Tensions in Indian city of Ayodhya ahead of Babri Mosque verdict

[Vikki]

Many mosques in India were Hindu temples but some say the babri was never built on Hindu temple

Have you ever wondered why there isnt a single grand ancient temple in whole of north india while there are many in south india and odisha?because these parts were not ruled by muslims...all the famous and grand ancient temples in north were ddemolished by muslim invaders..its a historical fact.

 

[Rusty]

Many mosques in India were Hindu temples but some say the babri was never built on Hindu temple

Again your and your fairy tales.
RSS "facts" are not real facts.

Again, in reality even in Pakistan ancient Hindu temples still exist.

These are all temples IN PAKISTAN.
So that destroys your lies!!

I am still waiting for your challenge tho....
But you and I both know that fairy tales can't stand up to facts so that is why you have not replied.

 

[dani92]

Again your and your fairy tales.
RSS "facts" are not real facts.

Again, in reality even in Pakistan ancient Hindu temples still exist.

These are all temples IN PAKISTAN.
So that destroys your lies!!

I am still waiting for your challenge tho....
But you and I both know that fairy tales can't stand up to facts so that is why you have not replied.

These are not lies it’s facts even many Muslim scholars like ibn tayyimia said temples should be abolished

 

[Rusty]

These are not lies it’s facts even many Muslim scholars like ibn tayyimia said temples should be abolished

anyone can say anything.
I think Indians should be forced to use toilets.

Doesn't mean its going to happen, or has happened.

 

[PakFactor]

What was point of destroying Mosque build by Babur? Ram isn't historical as nothing but monkeys roamed around in Ayodhiya 10000BC when they claim temple was build.

Hatred of invader? He wasn't first central asian to invade. India speak and follow religion brought in by central asian aryans.

Nothing justify destroying mosque but expect more humiliation of minorities by SC judgement. Which is what Indian muslims deserve for rejecting two nation theory.

Of course they deserve all the slapping they can get and how those Indian Muslims bend over to appease their Hindu masters.

After Indian strikes you should have seen that Owais (India, Hyderabad Leader) talk shit about Pakistan being a Muslim himself - after we shot down IAF jets he shut up. When Modi got rid of 370 he squealed like a pig.

 

[dani92]

anyone can say anything.
I think Indians should be forced to use toilets.

Doesn't mean its going to happen, or has happened.

Yea but the so called historical mosques in India were mostly Hindu temples the same goes for mosques in Spain and turkey they were cathedrals and churches

 

[paritosh]

Oh please, bring on your "challenge"
My only stipulation is that it can't be Hindutva monkey nonsense.

And you are 100% creating fictional stories.
This temple destroying narrative is just a fairy tale for you people to justify your hatred.

In the world where monkey gods don't exists (reality) Mosques, temples, gurdwaras, etc were destroyed by everyone. It was not a religious thing, it was a political one.

Also, Hindu invaders also killed many Hindus AND Muslims, so I fail to see your point.

In the modern world, we only really have examples of Hindus destroying Mosques, where Muslims in Pakistan are restoring temples. That is a fact and that is reality that no one can deny.

Oh bhai, ek hi point hai yahan...it is more important than most other historical mishaps.
This is in fact the most important piece of land for hindus.
Will damage to mecca evoke the equal response as damage to just any mosque?

 

[Rusty]

Oh bhai, ek hi point hai yahan...it is more important than most other historical mishaps.
This is in fact the most important piece of land for hindus.
Will damage to mecca evoke the equal response as damage to just any mosque?

again, fairy tales.
This land was never important until a bunch of Hindus got together around the middle of the 1800 and made up fairy tales. Those fairy tales then resulted in the destruction of the mosque 100 years later.

This is not even the first fairy tale, Hindus have also made up fairy tales of mass forced conversion, and "Islamic" invasion and what not.

If this was your first fairy tale people might believe you, but no one with any brains believes all these fairy tales.

 

[PakFactor]

Then why wait so long to re-establish it?



Like I said, they're cucked.

The cucking never stops.

 

[Meliodas]

You need to understand the gravity of what we are dealing with here. Despite what you hear and the halo effects at play, things are not as black and white as you think they are regarding this issue.
Ram temple is to hindus what Mecca is to muslims in its symbolic value. A muslim ruler had destroyed (claimed) the temple and built a mosque in its place.
Post-independence, the restablishment seemed like a no brainer to hindus, yet it was never acted upon legally because Indian muslims are as much indian citizens as are hindus (I know things are dangerously close to ruining that harmony right about now), and the judiciary as well as legislation deemed the destruction of even an ordinary mosque built on top of the holiest shrine as unconstitutional.
I know that you won't believe it but a lot of Indian muslims want the area to be given to hindus as they appreciate the symbolism. Like most things it has become a rallying cry for getting muslim votes and hence not resolved.

Be honest, what would you have done in a situation like this?


Mate, mostly it's the symbolism that gets religious sentiments pent up in people. There is so much in all religions that's myth, doesn't stop people from appreciating what the myths symbolise.

If only the world had more empathy.

There is no clear evidence of a ram temple here, at most what one can find is attempt of Muslims to capture another temple in the same city and its pandits tectic to reverse the tide by building a "chabutra" outside the babri mosque and create a reverse claim, which evolved to become what majority Hindus think of the situation today. Sadly it was us Muslims that are to be blamed for the start of this and its pityful that our brothers adopt the same theme by creating mosques not for prayers but for qabza (don't know why we only learn and adopt the wrong acts)

 

[paritosh]

There is no clear evidence of a ram temple here, at most what one can find is attempt of Muslims to capture another temple in the same city and its pandits tectic to reverse the tide by building a "chabutra" outside the babri mosque and create a reverse claim, which evolved to become what majority Hindus think of the situation today. Sadly it was us Muslims that are to be blamed for the start of this and its pityful that our brothers adopt the same theme by creating mosques not for prayers but for qabza (don't know why we only learn and adopt the wrong acts)

I agree with what you have written here, but you need to understand the effect this sentiment has even if it's symbolic and not based on facts (counter arguments exist to prove the point that a temple existed as well).
Point 1: The importance attached is enormous with this claim for Hindus
Point 2: Issue is not focused on blaming muslims but to rectify a 'wrong'

For the above points, please assume that:
a) Most people will do very little fact-checking
b) It is important that this band-aid is ripped as this has been dividing the two communities in India for a very long time

 

[Daghalodi]

I agree with what you have written here, but you need to understand the effect this sentiment has even if it's symbolic and not based on facts (counter arguments exist to prove the point that a temple existed as well).
Point 1: The importance attached is enormous with this claim for Hindus
Point 2: Issue is not focused on blaming muslims but to rectify a 'wrong'

For the above points, please assume that:
a) Most people will do very little fact-checking
b) It is important that this band-aid is ripped as this has been dividing the two communities in India for a very long time

I dont get it!! At one point you say this is related to hindu senitments rathar than facts regarding existence of a temple and the next moment you claim strong evidence is available suggesting the temple was there.

Please decide if there really was a temple or you just want to build a temple to secure hindu sentiments.

 

[Rusty]

Yea but the so called historical mosques in India were mostly Hindu temples the same goes for mosques in Spain and turkey they were cathedrals and churches

I am going to need a source on that, you Indians are known for your lies.

 

[FuturePAF]

Considering it had been decades since the Babri Masjid was destroyed, has there been any archeological excavations to prove when and if there was any previous structures on the spot before the existence of the masjid? Also did the demographics of the area change (centuries ago) when the masjid was constructed, and a large part of the population became Muslim, in which they would have converted any previous structure into a masjid on their own?

 

[paritosh]

I dont get it!! At one point you say this is related to hindu senitments rathar than facts regarding existence of a temple and the next moment you claim strong evidence is available suggesting the temple was there.

Please decide if there really was a temple or you just want to build a temple to secure hindu sentiments.

I have not claimed in my post that strong evidence exist only because I need to do some research into this (let me get back to you on that).
You'd be surprised when you start looking into the evidence supporting the validity of ancient relics (Shroud of turin se le kar relics of Muhammad tak) and how there isn't anything concrete that can establish their veracity.
Religion is 99% symbolism.

Considering it had been decades since the Babri Masjid was destroyed, has there been any archeological excavations to prove when and if there was any previous structures on the spot before the existence of the masjid? Also did the demographics of the area change (centuries ago) when the masjid was constructed, and a large part of the population became Muslim, in which they would have converted any previous structure into a masjid on their own?

For the first part of your question, go through this link. It's quite balanced:
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...-sc-to-ram-lalla-virajman/article29110158.ece