM-3 have a parts which are made in china?

In Turkey we say:
My money listening my orders. If Money in my pocket, a would buy everything.
Because a lot of people ready to give everything for money.

Please dont confuse Turkey with new born babies.

 

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If you cant produce toe to tail by yourself there is not point in making a fighter only for national pride.

Sweden
S.Korea
United Kingdom
Spain
Germany
Italy

are few countries that can not produce fighter jets from 'toe to tail' as you put it. Yet they all have advanced technologically because they produced as much of their fighter jets as feasibly possible. Israel's defence industry advanced immensely because of their investments into aerospace, and so will Turkish Defence Industry with TFX project.

Countries who have no pride, no ambition, no goal.. just float. Is your country @iajdani a country that floats with the current?