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Terrorism have no religion "List of people killed in 2008 Mumbai attack, who were Muslims.

Casualties of the 2008 Mumbai attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Names of the Muslims killed in the attack
Sohel Abdul Sheikh(5) Siddhiq Firoz Sheikh(39) Heena Sheikh (16), Shabira Majid Sheikh (40), Hasina Sheikh (20), Manora Begam (60), M ukhtar Sheikh (45), Abdul Razak (22), Frook Nasiruddin Khaliluddin (53), Asif Mohammed (26), Firoz Khan (44), Ramzan Sharif Kadar (23), Abdul Salam Qureshi(50), Fakir Mohammed (38), Unknown (40), Abdul Rashid (45), Mohammed Siddique (29), Nafisa Sadaf Qureshi (46), Unknown (60), Imran Bagwan Babu (33), Sabbir Abdul Dalal (52), Miraj Alam (24), Mumtaz Khan (28), Rehmant Ali Sheikh (17), Mohammed Ayub Abdul Ansari(25), Habibul Rahman Khan (30), Afroz Abbas Ansari (30), Mohammed Parvez Ansari (27), Ibrahim Abdul Rehman (45), Asif Babubhai Menan, Manvara Ali Sheikh (60), Hawa Begam Abdul Sheikh (25), Sahabaj Zakir Khan (29), Raziyabegum Ayub Qureshi (35)

It would be clear that Terrorism has no religion and Innocent lives have nothing to do with their barbaric acts. Need Views of members How Muslim Nations or world and Muslim community help to protect world against the terrorist. (the author of thread has nothing to do with religion or any allegation on any one, plz ignore trolls and give your valuable ideas in increasing the defence of people of the countries and world) .
Ofcourse it does have a religion.
The Muslims above were killed merely because they were at the wrong place..mingling with people of other religions.

There is just one religion today that is inherently violent against everyone else.
 
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False flag attack.

India's list of accused consisted of village farmers who were either dead or so poor they couldn't even leave their village.

This is not language of a Pakistani.


I think Indians need to take a long hard look at their government as they are the real terrorists. They terrorize their own people and their neighbors.

Hindu extremist organisations have been accused of involvement in terrorist attacks like 2006 Malegaon blasts, Mecca Masjid bombing (Hyderabad), Samjhauta Express bombings and the Ajmer sharif dargah blast.

Please tell me OP how will Hindus help protect the world from terrorists?

Pakistan finally admits - Kasab is Pakistani
 
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Terrorism may be without religion but motive of terrorism is not without religion in most of the cases.
 
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Ofcourse it does have a religion.
The Muslims above were killed merely because they were at the wrong place..mingling with people of other religions.

There is just one religion today that is inherently violent against everyone else.
Many time we take all the people responsible, which is not the truth. we need to see why its happen, first Muslim people have no connection to the world as its needed which creates the hurdle, second Muslims are targeted for the many things, just example, for killing 4000 to 5000 innocent people at WTC tower we are very much sensitive, but when there is case of killing no. of innocent at Iraq we are absolute silent why? attack on France is seen to every one, but the insult of mohd. Paygamber by putting wrong cartoon is unseen to the world? The surprice is no Muslim countries took this issue with unity in UNO and raise to control the freedom of expression which are used to hurt the beliefs of communities.

Once one Irani Member start a thread here in india defence that what are views of Indians for Israel attack in which innocent women and children are died; and many indian member blame the HAMAS but support the Humanity to not to kill and bomb on innocent. That fellow also critisise the HAMAS, Al-queda and ISIS and said that they are not muslims. It would be also better to see that many Muslims are also victimise of barberic acts of the Terrorists, ISIS kill many Muslims, Mosque are destroyed by Muslims, Peshawar act for killing innocent children were by Muslims, and victims were muslims. The World want to target the Muslims as a soft Targets on name of Terrorism by one community, It would be better to Not to blame any community and rather to terrorists for their crime. Many Muslims hate the terrorists who are used as weapons for political purpose, on name of religion, and condemn the same, but yes the good Musalman today suffer a lot for their beliefs, and world need to think twice and to believe the difference of good Muslims and Terrorists.........................
The act of Australia recently to not to see Terrorists as Muslims is the Good Action, we need to follow.
If Terrorist use Nuclear material which is not nuke that will be dirty bomb; and by name of Bunker Bluster Bomb use of Uranium and to spoil the land by nuke material is not become the dirty bomb? we become judge easily.

Terrorism may be without religion but motive of terrorism is not without religion in most of the cases.
But behind that there is political benefits, and to spoil innocent brains in name of religion. During the Mubai attack terrorist found calling to the sender on satelite phone that plz, pray for him to Allah to give him Heaven. This is show how brains are spoiled and hate injections are given, so they can never understand what is right and what is wrong. the main target must be not terrorist, but the people who train the terrorist mind in such way, that would learn lession to people who make poor people terrorist and send them for their purpose.
 
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There are some things surprising and erratic about the Mumbai attacks. Something I have listed here in my article:

1 Pakistan and Bangladesh based militants with the support of ISI have been blamed for almost every attack in India. Can it really be true that no attack takes place without Pakistan being blamed even though India makes 1/5th of the World Population and is known for religious violence?

We blame you and you blame us. Nothing surprising and earth shattering. Now come to the specifics.

2 The terrorists were talking in Hindi their speaking style their interviews with the media proved they were from Hyderabad as was stated by them. Many Hyderabadis themselves confirmed that they really were from the region of Hyderabad seeing their speaking style and interview.

Everyone can hear the voice intercepts and it is clearly urdu. I am from Hyderabad and I can tell you that it is not Hyderabadi Hindi.

Also now we know the the six voices from across the border who were in the control room located near Karachi airport as Wassi, Zarar(Zarar Shah), Jundal(Abu Hamza aka Zabiuddin Ansari), Buzurg(Hafeed Saeed), Major General(Iqbal of ISI) and Kafa(Zaki ur Rahman Lakvi) ” the names with which the terrorists addressed them.


Read more at: Tutor of the 26/ 11 terrorists : North, News - India Today

3 Hemant Karkare had implicated Colonel Prasad Purohit and a number of Indian Hindu terrorists for the attacks and stated that some BJP leaders could be responsible for the attacks. He was killed within the first 10 minutes of the attack. Several BJP leaders have said that "he got what he deserved" and some fanatic hindu websites stated he was a "slave of muslims"

ATS chief Hemant Karkare was killed in the firing along with some of his crew while he was in hot pursuit on the night of 26/11. One of the surviving crew one Mr. Yadav narrated how Mr Karkare died. So, we have eyewitness account of that night.

Yes, Mr Karkare exposed some hindu elements relating to the Malegaon blasts and there were threats from these extremists. How is that related to how he died?

4 It is speculated that Hemant Karkares widow did not take Modi’s compensation for this very reason and she knew he was trying to capitalize on the anger left after the attacks as a basis to demonize Muslims and blame Pakistan. Several people suggested she might have thought or known he was responsible for the attacks as well. Why did Karkares wife deny the compensation if she did not know that there was definitely something fishy surrounding the murder of here husband?

Hemant Karkare was ATF chief of Maharastra and Modi was CM of Gujarat. I don't see the link.

5 Hemant Karkare received death threats from Hindu fanatics a day before he was killed and he had exposed a group named Abhinav Bharat and had said it was involved in previous attacks against Muslims. Could this have been the cause of his death and the members of this shadowy outfit the perpetuators?

See my explanation above.

6 Indian forces inability to stop only 10 terrorists who caused so much damage casts major doubts about the Indian government description of the events. Several people are wondering how just 10 terrorists could cause such a massive scale of carnage killing over 170 civilians without being stopped.

After Peshawar school attack, I don't think I have to explain much. These terrorists attacked mostly densely populated places in mumbai in coordinated attacks at 5 different places.

7 The timing of the attacks could not be any better. Elections were just a few days ahead and this attack was set to give BJP a Right Wing Hindu Nationalist Party a major boost in the elections.

Conspiracy at best.

8 Jamaat Ud Dawa is a charity and all of Pakistan rallies in its support and surprisingly even the Hindus and Christians in Pakistan rallied for it claiming it was in no way a terrorist organization as it provided them with education and healthcare. JuD have over 180 schools, 40000 students and thousands who live on their aid and medical supplies daily. Is this really a terrorist organization or a victim of the same blame its neighbours that India has been doing for years. Shweta Mayur has specifically raised this point.

We blamed LeT and its chief because the evidence was pointing to his role in this operation. Even CIA had the same information and hence the bounty on his head and LeT being declared a terrorist organization.

9 Why was Mr Qasab wearing a band that only Hindus can wear? This is the greatest blow and reveals the truth about the attacks and the attackers. The band he was wearing is a band that is worn by Hindu terrorists of the RSS.
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It was revealed later by Abu Jundal aka Abu Hamza whose real name was Zabuiddin Ansari that these 10 ten terrorists were hand picked for this operation and were trained even in Hindi words and diction. He was nabbed by Saudi Arabia and handed over to India and has ever since been talking like a canary bird. He revealed that the control room in Karachi was later destroyed by ISI.

I will answer the rest when I get a chance.
 
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For God's sake, not this 'Kafir' BS again.

From an Islamic perspective, we can't even call most Non-Muslims Kafir, never mind other Muslims. Only God can decide who is Kafir, so unless anyone here considers himself to be God, stop wasting time with this Kafir nonsense. I have been repeating this for a while now, on many threads (like here and here) This (my) argument is solid from a theological viewpoint, so no questioning the Islamic-ness of this : Kafir does not mean non-Muslim. Kafir can not be used to refer to non-practicing or misguided Muslims. Kafir is not the answer to disagreements. (This is addressed to both misguided Muslims and misguided non-Muslims)


So you agree with (at least some of) the points? Good to see a voice from the inside and some 'national introspection' but I'm still waiting for the inevitable counter arguments.



How about you answer the points instead of bringing up your own? Respond to the argument, don't dodge it. None of this addresses the points. We have our faults, we admit it and work to solve it. It's about time you do the same.

It wasn't 'off limits' if people from the FBI could go in there and have a look themselves. Your own media reported it.
FBI sleuths visit Kasab’s village - Economic Times

The Pakistani journalists had enough access to come to many conclusions, including this one:
Pakistani journalist reveals how 26/11 butcher Qasab was sold to terror group LeT by his parents for Rs 1.5 lakh | Daily Mail Online

How could they do that if the village was so 'off limits'?

Obviously, it was under scrutiny and all because of how important the area had become. Nothing wrong in that, except the occasional mistreatment of journalists which everyone unequivocally condemned.

What are you even trying to say here - that they 'mingled' with the local populace enough or not?

Or they could simply know it through surveillance, informants or simple 'word on the street' and plan their attack accordingly. All the webs you spun here are irrelevant.


Read the point again:

It doesn't matter whether he was caught on CCTV or mobile camera. The point he made here is that it was very convenient. Nothing else. He was walking at or around the train station. Doesn't matter where he went or what jeep he took after that, the point still stands.

Because he was known to be involved in illegal activities and was accused by India itself - investigating the accusations doesn't mean admitting fault.

When did China ever defend Hafeez Saeed 'earlier'? Anyways, It's their perfectly rational and understandable choice if they want to stay out of it.
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For God's sake, not this 'Kafir' BS again.

From an Islamic perspective, we can't even call most Non-Muslims Kafir, never mind other Muslims. Only God can decide who is Kafir, so unless anyone here considers himself to be God, stop wasting time with this Kafir nonsense. I have been repeating this for a while now, on many threads (like here and here) This (my) argument is solid from a theological viewpoint, so no questioning the Islamic-ness of this : Kafir does not mean non-Muslim. Kafir can not be used to refer to non-practicing or misguided Muslims. Kafir is not the answer to disagreements. (This is addressed to both misguided Muslims and misguided non-Muslims)


So you agree with (at least some of) the points? Good to see a voice from the inside and some 'national introspection' but I'm still waiting for the inevitable counter arguments.



How about you answer the points instead of bringing up your own? Respond to the argument, don't dodge it. None of this addresses the points. We have our faults, we admit it and work to solve it. It's about time you do the same.

It wasn't 'off limits' if people from the FBI could go in there and have a look themselves. Your own media reported it.
FBI sleuths visit Kasab’s village - Economic Times

The Pakistani journalists had enough access to come to many conclusions, including this one:
Pakistani journalist reveals how 26/11 butcher Qasab was sold to terror group LeT by his parents for Rs 1.5 lakh | Daily Mail Online

How could they do that if the village was so 'off limits'?

Obviously, it was under scrutiny and all because of how important the area had become. Nothing wrong in that, except the occasional mistreatment of journalists which everyone unequivocally condemned.

What are you even trying to say here - that they 'mingled' with the local populace enough or not?

Or they could simply know it through surveillance, informants or simple 'word on the street' and plan their attack accordingly. All the webs you spun here are irrelevant.


Read the point again:

It doesn't matter whether he was caught on CCTV or mobile camera. The point he made here is that it was very convenient. Nothing else. He was walking at or around the train station. Doesn't matter where he went or what jeep he took after that, the point still stands.

Because he was known to be involved in illegal activities and was accused by India itself - investigating the accusations doesn't mean admitting fault.

When did China ever defend Hafeez Saeed 'earlier'? Anyways, It's their perfectly rational and understandable choice if they want to stay out of it.

What? Your choice, that's why. Your politics. Perhaps to mask involvement or to silence people. India did it (arresting own people) - India is supposed to explain it, not us.

If you're going to make such weak arguments you're better off staying quiet instead.


What is funny is you post a link saying that Kasab is Pakistani and then ask me to debate my earlier reply.....so you accept that Kasab was a Pakistani and LeT- a Pakistani terror group supported by isi ( Musharraf admitted to funding terror groups against India)

My original reply was to remove any delusions that Kasab was indian as stated by haviZsultan.


About the journalist- once the first guy revealed that Kasab was Pakistani, the place was cordoned off by the isi and journalists were prevented( which I made clear in my previous post itself). No one got access to the place or Kasab family after that...so you premise that it was not the case is bullshit

Kasabs pic was taken from the security CCTV camera from the hotel. It was a vedio footage from the hotel....the original footage had other terrorists pic also. But kasabs pic was highlighted coz he was the one who was caught alive . If we dint show that footage you guys would have claimed that he was not involved.......his pic was not taken after he left the hotel but inside the hotel.so there is nothing that is left to chance as you claim.

The entire argument of my earlier response was to prove that Kasab was Pakistani. And 26/11 was not some rss operation as believed by delusional minded people some of your country men why continue to remain so even when Pakistan has clearly accepted that they were Pakistani( though Pak govt claims them as Pakistani non state actors to save its own ***)

So basically you have accepted that he was Pakistani by sighting a Pakistani paper but still continue to argue that he was not.....weak arguments my arse...your own post contradicts you ...so delusional

And about the samjauhta case...we have clearly stated that the perpetrators were indian and they have been arrested? So what do you want the govt to explain?...we did no scam there...
 
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This debate is futile.... It seems they haven't learnt anything even after Peshawar......
 
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Many time we take all the people responsible, which is not the truth. we need to see why its happen, first Muslim people have no connection to the world as its needed which creates the hurdle, second Muslims are targeted for the many things, just example, for killing 4000 to 5000 innocent people at WTC tower we are very much sensitive, but when there is case of killing no. of innocent at Iraq we are absolute silent why? attack on France is seen to every one, but the insult of mohd. Paygamber by putting wrong cartoon is unseen to the world? The surprice is no Muslim countries took this issue with unity in UNO and raise to control the freedom of expression which are used to hurt the beliefs of communities.

Once one Irani Member start a thread here in india defence that what are views of Indians for Israel attack in which innocent women and children are died; and many indian member blame the HAMAS but support the Humanity to not to kill and bomb on innocent. That fellow also critisise the HAMAS, Al-queda and ISIS and said that they are not muslims. It would be also better to see that many Muslims are also victimise of barberic acts of the Terrorists, ISIS kill many Muslims, Mosque are destroyed by Muslims, Peshawar act for killing innocent children were by Muslims, and victims were muslims. The World want to target the Muslims as a soft Targets on name of Terrorism by one community, It would be better to Not to blame any community and rather to terrorists for their crime. Many Muslims hate the terrorists who are used as weapons for political purpose, on name of religion, and condemn the same, but yes the good Musalman today suffer a lot for their beliefs, and world need to think twice and to believe the difference of good Muslims and Terrorists.........................
The act of Australia recently to not to see Terrorists as Muslims is the Good Action, we need to follow.
If Terrorist use Nuclear material which is not nuke that will be dirty bomb; and by name of Bunker Bluster Bomb use of Uranium and to spoil the land by nuke material is not become the dirty bomb? we become judge easily.


But behind that there is political benefits, and to spoil innocent brains in name of religion. During the Mubai attack terrorist found calling to the sender on satelite phone that plz, pray for him to Allah to give him Heaven. This is show how brains are spoiled and hate injections are given, so they can never understand what is right and what is wrong. the main target must be not terrorist, but the people who train the terrorist mind in such way, that would learn lession to people who make poor people terrorist and send them for their purpose.
If you equate drawing mohammad's cartoons to charlie hebdo then there is something wrong with you.
No other religious group acts the way a particular group does.

The reality is that most religious oppression happens in Muslim countries.
The reality is that the most violence against other groups happens in Muslim countries.
The reality is that freedom of religion of every other religion is most curtailed in Muslim countries.

That should give you a hint of what Muslims do. Conveniently saying "ISIS is not Muslim'' is just a canard. One that people across the globe are steadily and increasingly rejecting as false.

We see that even apart from ISIS, countries which do not allow fellow humans to practice their faiths are largely Muslim countries.
Violence and discrimination of other religions is largely in Muslim countries.

So its not just a question of ISIS, its a holistic issue and in every parameter its the Muslims who are standing out.

Ýou can wish to ignore these uncomfortable facts, it is entirely upto you.
 
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1 Pakistan and Bangladesh based militants with the support of ISI have been blamed for almost every attack in India. Can it really be true that no attack takes place without Pakistan being blamed even though India makes 1/5th of the World Population and is known for religious violence?
As opposed to Pakistan, which is known as the citadel of religious harmony and tolerance?

2 The terrorists were talking in Hindi their speaking style their interviews with the media proved they were from Hyderabad as was stated by them. Many Hyderabadis themselves confirmed that they really were from the region of Hyderabad seeing their speaking style and interview.
Right, it's not like they could imitate an accent. That would be so difficult. Besides, he even said "Bhagvaan". What more proof does one require?

3 Hemant Karkare had implicated Colonel Prasad Purohit and a number of Indian Hindu terrorists for the attacks and stated that some BJP leaders could be responsible for the attacks. He was killed within the first 10 minutes of the attack. Several BJP leaders have said that "he got what he deserved" and some fanatic hindu websites stated he was a "slave of muslims"

Him being the head of the Anti terror squad of Mumbai could not have anything to do with him being present there, could it? He should have learned from Pakistan, where elite forces disappeared into thin air when terrorists attacked the cricketeers they were supposedly protecting. Instead, this idiot rushed headlong into the thick of the action - stupid Indians. BTW if he was killed within ten minutes of the commencement of the attacks, I wonder how he appeared on television news channels, putting on his helmet and BPJs in preparation for going to confront the terrorists. Must have been his ghost or deceptive twin, who was seen preparing several hours after the attacks took place.

And I wonder how Colonel Purohit, who was already in jail and still is, feels about Karkare being killed to get him out, since apparently they forgot to release him, the beneficiary of the conspiracy. How did it help him?

4 It is speculated that Hemant Karkares widow did not take Modi’s compensation for this very reason and she knew he was trying to capitalize on the anger left after the attacks as a basis to demonize Muslims and blame Pakistan. Several people suggested she might have thought or known he was responsible for the attacks as well. Why did Karkares wife deny the compensation if she did not know that there was definitely something fishy surrounding the murder of here husband?

Let's believe what those unknown "several people" instead of Mrs Karkare herself, shall we? She said she declined another state govt' rewardd because that seems like political point scoring, and she did not want to be involved in that. But hey, why believe her? Let's believe those who say that her real reason for turning down the reward was because she suspected that the BJP assassinated her husband. Why believe an emotional woman, instead of believing our unmentioned informers, aka "several people"?

5 Hemant Karkare received death threats from Hindu fanatics a day before he was killed and he had exposed a group named Abhinav Bharat and had said it was involved in previous attacks against Muslims. Could this have been the cause of his death and the members of this shadowy outfit the perpetuators?

Of course, they "could have been". Anybody "could have been", except Pakistanis and lashkars. I mean, lashkars would never hurt a fly, would they? The very word "Lashkar" means charity workers.

6 Indian forces inability to stop only 10 terrorists who caused so much damage casts major doubts about the Indian government description of the events. Several people are wondering how just 10 terrorists could cause such a massive scale of carnage killing over 170 civilians without being stopped.

Three or four gunmen attacking one spot in Paris, were killed only a day later. But in a much more congested and thickly populated and thinly policed city like Mumbai, terrorists attacking five different spots and being mobile and having hostages, are expected to be shot down faster, right? Because as we know, Mumbai police is better trained and armed that the gendarmaries, and Mumbai is so much more easier to navigate than Paris.

7 The timing of the attacks could not be any better. Elections were just a few days ahead and this attack was set to give BJP a Right Wing Hindu Nationalist Party a major boost in the elections

And what was the result of those elections? BJP did even worse than the previous one, and a victorious congress party swept into office. What an idiotic miscalculation by the BJP. They orchestrated such a huge drama and fooled the entire world, but failed to fool the smart Indian electorate who saw right through their tricks, and refused to vote them in. Damn, if only Indian voters were as dumb as the rest of the world (minus Pakistanis, of course), the trick would have worked.

8 Jamaat Ud Dawa is a charity and all of Pakistan rallies in its support and surprisingly even the Hindus and Christians in Pakistan rallied for it claiming it was in no way a terrorist organization as it provided them with education and healthcare. JuD have over 180 schools, 40000 students and thousands who live on their aid and medical supplies daily. Is this really a terrorist organization or a victim of the same blame its neighbours that India has been doing for years. Shweta Mayur has specifically raised this point.

Right. Lashkar-e-toiba doesn't even exist - Mr Hafiz Saeed himself said so. Only the charity wing exists. Names like "lashkar-e-toiba" were invented by conniving Indian baniyas to defame the angels of mercy like Hafiz Saeed and Lakhvi and David Coleman Headley.

9 Why was Mr Qasab wearing a band that only Hindus can wear? This is the greatest blow and reveals the truth about the attacks and the attackers. The band he was wearing is a band that is worn by Hindu terrorists of the RSS.

You nailed it, bro! The hindu terrorists of the RSS trained ten members to stage an elaborate drama of blood and tears that fooled the whole world - billions of people fell for their masterful deception - but oh noes, they forgot to take off their arm band before doing it. Damn it!

11 The list of 20 people India gave to Pakistan include names of dead people, people not in Pakistan and people who have been in jail for years. Is this list a joke?

Yes, Pakistan said so. So it has to be true. Pakistanis never lie.

12 There is no family by the name of Qasab back in Faridkot Pakistan. Many Indian story tellers tried their level best to somehow change that and made fools out of themselves trying to find a Pakistani link. Some even went as far to say they found the family and Qasabs parents had accepted he was their son after seeing his picture. However no record of Qasab exists in Pakistani Records.

Right, and Pakistani security forces cordoned off that village only to prevent evil mediapersons visiting the place to spread filth and kuffar. And oh, Pakistan officially admitting that Kasab is a Pakistani? That was a remarkable counter false flag by Pakistan to sow confusion in the ranks and file of the RSS. Pakistanis never sometimes lie, but only as part of psy-ops.

14 Several Shiv Seniks had been talking about such an attack to "awaken hindus" across India and make them aware of the Islamic plot against them. RSS chief said such an attack was needed to make Hindus fight against the demon (Islam according to them)

I won't ask for a source or quote, because since the Sultan has said it, it must be true. Once again, he has his "several" people to rely upon.

15 A strange group of Islamic terrorists would go to a bar and have several drinks and start their rampage from there. Intellectuals have been wondering what kind of Islamic terrorists come in T-shirts and jeans completely clean shaven and would start their rampage from a bar.

Exactly. The would have come in full islamic regalia, with beards, skullcaps, shalwars, and a zulfiqar sword on their waist. That's how the 9/11 hijackers dressed, that's how any muslim trying to unobtrusively sneak in would be attired.

16 The terrorist that killed Hemant Karkare spoke Marathi according to Maharashtra Times itself. Marathi is only spoken within India. Is he really a Pakistani or a victim of the blame game.

Wait, now I'm confused. Is he a poor victim of the blame game, or is he a cunning agent of the RSS? Sultan sir, please do not confuse us.

18 It is claimed by the media that the attackers came from Karachi by sea. What was the coastguard doing all this time? And over 200 miles were crossed without the Indian coastguard noticing at all.

Right again. The Indian Coast Guard was world renowned for being an impenetrable nautical shield, whom no smuggler or small boat could ever evade. The US coast guard was begging the ICG to train them to detect every single narco boat that plies between US and Latin America every day.

19 No one except Mr Modi the Chief Minister of Gujarat, the same person who is said to be responsible for the massacre of over 3000 muslim civilians in cold blood even thought about compensating the victims. What is this proving? That Hindus should follow terrorists like Modi instead of more secular Hindu parliamentarians because he is the only one who cares about terrorism?

Umm...never mind the fact that both the state and central govts had given compensations to the victims' families - Rs 5 lack from the state govt and Rs 2 lakh from the Prime minister's funds. If Sultan Sahib says it did not happen, it did not happen. Shame on the media for blatantly lying:

The attack claimed 164 lives, while 250 were injured. All their families, barring one which could not be traced, received Rs. 5 lakh each from the state government, and Rs. 2 lakh each from the Prime Minister's fund.

Chief Secretary Jayant Banthia said, "Compensation packages worth Rs. 5 lakh and Rs. 2 lakh have been distributed to 163 families. We haven't been able to identify the one remaining family yet. The remaining amount of Rs. 3 lakh has been given to 76 families, whereas distribution is still under process for the other 88 families.

Oh no, only Modi who personally hacked 3000 muslims to death offered compensation, because he had pangs of guilt. No scratch that - Modi was offering rewarding them for being willing participants in the drama he orchestrated.

20 The events were changed several times and several conflicting statements were made by different sources. First Mauritius ID cards were found with the terrorists, then they were not. The contradictory statements by different government officials and investigators cast a shadowy image to this situation.

Yep. Crystal clarity is expected in such chaotic situations. Otherwise, it's a false flag drama.

21 Conveniently the same terrorist caught on tape was the one who was captured. Not only that but conveniently this same terrorist seems to be walking casually at the train station with an Ak47 in his hands and does not notice someone with a mobile camera taking pictures of him in what seems to be an empty place.

Umm...many of the other terrorists were also caught on cam in the two hotels, and are widely available on the internet, and were constantly shown on TV news channels for days. But let's disregard every inconvenient fact that doesn't fit our narrative.

23 The terrorists definitely knew the city inside out. They were well aware of the locations to strike and were so well acquainted with the city that they knew every corner. Even many Indians themselves did not know about the Jewish community center. Several sources have claimed that they had been living in Mumbai for at least a year to know the city so well. Were they Indian or Pakistani?

Right, because terrorists can't do planning and reconnaisance. Headley was arrested for indecent exposure, not for doing recons of targets.

24 Why would the terrorists call their alleged leader Hafiz Mohammed Saeed through VOIP in the middle of the fight when Indian commandos were pounding at the hotel? Did the terrorists really want themselves to be traced back to where they actually came from and came with all preparation passports and documents to prove they were Pakistani?

Except that they didn't have Pakistani passports on them. There are no immigration officials posted on the coastline to check visas and passports. Oh wait - if they didn't have Pakistani passports, then they were not Pakistanis, they were Indians! Another point for your checklist!

25 Several Indian media circles even went as far as to claim that the attack was the handiwork of ISI. Now what kind of intelligence agency would launch an attack that could actually be traced right back to itself? It seems that “Pakistan’s Powerful Spy Agency” is more often than not a victim of the failures of others.

Of course, nobody can ever accuse ISI of incompetence. Pakistan is a citadel of peace because of their competence.
 
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Terrorism may be without religion but motive of terrorism is not without religion in most of the cases.
But behind that there is political benefits, and to spoil innocent brains in name of religion. During the Mubai attack terrorist found calling to the sender on satelite phone that plz, pray for him to Allah to give him Heaven. This is show how brains are spoiled and hate injections are given, so they can never understand what is right and what is wrong. the main target must be not terrorist, but the people who train the terrorist mind in such way, that would learn lession
If you equate drawing mohammad's cartoons to charlie hebdo then there is something wrong with you.
No other religious group acts the way a particular group does.

The reality is that most religious oppression happens in Muslim countries.
The reality is that the most violence against other groups happens in Muslim countries.
The reality is that freedom of religion of every other religion is most curtailed in Muslim countries.

That should give you a hint of what Muslims do. Conveniently saying "ISIS is not Muslim'' is just a canard. One that people across the globe are steadily and increasingly rejecting as false.

We see that even apart from ISIS, countries which do not allow fellow humans to practice their faiths are largely Muslim countries.
Violence and discrimination of other religions is largely in Muslim countries.

So its not just a question of ISIS, its a holistic issue and in every parameter its the Muslims who are standing out.

Ýou can wish to ignore these uncomfortable facts, it is entirely upto you.

I never my mind block to accept the Arguments, and ever open to free mind from bias and my pre thoughts on any subjects. I feel there is freedom of expression to the people and value when others are do logical analysis on such subjects. On point, even though the act of the france as charlie hebdo case found wrong, I think Religion and Beliefs are become very strong base for the violence. White are become much polite in accepting freedom, but why to accept the blame of particular religion people. we know that Muslims have great thoughts for ISLAM and religion personalities, then why the such hate be permitted. If there was no charlie hebdo cartoon no such acts were done, Even i am never ready to hear worst for my own religion and some do it, I feel to kill them(though actually Its cant possible, but the anger is just like that)

For all the other arguments I would like to accept the same, but we need to find ways to come out of it, rather to blame everytime, The hidden discrimination towards the Muslim people is always seen by having notions in the other than Muslim people. If Muslim Person is hate terrorism why not to accept the same,

The reality is that most religious oppression happens in Muslim countries.
The reality is that the most violence against other groups happens in Muslim countries.
The reality is that freedom of religion of every other religion is most curtailed in Muslim countries.


For this above things; we need to show this reasons to the Muslim Nations and to ask for possitive action against it; which will lead us to the some conclusive things. we have two options, One to keep all Muslim in one place and to condemn them and to reject, Two to find out some other kind of solutions by which we can bring most Muslims in the mordern era........... Its easy to kill but hard to find some other kind of solution. I incline to change the situation with most muslim support and to raise such issues including issue like charlie hebdo that to stop condemn religious belief and for enacting such Laws in all countries, this type of step will give possitive result.

Now you can unaccept this for comfort......;)
 
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good points. I'd like to see someone respond to them point by point, will make for interesting discussion.
Done. You are welcome.

Keeping into consideration all the uncertainty, politics, differences and confusions in this matter, all these points and questions are perfectly legitimate and do not deserve to be dismissed the way they are being by certain people. You always talk about Pakistanis not questioning the ''establishment'' narrative, yet don't question your own establishment's narrative yourself, dismissing questions and disagreements with words like 'despicable'.

Look, if someone can reasonably refute every one of @haviZsultan 's points, I'll shut up. But I doubt that's possible. Some of the more conspiratorial ones (like #9) are admittedly weak, but not the others.
Yea, that classic strategy is called FUD. Throw enough weak suspicions and pretend that together the make a strong cae. Sorry, but the plural of weak statements is not strong evidence. Even if you come up with a million very weak and questionable "doubts", it doesn't weaken the narrative by strength of numbers.

My sarcastic responses above are all you will get, we have better things to do than proving to Paksitanis that the sun rises in the east.
 
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Must be necessary to watch this video before coming up with silly conspiracy theories on the 26/11 attacks




'A Perfect Terrorist:' The American Behind The 2008 Attack On Mumbai : NPR

A Perfect Terrorist | FRONTLINE | PBS

PBS Frontline is known as a mouthpiece of RSS and BJP. I'm sure the great Sultan will say so.

It was all a drama to bump off Karkare - because as we know, it is so difficult to kill a man in India and make it look like an accident. It is much easier to lure him into a trap by orchestrating a grand drama, played in front of the whole world, and then shooting him when he takes the bait and arrives there.

Right, @haviZsultan and @TankMan ?

The great Sultan was in Lucknow when Samjhauta express fire happened, and as he has said so many times over the past few days, that makes him an authority on such matters.
 
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PBS Frontline is known as a mouthpiece of RSS and BJP. I'm sure the great Sultan will say so.

It was all a drama to bump off Karkare - because as we know, it is so difficult to kill a man in India and make it look like an accident. It is much easier to lure him into a trap by orchestrating a grand drama, played in front of the whole world, and then shooting him when he takes the bait and arrives there.

Right, @haviZsultan and @TankMan ?

The great Sultan was in Lucknow when Samjhauta express fire happened, and as he has said so many times over the past few days, that makes him an authority on such matters.


The funny thing is that pretty much the whole world would have had to join in this conspiracy, just to make Pakistan look bad. If that indeed happened, I think they are in serious trouble anyways and there is no point in worrying about a supposed "false flag" attack.

Btw, many of the answers to his questions are available on the video. I dare him to see the video & the intercepted conversations & suggest that these men were from Hyderabad (surprisingly Hyderabadis speak Marathi according to his claim elsewhere). Headley buying the threads for the terrorists to wear or Abu Jundal's coaching the chaps on what to say is all part of the record.

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And how was Karkare killed. Wasn't he the one investigating the Samjhauta express case, and getting death threats too?.

Yup, the chief of the anti-terror squad of the state of Maharashtra did the investigation of an incident that happened near Panipat in Haryana state, over 900 km away......:lol: Talk about jurisdiction......:sick:
 
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