TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Bismarck]

What about the latest export report?

Contract was made years ago. Most are submarine parts.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Latest specs of Hürjet:
Max. Altitude: 13716 m (45000 feet)
Range; 2592 km (1400 nmi)
Useful payload: 2721 kg (6000 lbs)
Max. Speed: 1.4 mach
https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/ekonomi/hurjette-on-tasarim-tamam/1538106

lets think of it smart, EJ-2000 is stronger than f404 engine and how come FA-50 fly with 1.5 march and Hurket with 1.4 march speed?
I believe Tai is not telling the truth here.. especially EJ200 engine has capaciti to improve it, which will make it somewhere near Gripen NG and above it

 

[Saithan]

Preliminary design review phase of Turkey's Hürjet complete

As work continues at full speed, the Preliminary Design Review (PDR) phase in the Advanced Jet Trainer and Light Attack Aircraft Hürjet project has been successfully finalized. The Hürjet project, developed considering the needs of Turkish and global markets, was initiated by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) in July 2017 under the coordination of the Defense Industry Directorate, which is now known as the Presidency of Defense Industries. The project is aimed at developing jet-engine training aircraft. According to information cited by Anadolu Agency (AA) yesterday, during the two-day meetings running under the arbitration of local and foreign independent observers, each of whom are experts in their respective fields, with broad participation, the evaluation committee has approved the progress of the project as planned to proceed to the next critical design phase.

Within this scope, the Hürjet project, which has been evaluated in four main areas of expertise, i.e. flight sciences, aircraft structure, aircraft systems and avionics and electrical systems, have been approved by the evaluation committee in all these areas.

Hürjet, which has successfully undergone the critical phase in a short period of time, is expected to have its critical design in the summer of 2020. It is also anticipated that its prototype will be released in December 2021 and will be prepared for its first flight in the summer of 2022.

The Hürjet project was launched to be included in the Turkish Air Force inventory to replace T-38 aircraft used in the scope of advanced flight training and F-5 aircraft used in acroteam shows.

Hürjet is also expected to replace jet training aircraft with a service life of more than 20 years. Fifth-generation aircraft − TFX, the F-35 and the like which are rapidly growing in number and will be used as jet training aircraft that will appeal to updated configurations.

The Hürjet has been designed to play a critical role, using superior performance features with a single engine, tandem and modern avionics cockpit.

The armed variant of the aircraft will be an important element of force in combat areas with a wide range of missions and superior payload capacity.

With all these features and equipment, Hürjet will assume the roles of advanced flight training, transition to war preparation training, light attack close air support, armed and unarmed air patrols, and acrobatic shows.

Hürjets will be 13.4 meters long with wingspans of 11 meters and will provide environmental security in offensive operations.

In the project, Hürjet's maximum altitude is set at 45,000 feet, along with its 3,000-kilogram payload and a maximum speed of Mach 1.2.

Source: https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/...esign-review-phase-of-turkeys-hurjet-complete

 

[Indos]

lets think of it smart, EJ-2000 is stronger than f404 engine and how come FA-50 fly with 1.5 march and Hurket with 1.4 march speed?
I believe Tai is not telling the truth here.. especially EJ200 engine has capaciti to improve it, which will make it somewhere near Gripen NG and above it

There is trade off theory in air craft design between speed and maneuverability, so maybe Hurjet has less speed but better maneuverability compared to FA-50.

 

[Kamil_baku]

There is trade off theory in air craft design between speed and maneuverability, so maybe Hurjet has less speed but better maneuverability compared to FA-50.

I dont think so to be honest.. If you tell me they made it stealthy, which it looks like when you look deep at Hurjet nose, but as the weapons will be outside, it shouldnt matter much..
Sometimes you need the speed to maneuver, unles you have different design like canards..
any other idea here?

 

[Indos]

any other idea here?

Nope

 

[Kamil_baku]

Nope

on the other hand, Swedish NG jet has 2 mach speed which has only 10% stronger engine and way older design,
I believe Turkey knew that it will use EJ200 engine, they just hide it untl last moment..
why ej200? because Turkey can increase the engine power 20-25% in the future and TVC, which will make the jet best in its class and can even fight against any fighter out there..
These projects consume lots of money. Turkey needs to develop something the best to be able to export it..
now the only challenge in front of Turkey is to develop similar engine that can be used here too..

 

[Deino]

....
why ej200? because Turkey can increase the engine power 20-25% in the future and TVC, ...

Stop dreaming! If - and IMO this IF is quite huge - Turkey will get the EJ-200, it will get it as it is with no opinion to indigenously increase power - and surely never ever by that margin - nor will they be able to add TVC.

Guys ... do you really think that Turkey, that has no technical insight into that engine can manage to increase thrust and add TVC, while those three countries which developed and manufactured this engine, were not abke or willi g to do so?
That's plain ridiculous... then there's a bigger chance to do the same with the F110 for the TFX, an engine built in Turkey but even for this, you requested General Electric. So please do your homework before posing illusions.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Stop dreaming! If - and IMO this IF is quite huge - Turkey will get the EJ-200, it will get it as it is with no opinion to indigenously increase power - and surely never ever by that margin - nor will they be able to add TVC.

Guys ... do you really think that Turkey, that has no technical insight into that engine can manage to increase thrust and add TVC, while those three countries which developed and manufactured this engine, were not abke or willi g to do so?
That's plain ridiculous... then there's a bigger chance to do the same with the F110 for the TFX, an engine built in Turkey but even for this, you requested General Electric. So please do your homework before posing illusions.

Dude, seems like you misunderstand or acting like stupid.
there are options for specifically ej-200 to boost its power or add TVC.. Depending on the relations with UK, Turkey could add them in the future.. if not, it will still e a strong option with 20000 LB power
200 UK engineer working at Turkish TF-X project says a lot that Ej-200 engine was selected way before it was announced..

 

[Bismarck]

why cant i ignore that stupid? so we are under obligation to face his stupidities?

Turkey cant do that, Turkey cant do this...Fed up with this faggots BS here.

if you dont like what we are "dreaming" here , just get the hell out.

Thats not the point here. Its about realistic assessment of own capabilities. Yes, you have the right to dream what ever you want to dream of.Self-esteem will not bring you closer on your target.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Thats not the point here. Its about realistic assessment of own capabilities. Yes, you have the right to dream what ever you want to dream of.Self-esteem will not bring you closer on your target.

it is not about dreaming, it just shows that he talks BS and acting like smart &ss. If Turkey purchase ej200, it cannot just add TVC or push its power as it wants. If he doesnt have brain cell to understand it, get the hell out of here...(saying in a nice way) the problem is he is trolling here. it is not your grandpa's car which you want to turn it into a sport car. It is a ferrari which if you even change a headlight, you will be cut from factory guarantee.
the problem is CHine cannot even produce and sell a single jet on its own and these fliers are all around

 

[damm1t]

That guy deeply pray hard for us to fail. He thinks that we are not capable of doing a sh!t. The most brilliant brains of Turkey working there hard plus couple hundreds of British engineers and this hardwork will pay back dearly. These are the first steps which are the toughest ones. The rest is pie cake. After some decades Turkey will be among top quality defence product manufacturers from A to Z thatnks today's hardwork.

 

[Quasar]

could someone make a simple calculation for me what will be thrust to weight ratio of HÜRJET?

 

[Kamil_baku]

could someone make a simple calculation for me what will be thrust to weight ratio of HÜRJET?

Ej200 has the lowest thrust to weight ration in the world. It will make Hurjet probably the best one in its class too..
only competitor would be the Gripen NG, but with TVC or engine boost, it will become the best..
on the other hand, with Turkish made Air to Air missiles, ven these jets pose lots of threat to anybody who think of attacking Turkey. because with thousands fo those missiles, they can fire the missiles and run away without carind much about the limited amount of them. it is expensive, but those kind of war is lost in the air and Turkey understands it very well..

 

[Mithridates]

Ej200 has the highest thrust to weight ration in the world