Tejas, once combat-ready, will be able to outgun the JF-17

[GURU DUTT]

This is the end result.
One flies on it's respective Republic day while the other gets dragged.

you still dint gave me the links and proofs by some international source when did your couple of F-16s kept locked 5 IAF fulcrums while shaowing them

waise unlike your super rich PAF we poor indians dont let any single engined roatarry(helicopter) fixed winged(fighter jet ) make a flypast on rajpath but i guess you dont want to beleve it dont ya

waise jammer bhiyye tejas has already clocked 3000 flying hours of flight testing in all weather all altitude & day and night operations and that too without a single crash can the same be claimed by your super duper JF-17

looks like you dont have anything to say thats why instead of answering my whole post you cherry picked onli this one line

dont worry jammer bhiyye LCA is last of your worries first find a credible opponent of all the IAFs current frontline fighters like upgraded M2Ks, Mig29s and jags dont even count MKI in it as it will be an overkill for you airforce

 

[Windjammer]

jammaerr bhiyye do you have any proofs or links to support that or is that yet another khayaali pullaow

Making useless posts and cartoons all day, that's your dish.

waise what stopped your F-16s in engaging indian fulcrums when they had locked on your F-16s during kargil war

Another stupid comment, your MiG locked on, why didn't it follow up with launching a missile.
The fact is every time aircraft from each side remained within their own air space, couple of times your MiGs crossed and they became roast......you lost two MiGs and a Gunship, what did PAF lose. !!!!....Kabi thora aqal per haath mar lena chayee.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Making useless posts and cartoons all day, that's your dish.

Another stupid comment, your MiG locked on, why didn't it follow up with launching a missile.
The fact is every time aircraft from each side remained within their own air space, couple of times your MiGs crossed and they became roast......you lost two MiGs and a Gunship, what did PAF lose. !!!!....Kabi thora aqal per haath mar lena chayee.

he he he jammer bhiyye looks like truth is hurting your feelings isnt it

waise owr migs dint fire as your F-16s were in there airspace and owr migs were told strictlli not to cross that line same was with owr ground forces as we wanted to proove to the world that your nation is the real agrassorr not we and we prooved it and despite NS best efforts your nation had to agree to unconditional withdrawl of your forces from kargil hights which we kept on blasting till the end by owr artilerry and fighter jets

now lets come back to LCA tejas shall we

 

[drunken-monke]

As they say small things amuse little minds. What would have you done without the US and Israeli help.
You have heard of the radar lock by the Fulcrum, IAF even went to the extent of awarding the MiG pilot but you will never hear of when a flight of five Fulcrums panicked and almost crashed into each other after GCI warned them of being shadowed by a couple of F-16s....to which they were oblivious to for about 20 minutes.

A bit of elaboration or link would do..

Making useless posts and cartoons all day, that's your dish.

Another stupid comment, your MiG locked on, why didn't it follow up with launching a missile.
The fact is every time aircraft from each side remained within their own air space, couple of times your MiGs crossed and they became roast......you lost two MiGs and a Gunship, what did PAF lose. !!!!....Kabi thora aqal per haath mar lena chayee.

Aur Aap khud ko bade hi hoshiyar samazte ho.. Out of two migs lost during Kargil, only one Mig lost to Manpad. Mig 27 was flying low for reconnaissance, its Engine flamed out and Pilot has to Eject.. Mig 21 was on search mission of lost Mig 27, which was fired upon by Manpad (Stinger missile). Another loss to Manpad was not the fixed wing but a helicopter..

Hajmola Khao, jammed wind ko nikalo, bada dard hota hai agar na nikale toh..

 

[alimobin memon]

Although im jf17 fan not because of being pakistani but generally. Tejas Jet however may not be put in numbers yet operational but it is still a potent fighter to fight any 4th gen jet with AESA it might even be better. Currently incorporating israeli radar and missiles like python may have advantage in close combat range. I dont like fans who say tejas is shit or so, it is itself an achievement I dont see much diff b/w india and pak so whenever both do something that 15 yrs ago no one would have believed I become happy that its like slap on west who always thought they could do aircrafts only.

In Future I believe other asian countries do so too and might even start making commercial planes too.

Back to topic.neither have seen real AA combat so dont conclude until both go in wars.

 

[Windjammer]

A bit of elaboration or link would do..

Who exactly provided you with the satellite imagery and the LGB tech.
As i said, IAF will only disclose it's own achievements and versions, because they need it, PAF doesn't need to glorify every minute detail.

Aur Aap khud ko bade hi hoshiyar samazte ho.. Out of two migs lost during Kargil, only one Mig lost to Manpad. Mig 27 was flying low for reconnaissance, its Engine flamed out and Pilot has to Eject.. Mig 21 was on search mission of lost Mig 27, which was fired upon by Manpad (Stinger missile). Another loss to Manpad was not the fixed wing but a helicopter..

And i did say two Migs and a Gunship....you say engine flame out during Reece, another Indian version is FOD ingestion due to firing rockets, tum log pehley decide kar lo kia excuse banana hey.

Hajmola Khao, jammed wind ko nikalo, bada dard hota hai agar na nikale toh..

Hajmola is an Indian product purposely made for the purpose most Indians at least on PDF suffer from.
Baqi lagta hey tum ko takleef hey, that's why you are monkeying around. [/quote]

 

[knight11]

While Indians display height of idiocy by comparing Tejas supposedly future capability with present day JF-17, they also indirectly admit that despite their LCA being in development for extensive period and costing billions, it still doesn't match up to the JF-17...... admission.....failure.

I differ with your view and politely sayiing that the your idea of LCA a failure is rubbish.

LCA was never meant for the export in mind rather a replacement of Mig-21 and to bridge the technological gap. It was being developed on the GNAT modern version.

1. Now Does it will replace Mig 21 --- Yes now it will because Mig -21bison will be phrased out starting from 2018
2. Does it bridge the technological gap --- To some extend Yes, Why Kaveri, Uttam, FBW, FADEEC, Composite Airframe structure whatever been learned is due to LCA project, thats what we saw in MIG 27 Upgradation, and Jaguar Darlin 2.

As far as you billion costing is concerned, its the most economical development of 4th Gen fighter plane in the world and with mere 1.2 billion is the peanut as compare to other development is concerned.

This is the end result.
One flies on it's respective Republic day while the other gets dragged.

You know very well what is the answer than why are you posting such thing. You are a senior member.

Although im jf17 fan not because of being pakistani but generally. Tejas Jet however may not be put in numbers yet operational but it is still a potent fighter to fight any 4th gen jet with AESA it might even be better. Currently incorporating israeli radar and missiles like python may have advantage in close combat range. I dont like fans who say tejas is shit or so, it is itself an achievement I dont see much diff b/w india and pak so whenever both do something that 15 yrs ago no one would have believed I become happy that its like slap on west who always thought they could do aircrafts only.

In Future I believe other asian countries do so too and might even start making commercial planes too.

Back to topic.neither have seen real AA combat so dont conclude until both go in wars.

Its an achievement not because the LCA program have created some of the blocks of the ecosystem in the country where it could develop its own plane for its own need but because it survives because of the odds that faces by the powerful import lobby that exists in India that leaved no stone unturn to make the program unsucessful.

I praise the developer and the scientist who made such high target like FBW, composite, FADEEC, Glass cockpit, AI MMR because if they just make the clone of the mig 21 whom it was meant to replace like J-7, it would have been thrown into the dusbin after wasting precious time and money.

 

[Crypto]

Incorrect title, please replace JF-17 with F-22

 

[Saifullah Sani]

India's Tejas and China's Xiaolong fighters

The HAL Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) was named by former Indian prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. The development plan was approved by the Indian government in 1983. The government's requirements for the Tejas were to develop an all-weather supersonic LCA which could replace the MiG-21. Its main mission is to fight for control of airspace and to offer short-range support. The development of the Tejas wasn't a simple process, as it included a completely new engine, avionics and weapons systems, in line with global standards. The first test plane was unveiled on Nov. 17, 1995 and made its maiden flight on Jan. 4, 2001.
The design for the PAC JF-17 Thunder, also known as the FC-1 Xiaolong, began with the "Super 7" plan launched jointly by China and US aircraft maker Grumman to develop an upgraded version of the F-7, but Grumman left the project after sanctions were placed on China by the US in the wake of the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989. China and Pakistan subsequently signed a memorandum of understanding to design a new fighter together in 1995. The requirements for the fighter were that it make use of advanced technology, that it be a completely new design and that it approach the combat capabilities of third-generation fighters. It also needed to be light, cheap to produce and capable of carrying a large payload. The first plane took its maiden flight in 2003 and the third aircraft made a successful test flight in April of 2004. In the same year, the state-owned China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) and the Pakistan Air Force signed a contract for the production of the FC-1 Xiaolong/JF-17 Thunder, the new designations of what had been the Super 7. On April 28, 2006, weapons systems and avionics were installed in the fourth aircraft and it made a successful test flight. The avionics systems were developed by China. On Sept. 10, 2006, the sixth JF-17 made its maiden flight.

Aerodynamic Configuration
There are clear differences in the shape of the two planes. The Xiaolong has horizontal tail-planes and a conventional aerodynamic structure, while the Tejas has no horizontal tail-planes on its triangular structure.
The lack of a (horizontal) tail is a unique feature of the Tejas, making it similar to the Dassault Mirage series of fighters. The plane also has a delta-wing configuration, which is the reverse of normal delta-wing fighters in that the angle of the sweep of the outer wing section is larger than the angle of the sweep of the inner wing section. The reverse configuration is normally used to balance supersonic and subsonic or transonic capabilities. The Tejas has an angle of incidence from the main axis of the wing, which gives the whole plane a larger dihedral force, improving its supersonic capabilities.
The Xiaolong has a trapezoid-shaped wing configuration, with a larger wing-aspect ratio and a smaller induced drag, therefore at high-altitude subsonic speed, the entire plane has a higher lift-drag ratio. The large wings that extend to the inlets on both sides of the plane's body not only improve the aircraft's lift during high-angle-of-attack flight but also help improve the maneuverability of the plane. The eddies created during high-angle-of-attack flight are also relatively stable, which reduces the chance of sudden drops in lift and improves the balance of the plane. It also improves the directivity of the nose of the plane in close-range combat.
In summary, in conventional air warfare, at an altitude of around 8,000 meters and a speed of Mach 0.8-1.2, the Xiaolong performs better in terms of acceleration, climb, stability and other combat capabilities. The Tejas' advantage lies in its low wing aspect ratio and its relatively low wave drag, which makes it superior to the Xiaolong in supersonic conditions.

Inlet Design
Both planes have intake cowls on both sides, but the Xiaolong's design is better as it is more functional, improves the plane's stealth capabilities and reduces its weight.
The Tejas uses the V-shaped air inlets typical of light fighters, the air inlets gather together towards the rear, sheltering the blades of the engine's axial compressor, preventing the scattering of radar, and adding to the craft's stealth capabilities. The oval air intakes are similar to the F/A-18C/D Hornet, with a diverter structure around them. All in all the design is in line with convention and has not shown much innovation.
The Xiaolong's air intake design is a little more imaginative and more advanced. It uses a diverterless supersonic inlet (DSI), scrapping the diverter structure used around the air intakes, as well as the air bleed and air bypass structures of most conventional supersonic aircraft. Through use of a three-dimensional compression surface to divert the boundary layer airflow at high subsonic and supersonic speeds, there is no longer a need for supplementary air inlets or bleed doors. This has the effect of lightening the structure, reducing drag and radar return. The air inlets are forward sweeping in a ramp formation, which reduces wave drag or surface interference.

Materials
As the Xiaolong was developed exclusively for export, to control costs, its body is mainly constructed with aluminum alloy as opposed to more popular composite material. The Tejas, however, has put an emphasis on reducing weight, and so it has used a lot of composite material. Forty-five percent of the plane's total weight is comprised of composite materials, including the fuselage, its vertical tailfin, the skin, the spars and the ribs of the wings, the elevons, the rudder, the air brakes and the landing gear doors. This cuts the plane's empty weight by 5.5 tons, making it almost 1 ton lighter than the Xiaolong, which means it can carry more fuel and a heavier load. The plane has a cargo-internal fuel ratio of around 30%, which improves its combat abilities.

Propulsion Systems
Although the Tejas' F414 engine is superior in terms of functionality, durability and life span to the Xiaolong's RD93 engine, it is also more expensive.
The choice of an engine has been problematic in the development of both aircraft. Those developing the Xiaolong had the choice of the commonly used F404, Pratt & Whitney's PW1216, the Turbo-Union RB199, the Snecma M88 and the Russian RD33. After considering different parameters, such as the combat radius, external storage and flexibility, they chose the RD-93 afterburning turbofan due to its low fuel uptake and its reasonable price.
The RD-93 is a variant of the RD-33 developed specifically for the Xiaolong, the main changes being the repositioning of the gearbox along the bottom of the engine casing and its mechanical turbine control. It employs a four-stage fan and nine high pressure stage compressor, with military thrust of 50 kiloNewtons (kN) and 81.3 kN thrust with afterburner, an augmented thrust ratio of 1.628, an overall pressure ratio of 21:1, a bypass ratio of 0.48:1, a normal gross takeoff weight of 9.1 tons and a thrust-to-weight ratio of 1, which gives it a longer range and better flying and propulsion capabilities.
The original plan for the LCA Tejas was that it would be fitted with the GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri turbofan engine, but the development of the engine ran into a hitch, so they had to adopt the F414 instead. The engine was developed on the basis of the General Electric F404 and has an axial compressor with three fan and seven compressor stages and a turbine with one low-pressure and one high-pressure stage. Compared with the F404, the F414 has augmented thrust by 35%, pushing it to 60 kN military thrust and 98 kN with afterburner. Its thrust-weight ratio has been pushed to 9:1. India purchased the custom-made F414-GE-INS5 model, which has similar capabilities to the F414-GE-400, with a fully digital control system, more advanced than the RD-93's mechanical turbine control, making it quicker to react and more accurate.
The F414 engine has an advantage over the RD-93 engine, as its technology is more advanced; it has greater thrust and is more reliable. The RD-93 was designed in the 1970s and is a little past its best in terms of design, but it does offer more stability, a better price and a high quality-price ratio. However, the Xiaolong will likely adopt the Chinese WS-13 engine in the future. The WS-13 is an improved version of the RD-93 engine, with a better design and more attention to materials and details in its production. It also uses the full authority digital engine control (FADEC) system, which creates the possibility that it may be smaller than the F-414.

Avionics and Flight Control Systems
The LCA Tejas' avionics system has a top-down design and has made use of line-replaceable unit technology, ensuring smooth coordination and the minimum degree of interdependence. The Tejas' avionics system was designed by France, with three 1553B serial buses and two centralized 32-bit, high-throughput mission computers, including a communications subsystem, a mission subsystem, a self-defense system and a guidance and flight system. It uses ELTA's EL/M2032 radar system, which works in the X-band range, designed for both air-to-air and ground strike missions. It is effective within a range of 37-75 km.
The Xiaolong's avionics also have a top-down design, with an onboard computer and a 1553B serial bus at the center, integrating several systems, including the cockpit display and control system, task management systems and fire control systems. It is equipped with autonomous navigation technology and can attack land, air and sea targets, tracking while scanning. If the users can afford it, it can also be equipped with globally competitive avionics systems. It can be equipped with the KLJ-7 X-band fire and control radar, for example, which has 14 air-to-air and air-to-ground modes, and can follow 10 targets while in track and scan mode. It can also unleash an attack at two targets simultaneously. Its mid-range guided missiles can also hit targets beyond visual range. For targets of 5 meters squared, its range in look-down search mode is 105 km and 85 km in look-down mode.
Chinese avionics have come a long way in recent years and even in comparison with the Western avionics system used in the LCA Tejas, it doesn't lose out in terms of capability and its search range is greater and functionality greater than that of the Tejas.

Flight Control Systems
The flight system of the Tejas has a more complicated origin. Originally the aircraft was set to be equipped with a FADEC system developed jointly by Lockheed Martin and India, however, an Indian nuclear test led to sanctions being implemented against the country, ending the US-Indian cooperative endeavor. India then looked to Russian aircraft manufacturer Mikoyan and Moscow Air Production Organization for help, until the sanctions were revoked in 2001. India then ordered actuators from London-based BAE Systems, which were handed over in 2003. Then Lockheed Martin joined the development project once again. This lengthy process slowed down the entire development of the aircraft. Overall, the core parts of the system were completed by Lockheed Martin, although this information has yet to be released to the public. The Indian media have reported that the flight control system is a match for the F-16C/D Fighting Falcon's relaxed static stability/fly-by-wire flight control system.
The Xiaolong's flight control systems make use of a longitudinal FADEC system, with two fly-by-wire back-up systems. The FADEC system improves stability across the yaw and roll axis. It has overcome a few flaws in its aerodynamics to allow for more maneuverability. It is also relatively low in price.

Combat Ability
There is no real competition between the two aircraft in terms of combat ability. The Xiaolong has already completely developed its combat capabilities, with the ability to fire radar-guided air-to-air SD-10 missiles, air-launched C-802AK anti-ship missiles and precision bombs. The LCA Tejas, on the other hand, has just entered service, so it hasn't developed its combat abilities as yet, so the only way to compare the two is to look at the weapons they will likely use and their weapon pylons.
Those behind both the Tejas and the Xiaolong demanded comprehensive combat capabilities for the two fighters, to allow them to use a diverse range of weaponry. The fixed weapon on both fighters is a double-barreled 23 mm aircraft gun. The difference between them is that the Tejas' gun is sourced from Russia, whereas the Xiaolong uses China's variant of the gun. The LCA has eight weapon pylons on the entire plane, with three under each wing, one under the central body of the plane, and one under the air inlets on the left side of the plane. This allows the plane to make use of a wide range of the weapon systems of the Indian Army. This includes mid and close-range air-to-air missiles, precision-guided weapons, air-to-surface (including anti-ship) missiles, conventional and retarded bombs, cluster bombs and unguided rockets. The pylons can carry a maximum weight of 4 tons. The Xiaolong has 7 external pylons, two at the tips of the wings, four under the wings and one on the belly of the fuselage. This allows it to carry the beyond-visual-range radar guided SD-10 missile and the PL-9 short-range, infrared-homing air-to-air missile, as well as air-to-surface missiles, such as anti-ship and anti-radiation missiles, laser-guided bombs, anti-runway penetration bombs and cluster bombs. It can also carry three high-capacity subsidiary oil tanks. It can carry a total of 3.6 tons externally.
The two fighters are aimed primarily at air-to-air combat, while still maintaining ground strike and anti-ship attack capabilities. The Xiaolong will likely carry two PL-5EII air-to-air homing missiles, two SD-10 mid-range air-to-air missiles and two or three subsidiary oil tanks in its standard configuration. When engaging in beyond-visual range combat, it will likely carry four SD-10 missiles. The LCA Tejas will likely be equipped with the Israeli Python-4 air-to-air missile and the Derby medium-range active radar homing missile. The Python-4 approaches the PL-5EII in terms of its capabilities, but the range of the Derby missile is a lot shorter than that of the SD-10, so the Xiaolong has the advantage in terms of beyond visual range combat.
Overall, the LCA Tejas and the Xiaolong are matched in terms of their weapons pylons and as India's own weapon production abilities are quite limited, the LCA Tejas makes use of mainly Western and Russian advanced weapon systems, which makes for a scattered weapon set, which is more challenging for the pilot to manage. The Xiaolong's weapon systems and nacelle are all designed by China, which makes for more coordination between its weapons systems and a good price-to-quality ratio, which is a big advantage for the Xiaolong.

Conclusion
The Tejas is a light multirole fighter fit for the 21st century. It uses a lot of new technology and innovation, such as its use of large amounts of composite materials, its advanced avionics system and its unique aerodynamic configuration. In terms of functionality, the LCA Tejas has good potential to be expanded into variants. For example, at a time when the air force version is yet to be commissioned widely, a ship-based version of the aircraft has already been released. The Xiaolong is a third-generation model designed for the international market. The use of off-the-shelf materials not only cuts costs but also reduces risks in the design process and improves the reliability of the aircraft. This will not make it the best aircraft, but rather a standard, cheap and reliable model for air-to-air combat.

In summation, the Xiaolong is the aircraft of today and the Tejas is the aircraft of tomorrow.

India's Tejas and China's Xiaolong fighters compared｜WCT

 

[The Vicious Kind]

Haan bhai, It is great a country that doesn't even have a Automotive sector is making planes. I guess you guys would be making the Millennium Falcon next. Yoda would approve of it.
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"By the time Mark1A is raised , Pakistan would have raised multiple squadrons of BLk3s and upgrades old ones to blk3 standard"

Good isn't it ? I am mighty impressed by the Military Industrial Complex of Pakistan. And that should make you guys happy that Tejas is such a bad aircraft that you will be swatting it out. with JF17s. (which is Highly unlikely as both are point defense fighters and would hardly ever face each other in battle, and are not meant to venture in to hostile airspace, unless in kamikaze mode).
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Pray, Yes Pakistan has huge involvement in its development. The paint job is good. I will never contest that. and it is totally Pakistan manufactured, your belief is strong. and Neither I am here to take your lecturing.
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Tejas is an investment in an ecosystem and not just a plane. Lets wait till the day they are pitted against each other. MK1A against block 3 with 150 aircrafts. shall we ?



Don't be. You have MKIs to worry about.

No one is saying that Tejas is a bad aircraft , like the BLK3 ,it will too have AESA ,IFR ,HMD and a FBW. The criticism is towards the relationship between HAL and IAF , it seems IAF doesnt want to induct this aircraft. Its not the first time that these countries are manufacturing aircraft either. I am pretty sure Tejas mark 1a ,gives IAF an equal if not better capability than the mirage 2000s. Despite the fact that the F-35 is plagued by software problems ,which wont be fixed by 2020, its is still being inducted all partners and will receive IOC next year.
So indians coming up with Tejas FOC being the main reason is a lame excuse , when f-35 will be operational, war ready with only an IOC.

Paint Job thing again ? I believe there is no cure to the diseases you guys suffer from. China wasnt even involved in the super 7 project ( precursor to Jf-17) at first, after Northrop Grumman pulled out (due to the sanctions in the 90s). Chinese were contacted, since they had experience in manufacturing license su27s. Jf-17 was tailored made to PAFs requirement.

We manufacture (not assemble) 58% percent of the parts, apart from the paint job. We are a 50/50 partner , any sales means we get 50% of that share. Its very much like the Euro fighter program , for example spain or austria might only manufacture a small portion of the aircraft but its called eurofighter and not Anglo-German fighter.

 

[knight11]

No one is saying that Tejas is a bad aircraft , like the BLK3 ,it will too have AESA ,IFR ,HMD and a FBW. The criticism is towards the relationship between HAL and IAF , it seems IAF doesnt want to induct this aircraft. Its not the first time that these countries are manufacturing aircraft either. I am pretty sure Tejas mark 1a ,gives IAF an equal if not better capability than the mirage 2000s. Despite the fact that the F-35 is plagued by software problems ,which wont be fixed by 2020, its is still being inducted all partners and will receive IOC next year.
So indians coming up with Tejas FOC being the main reason is a lame excuse , when f-35 will be operational, war ready with only an IOC.

Paint Job thing again ? I believe there is no cure to the diereses you guys suffer from. China wasnt even involved in the super 7 project ( precursor to Jf-17) at first, after Northrop Grumman pulled out (due to the sanctions in the 90s). Chinese were contacted, since they had experience in manufacturing license su27s. Jf-17 was tailored made to PAFs requirement.

We manufacture (not assemble) 58% percent of the parts, apart from the paint job. We are a 50/50 partner , any sales means we get 50% of that share. Its very much like the Euro fighter program , for example spain or austria might only manufacture a small portion of the aircraft but its called eurofighter and not Anglo-German fighter.

What ever you and me are getting the news are from the newspaper and the articles written by mumbo jumbo defense journalists. You very well know that India is the biggest importer of the weapons. So if India starts making its own weapon in India by their PSU's and Indian OEM, they will loose Billions of the profit they earn them from importing that to India. So how much do they have to pay do you think to Reutors, Media, Newspapers, experts writter, to write articles against Indian weapon.

The Magic word is FLAWED which is used by all the variants of the original article given them to copy.

In the modern world only USA, RUSSIA, and Europe can make the complete fighter plane industriously, so why blaming India for the import item. It is not practically and economically possible to develop each and every subsystem in the country. When you develop the system various subsystems can be choosed from various OEM depending of the situation and requirement.

Our ADA designer should be praised that they set so much high target which help the LCA to survive from being send to the dustbin after declared obsolute.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Guess you have not heard of the EW suite on MKIs. No is a threat.

so our F-16 and JF-17 not have ECCM to guide AMRAAM and SD-10A to your beloved Su-30MKI, you lived in fools world and fantasy land

 

[Zain Malik]

Firstly sir, open a dictionary and find out the difference between the phrases 'Made in' and 'developed by'.

58% of JF -17 is now made in Pakistan, a 100% of Su-30 MKI is made in India, but that does not mean Su -30 is an Indian aircraft.

Since Pakistan claims it to be a "Joint" Fighter, can you tell us exactly, which part of this supposed joint fighter is developed by Pakistan? And then we can compare it indigenous content of Tejas.

Secondly, do not use, so many emoticons in your posts, it makes you seem, juvenile and deranged.

u indians are changing the topic

 

[GURU DUTT]

so our F-16 and JF-17 not have ECCM to guide AMRAAM and SD-10A to your beloved Su-30MKI, you lived in fools world and fantasy land

point is its not just that PAF has BVRs we have more and much much better from Israel, France and russia and upgraded Mig29s , M2Ks & bisons all have long range BVR capability even if you keep the MKIs owt of it and all indian fighter aircrafts have datalink capability and are given a superior radar backup by long range 3D & 4D multi layered AESA & PESA land based , aerostat and AWACS radars what will you do about it then

 

[illusion8]

No one is saying that Tejas is a bad aircraft , like the BLK3 ,it will too have AESA ,IFR ,HMD and a FBW. The criticism is towards the relationship between HAL and IAF , it seems IAF doesnt want to induct this aircraft. Its not the first time that these countries are manufacturing aircraft either. I am pretty sure Tejas mark 1a ,gives IAF an equal if not better capability than the mirage 2000s. Despite the fact that the F-35 is plagued by software problems ,which wont be fixed by 2020, its is still being inducted all partners and will receive IOC next year.
So indians coming up with Tejas FOC being the main reason is a lame excuse , when f-35 will be operational, war ready with only an IOC.

Paint Job thing again ? I believe there is no cure to the diseases you guys suffer from. China wasnt even involved in the super 7 project ( precursor to Jf-17) at first, after Northrop Grumman pulled out (due to the sanctions in the 90s). Chinese were contacted, since they had experience in manufacturing license su27s. Jf-17 was tailored made to PAFs requirement.

We manufacture (not assemble) 58% percent of the parts, apart from the paint job. We are a 50/50 partner , any sales means we get 50% of that share. Its very much like the Euro fighter program , for example spain or austria might only manufacture a small portion of the aircraft but its called eurofighter and not Anglo-German fighter.

IAF is a pampered lot..They desire the best...pakfa..su30 mkis. .rafales..apaches..chinooks..phalcons...s400s..greepines...c17s...c130s...Top of the line networking. .satellites...radars..etc. They keep changing the tejas goalpost..just like they do with every other procurement.