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Iran Had Every Right to Shoot Down That Drone - truthdig.com


On June 19, an Iranian surface-to-air missile shot down an unmanned U.S. surveillance drone. The White House claimed that its drone was at least 20 miles from Iran, in international airspace, while Iran maintains the drone was in Iranian airspace. Iran presented GPS coordinates showing the drone eight miles from Iran’s coast, which is inside the area of 12 nautical miles that is considered Iran’s territorial waters under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Iran has the legal right to control its own airspace. The United States has no lawful claim of self-defense that would justify a military attack on Iran.
Both the U.S. and Iran are parties to the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation, which provides “that every State has complete and exclusive sovereignty over the airspace above its territory.”

Iran’s sovereignty over its airspace includes the right to shoot down an unmanned drone present without consent. “Although there is no black letter law on the question, state practice suggests that a state can use force against unmanned drones that have entered its airspace without consent,” Ashley Deeks and Scott R. Anderson wrote at Lawfare.

“Assuming that for once Washington is telling the truth” about how far the U.S. drone was from Iran when it was downed, “it is still undeniable that Iran has the right to demand identification from any aircraft flying this near its territory,” H. Bruce Franklin, former Air Force navigator and intelligence officer, wrote on Facebook. U.S. Air Defense Identification Zones extend 200 miles from the U.S. border. “Any unidentified drone” which flew that close to the U.S. “would most likely be shot down,” Franklin added.

Iran’s ambassador to the United Nations, Majid Takht-Ravanchi, wrote to the Security Council that the drone did not respond to several radio warnings before it was shot down.

A U.S. Attack on Iran Would Not Be Lawful Self-Defense

If the United States attacks Iran, it would act in violation of the United Nations Charter. The Charter only allows the use of military force in self-defense after an armed attack or with Security Council approval.

The International Court of Justice held in the 1986 Nicaragua case that an “armed attack” only includes “the most grave forms of the use of force.” No one was injured or killed when Iran shot down the U.S. drone since it was unmanned. Indeed, Trump told reporters it made “a big, big difference” that a U.S. pilot was not threatened.

Iran did not carry out an armed attack against the United States. Under the Caroline case, there must exist “a necessity of self-defence, instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation.” There is no imminent necessity for a U.S. military attack on Iran.

Congress Has Not Authorized a Military Attack on Iran

A U.S. strike on Iran would also violate the War Powers Resolution, which lists three situations in which the president can introduce U.S. Armed Forces into hostilities:

First, after a declaration of war by Congress, which has not occurred since World War II. Second, in “a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.” The loss of a U.S. drone does not constitute a “national emergency.” Third, when there is “specific statutory authorization,” such as an Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF).

In 2001, Congress adopted an AUMF that authorized the president to use military force against individuals, groups and countries that had contributed to the 9/11 attacks. In the past 18 years, three presidents have misused the 2001 AUMF to justify multiple military interventions.

This is happening again. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has mounted a campaign to link Iran to al-Qaeda in order to make a case that the 2001 AUMF would allow the U.S. to attack Iran. But, as Johns Hopkins professor Bruce Riedel told Al-Monitor, “Rather than being secretly in bed with each other as some have argued, al-Qaeda had a fairly hostile relationship with the Iranian regime.”

On June 19, the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives passed a $1 trillion appropriations bill that includes a provision repealing the 2001 AUMF within eight months. Introduced by Rep. Barbara Lee (D-California), it says the AUMF “has been used to justify a broad and open-ended authorization for the use of military force and such an interpretation is inconsistent with the authority of Congress to declare war and make all laws for executing powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States.” But the GOP-controlled Senate will not pass the bill with the AUMF repeal provision in it.


by Marjorie Cohn
Marjorie Cohn is professor emerita at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and a former president of the National Lawyers Guild. She wrote "Cowboy Republic: Six Ways the Bush Gang Has Defied the Law," co-authored …
Good to see from sending their drones inside of Iran, which apparently not possible for them due to fear of falling in the hands of Iranian engineering , now they just got to the border encroachment which is now over for ever,,,
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a large chunk of the US military budgett goes towards salaries which is a lot higher in the US then other places.

the US also has a for profit military industrial complex that eats up ALOT of that budget. There are large private weapons companies that make HUGE profits off the industry. and also lots of corruption where they buy politicians with lobbying to spend absurd money on weapons of questionable bang to buck value.

also in war costs. there are long term effects one has to consider as well. an injured soldier will be disabled for life. he will require millions of dollars of state assistance till he dies. and he will never be a productive (depending on his level of disability) citizen again.

when you add these costs of lost productivity and disabilities. you can see how astronomical the bill gets for the US.
 
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All you said is true. I can't agree more.

I don't deny US has quite a lot of advanced stuff. But war is not just about comparing how much you have, it also depends your people, especially how much they want to sacrifice.

Israel budget is $18.5 billion (2018), Israel can survive because majority Israelis can sacrifice to defend Israel. KSA has much higher budget, look at the military performance in Yemen.

Pakistan has much less budget than India. Look at the performance between India and Pakistan on February 27th. Pakistan humiliated India internationally.

America is powerful, indeed. But how much ordinary Americans willing to sacrifice on invasion of Iran? Questionable.

Valid points. Though in any case i don't see a scenario where US invades Iran with ground forces , they have nothing to benefit from something like that. ( sorry to disappoint some of the members here who are probably bored . . . )

A limited strike is also not likely , unless the mullahs do something crazy , like close the straights. in that case US would have no alternative but to open them.


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Valid points. Though in any case i don't see a scenario where US invades Iran with ground forces , they have nothing to benefit from something like that. ( sorry to disappoint some of the members here who are probably bored . . . )

A limited strike is also not likely , unless the mullahs do something crazy , like close the straights. in that case US would have no alternative but to open them.


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Trump need a better deal than Obama so that he can brag to voters and get reelected. What if Iran refuse to renegotiate unless sanction lifted first? It's a dilemma for Trump and America.

Same thing happened on US-China trade war. Trump initiated the trade war, China rejected the terms Trump asked for. Then Trump sanctioned China and hijacked Huawei as hostage. China refuse to renegotiate unless sanction lifted first and release Huawei, especially Huawei founder's daughter. It's also a dilemma for Trump and America.

Trump played so dirty, even his alliance can't agree and disgusted.

A limited strike can only irritate Teheran and Iranians, don't expect any good outcome.

A limited strike not necessarily ends up with limited response. It may escalate, it may not. But it depends on Iran, not Trump.

A limited strike can't destroy Iran military capability. In the opposite, it united Iranians. Teheran regime can't be more robust.

It's silly decision from Trump administration. It's doomed.
 
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Valid points. Though in any case i don't see a scenario where US invades Iran with ground forces , they have nothing to benefit from something like that. ( sorry to disappoint some of the members here who are probably bored . . . )

A limited strike is also not likely , unless the mullahs do something crazy , like close the straights. in that case US would have no alternative but to open them.


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Which could mean those 1000 lbs or more heavier Iranian missiles landing on Tel Aviv and Haifa. Add that to the Hezbollah and PIJ missile assaults, and one can imagine the prophesied outcome.
 
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Trump need a better deal than Obama so that he can brag to voters and get reelected. What if Iran refuse to renegotiate unless sanction lifted first? It's a dilemma for Trump and America.

Same thing happened on US-China trade war. Trump initiated the trade war, China rejected the terms Trump asked for. Then Trump sanctioned China and hijacked Huawei as hostage. China refuse to renegotiate unless sanction lifted first and release Huawei, especially Huawei founder's daughter. It's also a dilemma for Trump and America.

Trump played so dirty, even his alliance can't agree and disgusted.

A limited strike can only irritate Teheran and Iranians, don't expect any good outcome.

A limited strike not necessarily ends up with limited response. It may escalate, it may not. But it depends on Iran, not Trump.

A limited strike can't destroy Iran military capability. In the opposite, it united Iranians. Teheran regime can't be more robust.

It's silly decision from Trump administration. It's doomed.
Trump has bluffed so much, that nobody takes his threats seriously anymore. He is over!
 
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Trump has bluffed so much, that nobody takes his threats seriously anymore. He is over!

A wise super power, should refrain.
A wise super power, should not make threat if he doesn't mean it.
A wise super power once make threat, he must mean it and prepare to take measures no matter the price.

In this case, the wise super can be respected (or fear), save energy and last longer.
 
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A wise super power, should refrain.
A wise super power, should not make threat if he doesn't mean it.
A wise super power once make threat, he must mean it and prepare to take measures no matter the price.

In this case, the wise super can be respected (or fear), save energy and last longer.
Agreed! There have been other US presidents that have bluffed, but none this extensively and their bluffs not been called to this degree.
 
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while trump is a bluffing idiot. one thing that's still a mystery is why with heightened tension would you provocatively send in the p-8 overloaded with 35 passengers?

trump laughably talked about some rogue Iranian officer. he should be looking at his own officers and seeing if they have another foreign states interests at heart when they send 35 American military personnel as bait to start war?

imagine how nervous the next crew of a p-8 is going to be hovering around Iran and being used potentially as live bait by Zionists... would you want to be on that plane?

perhaps the Iranian-American patriot @Rukarl would want to volunteer for the next mission?
 
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Right now, I would not take seriously anything Iran says about this event.

For starter, IF there was a P-8, which is primarily a maritime anti-sub platform, it would not be flying next to any UAV.
It is possible:

The US Navy has made two further steps in the field of manned-unmanned cooperation. At a flight test in 2 June 2016, a Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton unmanned air system (UAS) and a Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) showcased two new key capabilities that will bring maritime operations to a new level.

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http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4113

You literally need help from foreigners to wipe your behind so please don’t comment what to expect from other nationalities.
Again, what other comment to expect from a biased Iranian!?
 
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Again, what other comment to expect from a biased Iranian!?
Literally sad to see a paid troll not having a better comeback. Bias is something EVERYONE has. Comes with life experience.
Saudis for example have extensive experience in paying for their national security.
Your bias on the other hand is to first beg the US to do your dirty work before you beg the UK.
 
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