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It looks like somebody pays you very good to be that "patriotic" and "realistic" about your homeland capabilities!
Yeahh, "dış güçler" pays us to tell the truth to ignorant çomars who think they can produce F135 engine!! :cheesy:

You know what, yes our engineers can produce something like F135 or F110 engines, or something like F-16, after 5-10 years of R&D progress and $$billions budget. No we cannot produce them right in the current moment ahahaha this is utterly stupidd :rofl:
 
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Are you guys bot or something that sending same thing after and after? According to Wikipedia, we built F-16 as well lmao :omghaha:

That is ridiculous, you just produce some blades then import rest of the platform from outside, then combine those parts under supervision of the owner company is not "building" at all. You cannot build it by yourself if you want it so :laugh:

This level of ignorance while participating in a DEFENCE forum is... bewildering. I'm not even sure how to proceed from there. It seems you lack knowledge on even the most basic stuff about Turkey's defense industry and her past.

We need to start from the beginning with you, here, read this and find your own way after that regarding the Turkish defense industry, her ambitions, failures and success stories ;

https://www.yerliteknoloji.net/iste-turk-savunma-sanayisinin-tarihcesi.html
 
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Possible engine contender for TX;

Rolls-Royce Barrels Back Into Bizjets With Pearl Engine
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Rolls-Royce is reasserting its leadership in the business jet market with a new family of turbofans. The Pearl engines being unveiled here will range from 10,000- to 20,000-pounds-thrust; the first, the Pearl 15 at 15,125 pounds at ISA+15, will power Bombardier’s new Global 5500 and 6500 large-cabin, very-long–range jets. It is to enter service by the end of next year.

Rolls-Royce’s all-new Pearl 15 builds on technologies that have been under development for several years in the firm’s Advance2 program. The engine won EASA certification in February and is already flying on the first of Bombardier’s test aircraft. Key performance improvements over the BR710 that powers Bombardier’s current Global family include:

• 7% better specific fuel consumption

• a two-decibel reduction in noise, bringing it to 14 EPNdb under Stage 4

• up to 9% better takeoff thrust in hot and high conditions

• reduced NOx emissions with 35% more margin than the CAEP VI rules, with smoke emission margins 48% better than the already-excellent BR710 engine

“It is,” says Scott Shannon, senior VP for customers at Rolls-Royce Business Aviation, “the most efficient engine core available across the business aviation sector.”

While fitting the BR710’s weight and dimension footprint, Pearl 15 enables the aircraft to fly farther, faster, cleaner, and quieter,” says Dirk Geisinger, Pearl program director and chairman of Rolls Royce Deutschland.

Features include:

• a 48.5-inch titanium fan

• a new ten-stage HP compressor with six titanium blisk stages and a 40% higher compression ratio of 24:1 — world-class in this kind of engine, says Geisinger

• a new ultra-low emissions combustor to minimize emissions, noise, and NOx levels

• a new two-stage, shroudless high-pressure turbine with a fully modulated case cooling system to reduce fuel consumption and to ensure efficiency

• a three-stage shrouded low-pressure turbine enhanced for higher temperatures and pressures

Pearl 15 also puts into practice Rolls-Royce’s latest vision of an IntelligentEngine. It will constantly transmit 9,000 parameters of data to the company’s CustomerCare headquarters, which will be able to talk back to the powerplant’s Electronic Engine Control to help with analysis. The engine’s in-house-developed health monitoring system is among the most advanced in the world, making it the company’s first Internet-of-Things-enabled powerplant, Rolls-Royce says.

The goal, says Shannon, is to provide digital supercharging to customer support so the operator is hardly aware it is there. Rolls-Royce’s BR710 engine already has a dispatch reliability of about 99.97% and is logging just one unplanned removal per 100,000 engine flying hours, while the BR715 is approaching zero. Pearl is expected to do even better, he says.

‘We’re Back’

Five years ago Rolls-Royce saw its leadership in business jet engines begin to slide: Pratt & Whitney’s new PW800 and even Snecma’s brand new Silvercrest were winning deals on future aircraft, while Rolls was left out in the cold.

Was Rolls-Royce abandoning that market from a peak of powering nearly 50% of all business jets out there? (All the Gulfstreams, Bombardier Globals, Citation X and Embraer Legacy, numerous smaller jets with the Williams-Rolls FJ44, and early Hawkers?)

It said it wasn’t, even as Gulfstream announced its first aircraft to be powered by other than Rolls (the PW800-powered G500 and G600), GE’s new Passport engine won the Global 7000 and 8000, and Cessna deselected Rolls-Royce on the proposed Columbus in favor of Pratt & Whitney. The Columbus itself was abandoned, to be replaced by the Cessna Hemisphere, now held hostage to problems with Snecma’s Silvercrest.

Where was Rolls-Royce while all this was going on? Problems with its rapid expansion in commercial aviation overshadowed what many saw as a “small plane” market. But behind the scenes, engineers at business aviation’s Dahlewitz headquarters were reinventing the future with technologies for a blistering counter-attack.

The result: the new Pearl family of business jet engines, from 10,000- to 20,000-pounds-thrust, making possible Bombardier’s new Global 5500 and 6500 large-cabin, ultra-long-range aircraft, which will go head-to-head with the PW800-powered Gulfstream G500 and G600 in one of the most lucrative sectors in business aviation.

“We’re back,” the company says.

http://aviationweek.com/ebace-2018/rolls-royce-barrels-back-bizjets-pearl-engine
 
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Possible engine contender for TX;

Rolls-Royce Barrels Back Into Bizjets With Pearl Engine
DeRUaJkWAAA7D7R.jpg:large

Rolls-Royce is reasserting its leadership in the business jet market with a new family of turbofans. The Pearl engines being unveiled here will range from 10,000- to 20,000-pounds-thrust; the first, the Pearl 15 at 15,125 pounds at ISA+15, will power Bombardier’s new Global 5500 and 6500 large-cabin, very-long–range jets. It is to enter service by the end of next year.

Rolls-Royce’s all-new Pearl 15 builds on technologies that have been under development for several years in the firm’s Advance2 program. The engine won EASA certification in February and is already flying on the first of Bombardier’s test aircraft. Key performance improvements over the BR710 that powers Bombardier’s current Global family include:

• 7% better specific fuel consumption

• a two-decibel reduction in noise, bringing it to 14 EPNdb under Stage 4

• up to 9% better takeoff thrust in hot and high conditions

• reduced NOx emissions with 35% more margin than the CAEP VI rules, with smoke emission margins 48% better than the already-excellent BR710 engine

“It is,” says Scott Shannon, senior VP for customers at Rolls-Royce Business Aviation, “the most efficient engine core available across the business aviation sector.”

While fitting the BR710’s weight and dimension footprint, Pearl 15 enables the aircraft to fly farther, faster, cleaner, and quieter,” says Dirk Geisinger, Pearl program director and chairman of Rolls Royce Deutschland.

Features include:

• a 48.5-inch titanium fan

• a new ten-stage HP compressor with six titanium blisk stages and a 40% higher compression ratio of 24:1 — world-class in this kind of engine, says Geisinger

• a new ultra-low emissions combustor to minimize emissions, noise, and NOx levels

• a new two-stage, shroudless high-pressure turbine with a fully modulated case cooling system to reduce fuel consumption and to ensure efficiency

• a three-stage shrouded low-pressure turbine enhanced for higher temperatures and pressures

Pearl 15 also puts into practice Rolls-Royce’s latest vision of an IntelligentEngine. It will constantly transmit 9,000 parameters of data to the company’s CustomerCare headquarters, which will be able to talk back to the powerplant’s Electronic Engine Control to help with analysis. The engine’s in-house-developed health monitoring system is among the most advanced in the world, making it the company’s first Internet-of-Things-enabled powerplant, Rolls-Royce says.

The goal, says Shannon, is to provide digital supercharging to customer support so the operator is hardly aware it is there. Rolls-Royce’s BR710 engine already has a dispatch reliability of about 99.97% and is logging just one unplanned removal per 100,000 engine flying hours, while the BR715 is approaching zero. Pearl is expected to do even better, he says.

‘We’re Back’

Five years ago Rolls-Royce saw its leadership in business jet engines begin to slide: Pratt & Whitney’s new PW800 and even Snecma’s brand new Silvercrest were winning deals on future aircraft, while Rolls was left out in the cold.

Was Rolls-Royce abandoning that market from a peak of powering nearly 50% of all business jets out there? (All the Gulfstreams, Bombardier Globals, Citation X and Embraer Legacy, numerous smaller jets with the Williams-Rolls FJ44, and early Hawkers?)

It said it wasn’t, even as Gulfstream announced its first aircraft to be powered by other than Rolls (the PW800-powered G500 and G600), GE’s new Passport engine won the Global 7000 and 8000, and Cessna deselected Rolls-Royce on the proposed Columbus in favor of Pratt & Whitney. The Columbus itself was abandoned, to be replaced by the Cessna Hemisphere, now held hostage to problems with Snecma’s Silvercrest.

Where was Rolls-Royce while all this was going on? Problems with its rapid expansion in commercial aviation overshadowed what many saw as a “small plane” market. But behind the scenes, engineers at business aviation’s Dahlewitz headquarters were reinventing the future with technologies for a blistering counter-attack.

The result: the new Pearl family of business jet engines, from 10,000- to 20,000-pounds-thrust, making possible Bombardier’s new Global 5500 and 6500 large-cabin, ultra-long-range aircraft, which will go head-to-head with the PW800-powered Gulfstream G500 and G600 in one of the most lucrative sectors in business aviation.

“We’re back,” the company says.

http://aviationweek.com/ebace-2018/rolls-royce-barrels-back-bizjets-pearl-engine
Thrust is too low brother
 
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Possible engine contender for TX;

Rolls-Royce Barrels Back Into Bizjets With Pearl Engine
DeRUaJkWAAA7D7R.jpg:large

Rolls-Royce is reasserting its leadership in the business jet market with a new family of turbofans. The Pearl engines being unveiled here will range from 10,000- to 20,000-pounds-thrust; the first, the Pearl 15 at 15,125 pounds at ISA+15, will power Bombardier’s new Global 5500 and 6500 large-cabin, very-long–range jets. It is to enter service by the end of next year.

Rolls-Royce’s all-new Pearl 15 builds on technologies that have been under development for several years in the firm’s Advance2 program. The engine won EASA certification in February and is already flying on the first of Bombardier’s test aircraft. Key performance improvements over the BR710 that powers Bombardier’s current Global family include:

• 7% better specific fuel consumption

• a two-decibel reduction in noise, bringing it to 14 EPNdb under Stage 4

• up to 9% better takeoff thrust in hot and high conditions

• reduced NOx emissions with 35% more margin than the CAEP VI rules, with smoke emission margins 48% better than the already-excellent BR710 engine

“It is,” says Scott Shannon, senior VP for customers at Rolls-Royce Business Aviation, “the most efficient engine core available across the business aviation sector.”

While fitting the BR710’s weight and dimension footprint, Pearl 15 enables the aircraft to fly farther, faster, cleaner, and quieter,” says Dirk Geisinger, Pearl program director and chairman of Rolls Royce Deutschland.

Features include:

• a 48.5-inch titanium fan

• a new ten-stage HP compressor with six titanium blisk stages and a 40% higher compression ratio of 24:1 — world-class in this kind of engine, says Geisinger

• a new ultra-low emissions combustor to minimize emissions, noise, and NOx levels

• a new two-stage, shroudless high-pressure turbine with a fully modulated case cooling system to reduce fuel consumption and to ensure efficiency

• a three-stage shrouded low-pressure turbine enhanced for higher temperatures and pressures

Pearl 15 also puts into practice Rolls-Royce’s latest vision of an IntelligentEngine. It will constantly transmit 9,000 parameters of data to the company’s CustomerCare headquarters, which will be able to talk back to the powerplant’s Electronic Engine Control to help with analysis. The engine’s in-house-developed health monitoring system is among the most advanced in the world, making it the company’s first Internet-of-Things-enabled powerplant, Rolls-Royce says.

The goal, says Shannon, is to provide digital supercharging to customer support so the operator is hardly aware it is there. Rolls-Royce’s BR710 engine already has a dispatch reliability of about 99.97% and is logging just one unplanned removal per 100,000 engine flying hours, while the BR715 is approaching zero. Pearl is expected to do even better, he says.

‘We’re Back’

Five years ago Rolls-Royce saw its leadership in business jet engines begin to slide: Pratt & Whitney’s new PW800 and even Snecma’s brand new Silvercrest were winning deals on future aircraft, while Rolls was left out in the cold.

Was Rolls-Royce abandoning that market from a peak of powering nearly 50% of all business jets out there? (All the Gulfstreams, Bombardier Globals, Citation X and Embraer Legacy, numerous smaller jets with the Williams-Rolls FJ44, and early Hawkers?)

It said it wasn’t, even as Gulfstream announced its first aircraft to be powered by other than Rolls (the PW800-powered G500 and G600), GE’s new Passport engine won the Global 7000 and 8000, and Cessna deselected Rolls-Royce on the proposed Columbus in favor of Pratt & Whitney. The Columbus itself was abandoned, to be replaced by the Cessna Hemisphere, now held hostage to problems with Snecma’s Silvercrest.

Where was Rolls-Royce while all this was going on? Problems with its rapid expansion in commercial aviation overshadowed what many saw as a “small plane” market. But behind the scenes, engineers at business aviation’s Dahlewitz headquarters were reinventing the future with technologies for a blistering counter-attack.

The result: the new Pearl family of business jet engines, from 10,000- to 20,000-pounds-thrust, making possible Bombardier’s new Global 5500 and 6500 large-cabin, ultra-long-range aircraft, which will go head-to-head with the PW800-powered Gulfstream G500 and G600 in one of the most lucrative sectors in business aviation.

“We’re back,” the company says.

http://aviationweek.com/ebace-2018/rolls-royce-barrels-back-bizjets-pearl-engine

This is a different type of engine bro. It's a high bypass turbofan - the TF-X, like most fighters, will use low bypass.
 
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It "might" not be entirely, but components of it at least.
"Some" components...and they are not much.

For example Sweden producing F-414 engine for Gripen under licence (you can look up in wiki) however %80 of the parts used in the engine coming directly from US. In our case it was even lower.
 
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This level of ignorance while participating in a DEFENCE forum is... bewildering. I'm not even sure how to proceed from there. It seems you lack knowledge on even the most basic stuff about Turkey's defense industry and her past.

We need to start from the beginning with you, here, read this and find your own way after that regarding the Turkish defense industry, her ambitions, failures and success stories ;

https://www.yerliteknoloji.net/iste-turk-savunma-sanayisinin-tarihcesi.html
If Turkey can produce F110, then TFX will be a dual engine heavy class like F22.
 
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Yeahh, "dış güçler" pays us to tell the truth to ignorant çomars who think they can produce F135 engine!! :cheesy:
Haven't you got paid? C'mon man; they pay me in cash every month. You are literally working for free. :D :D

@Combat-Master I do not think civillian engines are fit for fighters. There are very big differences. Not just the compression ratios; literally everything including materials are different. Think it like that; opel corsa has 1.2 lt. engine. Bugatti has 16 lt. engine. Both use the same fuel, same working principles but everything is different.
 
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This is a different type of engine bro. It's a high bypass turbofan - the TF-X, like most fighters, will use low bypass.

Would such an engine not be feasible for TX (Trainer), AFAIK Freedom Jet was also being developed around a commercial engine.

Rollsroyce and SSM will come to a decision on engine for TF-X by July 31st.
 
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F119 is based on the experience developing F110.
Ameericans have been devoloping jet engines almost 80 years. İt is not easy to thrive. İt is not automobile tuning such as enhancing with additional devices.
 
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