Tesla FSD 11.4: It's time for those who doubted the Tesla AI team to apologize and admit they were wrong

[serenity]

We are talking about full street driving not just highway lane changing.



Are you sure Dongfeng’s self-driving cars are the above one and not one of these:

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Those you selected are not for commercial passenger use.

China has had buses and many other forms of road vehicles that are completely autonomous operating, being used since 2018. Most of those bus types were relegated to special areas and roads sure but now there are robot taxis operating in usual city roads. However those do use LIDAR rather than machine vision like Tesla.

As for autonomous vehicles that are commercial passenger cars:

Nio has been doing it for years and been available for purchase and use since 2018. Some examples of test runs by others shared on youtube:

Nio's old system shown there above. More basic that the later LIDAR based ones currently in use and on sale.

Huawei has their own OS and FSD ecosystem that they cooperate with some carmakers. For example this one with AVATR 11.

Xpeng, Nio, Huawei, FAW (Hongqi), Zeekr, Voyah, Li Auto, Leap Motor, AITO, Seres, Geely, Changan, GAC, and a dozen more I'm not familiar with and can't remember off the top of my head, all use some form of FSD capability from L2 to L4, most of them are L3. A few of those use nVidia chips.

All of them as far as I'm aware do not apply machine vision which Tesla uses. The machine vision is certainly more difficult and impressive but Tesla is still developing it in testing. Yes LIDAR method is faster solution and less technically impressive (but still amazing) but so far only US and China are in this race. Others are simply buying componentry or entire ecosystem from various developers and suppliers.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Those you selected are not for commercial passenger use.

China has had buses and many other forms of road vehicles that are completely autonomous operating, being used since 2018. Most of those bus types were relegated to special areas and roads sure but now there are robot taxis operating in usual city roads. However those do use LIDAR rather than machine vision like Tesla.

Yes there are other threads about commercial autonomous vehicles like Waymo which have been open to the public since 2018.

You can now hail a ride in a fully autonomous vehicle, courtesy of Waymo

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/waymo-now-a-full-ride-hailing-service/ Waymo Google’s autonomous driving company Waymo will soon make its official debut as a full-scale service on public streets. Arizona gave Waymo transportation network company (TNC) status on January 24, following the...

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But this thread is about non-commercial regular consumer vehicles

As for autonomous vehicles that are commercial passenger cars:

Nio has been doing it for years and been available for purchase and use since 2018.

Full-self driving available to NIO owners since 2018?

You sure about that? This talks about in 2020 only a system that can handle highways

NIO OS 2.7.0 released, brings NOP driver assistance feature - CnTechPost

From October 10, Chinese premium electric car maker NIO (NYSE: NIO) started pushing NIO OS 2.7.0 update to ES6, ES8 and EC6 vehicles with current version 2.6.0 and above via FOTA.

cntechpost.com

Maybe you should dbl-check.

Xpeng, Nio, Huawei, FAW (Hongqi), Zeekr, Voyah, Li Auto, Leap Motor, AITO, Seres, Geely, Changan, GAC, and a dozen more I'm not familiar with and can't remember off the top of my head, all use some form of FSD capability from L2 to L4, most of them are L3. A few of those use nVidia chips.

All of them as far as I'm aware do not apply machine vision which Tesla uses. The machine vision is certainly more difficult and impressive but Tesla is still developing it in testing. Yes LIDAR method is faster solution and less technically impressive (but still amazing) but so far only US and China are in this race. Others are simply buying componentry or entire ecosystem from various developers and suppliers.

I think the only Chinese company that has released any street self-driving to customers is XPeng and that was like a month ago.

Chinese EV maker Xpeng expands self-driving capability to Beijing

A software upgrade will give some Xpeng models the ability to drive themselves through Beijing’s streets starting on Thursday, and the company aims to expand self-driving to ‘dozens of cities’ this year.

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Tesla’s FSD beta has been available to all Tesla owners in North America since November 2022 (~400,000 possible users). Before that only selected people could use it since October 2020.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Guy puts his elderly mother in the driver’s seat of his FSD enabled car.

 

[khansaheeb]

It's time for those who doubted the Tesla AI team to apologize and admit they were wrong​

Kashmiri-American Omar Qazi takes FSD for a spin

Remember this car is driving using only computer vision, AI, and Garmin quality maps. No pre-calculated road maps...all dynamically interpreted.

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No hands needed on steering wheel. Camera inside car watches the eyes of the driver to make sure they are alert.

It's great on a road with light traffic. What would it do if the traffic light fails, a large sheet of newspaper flys across it, or a bright light glares at the camera, heavy snow, heavy rain, pot hole in the road, can it make judgement calls beyond it's programming etc. It would be good as a driving assistant, wouldn't give it full control.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It's great on a road with light traffic. What would it do if the traffic light fails, a large sheet of newspaper flys across it, or a bright light glares at the camera,

It warns the user to take over if conditions are getting bad. If no user interaction it does what people do in situations like a white out and pulls over and stops.

heavy snow, heavy rain, pot hole in the road, can it make judgement calls beyond it's programming etc. It would be good as a driving assistant, wouldn't give it full control.

It eventually should be able to do as much as a person can do with only eyesight.

 

[LeGenD]

One man in Pakistan got an excellent deal for Tesla Model S P75D through PakWheels. His video reveals how advanced Tesla is. He pointed out that German cars have top notch finishing but Tesla is most advanced and capable. This car impressed even his grand mother and she is not easily impressed.

Tesla is revolution.

 

[khansaheeb]

It warns the user to take over if conditions are getting bad. If no user interaction it does what people do in situations like a white out and pulls over and stops.

It eventually should be able to do as much as a person can do with only eyesight.

will it be able to spot an oil slick on the road

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

will it be able to spot an oil slick on the road

If your eyes can identify an oil slick in the road the Tesla’s eyes should too eventually. This is why LIDAR isn’t going to solve the last 5% of the problems.

 

[khansaheeb]

If your eyes can identify an oil slick in the road the Tesla’s eyes should too eventually. This is why LIDAR isn’t going to solve the last 5% of the problems.

There are lots of things eyes can't solve hence a lot of fatal accidents

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

There are lots of things eyes can't solve hence a lot of fatal accidents

Unfortunately using magic is not an option.

 

[khansaheeb]

Unfortunately using magic is not an option.

I think semi-autonomous is the way to go, wouldn't trust a nachine to drive a car after the 737 Max crashes.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684471747104616448

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Tesla Full Self-Driving Beta is Approaching a ChatGPT Moment​

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

FSD flooded streets

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Elon Musk live streams V12 of FSD

https://twitter.com/x/status/1695247110030119054