Terrorist Attack On PAF camp Badaber : 29 people massacred, 13 terrorists killed.

[Devil Soul]

Asma Jhangir's missing persons ...
glad that they are killed otherwise Ch Iftikhars love child judges would have suspended their sentences


he needs to provide some proof rather than speaking like a TV host.

if he is so convinced then share more details about how he knows and what is the location of the planners/ directors inside Afghanistan.

SSG teams should be sent accross the border to gather evidence and best to bring one of such planners back. something which will be irrefutable and hard to dodge by any alleged foreign handler state or non-state actor/ director

just talk cannot prove anything give avidence.

DG ISPR says, “We have recordings which reveal the attack was controlled from Afghanistan.”
lets see when they make it public, which i hardly doubt

 

[VCheng]

there is no security improvement. the terrorists only went in slumber and hiding due to the operation. they need to be pursued constantly in the cities and tribal areas and eliminated. their icon of terror and defiance Red Mosque administration still exists in the capital and the controversial cleric openly mocks the army and the state but no action is taken against him

That is a basic problem with maintaining an effective defensive posture across a multitude of relatively soft targets. The bastards have to get lucky just once, but the effort and cost of being vigilant accrues constantly.

 

[Spring Onion]

he needs to provide some proof rather than speaking like a TV host.

if he is so convinced then share more details about how he knows and what is the location of the planners/ directors inside Afghanistan.

SSG teams should be sent accross the border to gather evidence and best to bring one of such planners back. something which will be irrefutable and hard to dodge by any alleged foreign handler state or non-state actor/ director

1. Since the call to made to claim responsibility for the attack has said to be made from Afghanistan
2. Since Mansoor Omar or Omar Mansoor (whatever is the sequence) is said to be the mastermind of this attack and he is in Afghanistan
3 Their communication has been intercepted and the records has been obtained

So these could be the basis for his statement . As far as sending SSGs to Afghanistan well even in mess the fact is Afghanistan is a sovereign country you cant just send your uniformed personnel to take someone out but yes if we can have a mutual pact

 

[Shamain]

They always have multiple plans in the pipeline. Whatever is most feasible, they will do that. Had they really wanted to hit kamra, they would have done it, but from last few attacks it seems they are now just after killing people. The APS attack, then the attacks on Imambargah in Peshawar and another one, the attacks on Christian worshippers, all now suggest they just want to create maximum casualty, they don;t now wanna hit assets, soft targets.

Its a sign of desperation. They want to bring back the fear they used to have with bomb blasts, since that is now much hard to do, thus the easy way is send trained men from across border, arm them here and send them to a target to kill people.
Protecting soft targets is difficult when compared to hard targets.

We as of now don't know who these 16 people in the masjid were, how many civilians and how many military guys.

See latest news coming, 29 dead from our side with 23 from just air force, rest army and civilians.

If tey wanted to mass kill ppl like they did in imambargah and church attack, they could have repeated it. They were able to get inside the city with all weaponry on their person without gettng caught, they could have gone to any part of the city and carried out he blasts IF their aim was to kill the civilians. Well no doubt they wnat to spread terror whether they attack civilian places or military installations.

But if we recall APS wasnt just a mass killing attack, there were many army officers whose kids were studying there and wives were working as teachers. Their aim was to cause emotional and psychological trauma to our forces who were fiercely engaged in zarb e azb clean up and hence dent their morales.

This incident seems exactly similar to APS except that this time they cudnt hurt anyone's family, kids, wife etc.

 

[ravindra1455]

If tey wanted to mass kill ppl like they did in imambargah and church attack, they could have repeated it. They were able to get inside the city with all weaponry on their person without gettng caught, they could have gone to any part of the city and carried out he blasts IF their aim was to kill the civilians. Well no doubt they wnat to spread terror whether they attack civilian places or military installations.

But if we recall APS wasnt just a mass killing attack, there were many army officers whose kids were studying there and wives were working as teachers. Their aim was to cause emotional and psychological trauma to our forces who were fiercely engaged in zarb e azb clean up and hence dent their morales.

This incident seems exactly similar to APS except that this time they cudnt hurt anyone's family, kids, wife etc.

PESHAWAR: At least 42 people, including 13 terrorists, were killed as the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) camp at Inqalab road in Peshawar's Badaber area came under attack by Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) militants early Friday.

rest in peace all soldier

 

[Spring Onion]

he needs to provide some proof rather than speaking like a TV host.

if he is so convinced then share more details about how he knows and what is the location of the planners/ directors inside Afghanistan.

SSG teams should be sent accross the border to gather evidence and best to bring one of such planners back. something which will be irrefutable and hard to dodge by any alleged foreign handler state or non-state actor/ director

1. Since the call made to claim responsibility for the attack has said to be made from Afghanistan
2. Since Mansoor Omar or Omar Mansoor (whatever is the sequence) is said to be the mastermind of this attack and he is in Afghanistan
3 Their communication has been intercepted and the records has been obtained

So these could be the basis for his statement . As far as sending SSGs to Afghanistan well even in mess the fact is Afghanistan is a sovereign country you cant just send your uniformed personnel to take someone out but yes if we can have a mutual pact

 

[New World]

why do I feel fishy fishy... whenever former/current terrorist sympathizer is arrested an attack on forces occur..

 

[Bratva]

Of the 29 dead, 16 PAF soldiers were killed in a mosque as they offered morning prayers. Seven other PAF soldiers were killed in a barrack near the mosque. “A captain died leading the counter-attack against raiders and two soldiers were also killed,” DG ISPR said.

Security officials said the attackers split into three groups after entering the camp, with two moving to a residential area.

The third group approached the mosque and sprayed worshippers with bullets as they prayed, killing at least 16 of them. It was not clear how many were civilians and how many were military personnel.

It was unclear if the 16 killed in the mosque at the Badaber air base were civilians or military, he added. “Terrorists entered camp at two points. Encounter began immediately,” Bajwa tweeted. The attackers “were contained within a close area. Meanwhile a group rushed to mosque, martyred 16 offering prayers.”

 

[saurav]

RIP to all martyred.

 

[Albatross]

Sneak attacks and asymmetric warfare is always going to be the reality between two hostile neighbors armed with nukes which preclude a hot war.

Personally, I've been on PDF long enough not to feel bad or outraged when their guys (or gals) gloat at attacks on our soil.

Its par for the course.

Does not mean we should do the same.

But calling a spade a spade is part and parcel of a forum for discussion.

Which is how this entire brouhaha from the usual suspects started. Holier than thou.

Horus made a comment about Doval saab smirking. And I put things into perspective for Horus.

What is India going to gain from knocking down 16 people?

Would the NSA of a 1.25 billion strong nation spend 5 minutes of his time on such a hit?

If anything, a naval base type hit would be something which would warrant his attention.

My first post on the thread was exactly on the same track. When I asked Fatman about assets on the base attacked. Not that I expected him to answer if there were. But it explains the line of thought.

Unless there was a high value target expected to be there at the time of the attack, this was not a RAW sanctioned hit. Period.

There was a weapon depot next to Camp which if detonated would have caused greater damage you can see same on google map. Rest Pakistans stance on Kashmir was based on principles on which subcontinent was divided and no indian can logically refute kashmiries claim for self determination that Pakistan support.

But indian support for terror in Pakistan is merely based on the desire to weaken Pakistan to an extent where it is no more than an Indian colony like Bangladesh something they are failing in for decades and such attacks prove their desperation also keep in mind dying baloch rebel movement in balochistan so RAW and doval has to keep on doing something to make themselves feel relevant .

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[Spring Onion]

Of the 29 dead, 16 PAF soldiers were killed in a mosque as they offered morning prayers. Seven other PAF soldiers were killed in a barrack near the mosque. “A captain died leading the counter-attack against raiders and two soldiers were also killed,” DG ISPR said.

Security officials said the attackers split into three groups after entering the camp, with two moving to a residential area.

The third group approached the mosque and sprayed worshippers with bullets as they prayed, killing at least 16 of them. It was not clear how many were civilians and how many were military personnel.

It was unclear if the 16 killed in the mosque at the Badaber air base were civilians or military, he added. “Terrorists entered camp at two points. Encounter began immediately,” Bajwa tweeted. The attackers “were contained within a close area. Meanwhile a group rushed to mosque, martyred 16 offering prayers.”

23 from PAF, 3 civilians, 3 pak army

 

[Bratva]

PAF base attack planned in Afghanistan: DG ISPR
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Military spokesperson Major General Asim Bajwa said on Friday a Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) splinter group had planned, executed and operated the attack on Pakistan Air Force base in Peshawar from Afghanistan.

“We have recordings which reveal the attack was planned executed and controlled from Afghanistan,” DG ISPR said while addressing the media in Peshawar, hours after the attack which left 29 dead.

Read: At least 18 killed, including army captain, as militants attack PAF base in Peshawar

Confirming the death toll, DG ISPR said, “29 people, including an army captain and soldiers, were killed as Taliban gunmen stormed a Pakistan Air Force base in Peshawar.”

“Around 5am, 13 to 14 militants entered the PAF base.”

“The militants came in a car and used rocket launchers to enter the gate and they divided into two groups. We effectively and instantly curtailed them.”

Elaborating on the attack, the military spokesperson said a quick reaction force reached within 10 minutes and ‘engaged’ the militants. He added that it is possible that the attackers had some sort of inside information.

“There was a mosque on the side and worshipers were waiting for theazaan, when one group attacked them. Sixteen people waiting to pray were killed and nine people doing wuzu were also killed.”

Bajwa added that the quick reaction force surrounded eight of the militants present in the mosque and killed them. “By 9:30am, all militants had been killed.”

Reiterating the resolve to eliminate terrorism, Bajwa said, “Operation Zarb-e-Azb is continuing and will until the elimination of the last terrorist.”

 

[Zarvan]

Were all PAF soldiers or relatives ?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

. As far as sending SSGs to Afghanistan well even in mess the fact is Afghanistan is a sovereign country you cant just send your uniformed personnel to take someone out but yes if we can have a mutual pact

covert ops.. i am not saying we go there guns blazing with our flags
.. Afghanistan sovereignty is only within the close proximity of presidential palace in Kabul.

 

[vsdoc]

There was a weapon depot next to Camp which if detonated would have caused greater damage you can see same on google map. Rest Pakistans stance on Kashmir was based on principles on which subcontinent was divided and no indian can logically refute kashmiries claim for self determination that Pakistan support.

But indian support for terror in Pakistan is merely based on the desire to weaken Pakistan to an extent where it is no more than an Indian colony like Bangladesh something they are failing in for decades and such attacks prove their desperation also keep in mind dying baloch rebel movement in balochistan so RAW and doval has to keep on doing something to make themselves feel relevant .

I have yet to see any credible proof of Indian hand in terror in Pakistan.

This is not about principles. This is about national interests.

If you hit us here, we will hit you somewhere else. Harder. Disproportionately.

The days of knights in shining armor, carved lances, and white stallions are good for the story books.

Let me put forward a hypothetical scenario.

India killed the Kashmir insurgency by locking Pakistan up on its western borders.

India needed to extract its due pound of flesh for 26/11. It did.

Now India felt it was enough. The red mist had gone. Blood for blood had been extracted. Kashmir was dead.

So India picked its foot off the pedal.

And what does India (and its new hardline leadership) find?

Pakistan basking in their "success" against their internal insurgencies. The sabres are unsheathed. Amrika is going. Now see how we will handle you. Afghanistan is lost. etc etc etc

Kashmir finds life again.

What does India do? Does it allow things to slip back to the 80s and 90s?