Tejas MK-2 will fly in 2015

[SpArK]

Another defense thread derailed by a-holes.

 

[Screambowl]

Gun Powder, Gun, Cannon, Rocket, Tank, Steel, Landmine, Paper, Compass, Printing all are invented by Chinese.
Some people often claim West are superior based on "their" inventions. But as this Discovery Channel documentary shows, Europeans merely copied many inventions that originated in China.

No China, No Modern Weapons, No Modern World!

Chinese vs White Europeans - YouTube

Chinese invented gun, canon, rocket, missile, crossbow

Chinese invented gun, canon, rocket, missile, crossbow #4 - YouTube

Some Indians often claim West are superior based on "their" inventions. But as this Discovery Channel documentary shows, Europeans merely copied many inventions that originated in China. Europeans stolen ancient Chinese technologies to commit atrocities all over the world.

Things Europe Never Invented: Ancient Chinese Inventions Pt1 - YouTube

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Come to the topic or I'll report your posts. If you cannot come up with some credible argument, then remain outside.

 

[Hello_10]

india is a failed country, big talk everything, but most projects delayed and failed finally, rupee drops to record low, India Scraps Domestic Jet Engine Plan too

today we got failed states ranking as below:

Philippines 56

Indonesia 63

China 76

India 78

Russia 83

Thailand 84

Turkey 85

Failed States Index | The Fund for Peace

 

[kkacer]

Gun Powder, Gun, Cannon, Rocket, Tank, Steel, Landmine, Paper, Compass, Printing all are invented by Chinese.
Some people often claim West are superior based on "their" inventions. But as this Discovery Channel documentary shows, Europeans merely copied many inventions that originated in China.

No China, No Modern Weapons, No Modern World!

Chinese vs White Europeans - YouTube

Chinese invented gun, canon, rocket, missile, crossbow

Chinese invented gun, canon, rocket, missile, crossbow #4 - YouTube

Some Indians often claim West are superior based on "their" inventions. But as this Discovery Channel documentary shows, Europeans merely copied many inventions that originated in China. Europeans stolen ancient Chinese technologies to commit atrocities all over the world.

Things Europe Never Invented: Ancient Chinese Inventions Pt1 - YouTube

india should say thanks to china, if no china's gun powder, no modern weapons for u now india should say thanks to china, if no china's gun powder, no modern weapons for u now

 

[Sergi]

Gun Powder, Gun, Cannon, Rocket, Tank, Steel, Landmine, Paper, Compass, Printing all are invented by Chinese.
Some people often claim West are superior based on "their" inventions. But as this Discovery Channel documentary shows, Europeans merely copied many inventions that originated in China.

No China, No Modern Weapons, No Modern World!

Chinese vs White Europeans - YouTube

Chinese invented gun, canon, rocket, missile, crossbow

Chinese invented gun, canon, rocket, missile, crossbow #4 - YouTube

Some Indians often claim West are superior based on "their" inventions. But as this Discovery Channel documentary shows, Europeans merely copied many inventions that originated in China. Europeans stolen ancient Chinese technologies to commit atrocities all over the world.

Things Europe Never Invented: Ancient Chinese Inventions Pt1 - YouTube

Seriously I always thank China now I am staring to think you are my best friend Sino
So what next ???

 

[kkacer]

Come to the topic or I'll report your posts. If you cannot come up with some credible argument, then remain outside.

your indians said we chinese copied west, i just tell you west copied our great inventions first. No China, No Modern Weapons, No Modern World! face the fact

 

[Screambowl]

your indians said we chinese copied west, i just tell you west copied our great inventions first. no china inventions, no modern weapon, no modern world. face the fact

then explain me, why your WS10 A Taihang has not similar but same specifications, length, design, spools, width, weight, fuel consumption and even the weight as of Russian Saturn Lyulka turbofan. Even if the design is same, why cannot it run continuously without a halt of 2-4 hours on test bed, isn't that a failure, even after stealing copying the technology.

 

[kkacer]

then explain me, why your WS10 A Taihang has not similar but same specifications, length, design, spools, width, weight, fuel consumption and even the weight as of Russian Saturn Lyulka turbofan. Even if the design is same, why cannot it run continuously without a halt of 2-4 hours on test bed, isn't that a failure, even after stealing copying the technology.

what are u talking about ?? ws10 is not the same specifications, length, design, pools, width, weight, fuel conumption with Saturn Lyulka turbofan. big mouth india you know nothing about ws10, only big talk again are you dreaming??

 

[IndoCarib]

what are u talking about ?? ws10 is not the same specifications, length, design, pools, width, weight, fuel conumption with Saturn Lyulka turbofan. big mouth india you know nothing about ws10, only big talk again are you dreaming??

Then tell us, what is the real specifications of WS10 ???

 

[kkacer]

Specifications (WS-10A)

This unreferenced section requires citations to ensure verifiability.
General characteristics
Type: Afterburning turbofan
Length:
Diameter: 950 millimetres (37 in) inlet
Dry weight: 1,630 kilograms (3,600 lb)
Components
Compressor: 3 fan and 9 compressor stages
Combustors: annular
Turbine: 1 high-pressure and 2 low pressure stages
Performance
Maximum thrust: 132 kilonewtons (30,000 lbf) with afterburner
Bypass ratio: 0.78:1
Turbine inlet temperature: 1750 K (1,477 °C (2,691 °F))
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 7.5

WS-10 - original design producing a thrust of 126 kilonewtons (28,000 lbf)
WS-10A - upgraded variant producing a thrust of 132 kilonewtons (30,000 lbf)
WS-10B - upgraded thrust-vectored variant producing a thrust of 132 kilonewtons (30,000 lbf)
WS-10G - upgraded variant producing a thrust of 155 kilonewtons (35,000 lbf) with Thrust Vectoring and stealthy nozzles that have jagged edges and tiles

A thrust-vectoring variant with higher thrust (132 kilonewtons (30,000 lbf)), called the WS-10B, is in testing and is ready for combat aircraft installation, while an even further upgrade with higher thrust (155 kilonewtons (35,000 lbf)), designated the WS-10G, is also under testing.

ws10 is installed with j10, j11b flying everywhere in the sky of china

 

[SEAL]

Com'on ppl its not Ind vs China.

2015 is very optimistic, even it fly in 2015 Foc and Serial production will start within 2,3 years so Lca-mk2 will be ready for induction in IAF somewhere in 2018/19.

If they deliver 40 Teejas to IAF by 2015 it will be big achievement. :p

 

[Screambowl]

Specifications (WS-10A)

This unreferenced section requires citations to ensure verifiability.
General characteristics
Type: Afterburning turbofan
Length:
Diameter: 950 millimetres (37 in) inlet
Dry weight: 1,630 kilograms (3,600 lb)
Components
Compressor: 3 fan and 9 compressor stages
Combustors: annular
Turbine: 1 high-pressure and 2 low pressure stages
Performance
Maximum thrust: 132 kilonewtons (30,000 lbf) with afterburner
Bypass ratio: 0.78:1
Turbine inlet temperature: 1750 K (1,477 °C (2,691 °F))
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 7.5

WS-10 - original design producing a thrust of 126 kilonewtons (28,000 lbf)
WS-10A - upgraded variant producing a thrust of 132 kilonewtons (30,000 lbf)
WS-10B - upgraded thrust-vectored variant producing a thrust of 132 kilonewtons (30,000 lbf)
WS-10G - upgraded variant producing a thrust of 155 kilonewtons (35,000 lbf) with Thrust Vectoring and stealthy nozzles that have jagged edges and tiles

A thrust-vectoring variant with higher thrust (132 kilonewtons (30,000 lbf)), called the WS-10B, is in testing and is ready for combat aircraft installation, while an even further upgrade with higher thrust (155 kilonewtons (35,000 lbf)), designated the WS-10G, is also under testing.

ws10 is installed with j10, j11b flying everywhere in the sky of china

old but worth of reading
China has acquired Russian engines to the amount of $500 million - News - Russian Aviation - RUAVIATION.COM

Rosoboronexport and the Chinese Ministry of Defense have signed a contract on delivery of 123 Al-31FN engines to the total amount of $500 million, Lenta.ru reports.

The first 13 engines will be delivered this year and the rest will be delivered by the end of 2013. The contract will be implemented by Salut.

AL-31FN engines are widely used on Chinese J-10 and J-11 fighters (the modified copy of Su-27). China acquires Russian engines regularly since the engines manufactured in China have low reliability. The Ministry of Defense has acquired 54 engines from Russia in 2003, 100 - in 2007 and 122 - in 2009. Supposedly, most of the acquired engines have been installed on export versions of Chinese fighters in accordance with requirements of the customers.

WS-10A engines At present China manufactures WS-10 engines and its derivatives for J-10 and J-11. These engines are copies of Russian AL-31, but they have lower thrust, reliability and time between overhaul. In particular, are installed on Chinese J-15 deck-based fighter prototype (copy of Su-33), and WS-10G – on fifth-generation J-20 fighter bomber prototype.

Besides AL-31FN, China regularly acquires RD-93 engines in Russia (version of RD-33 engine for the Chinese FC-1 fighter, also delivered to Pakistan as JF-17).

Russian companies MiG and Sukhoi have demanded that Rosoboronexport should stop the deliveries of RD-93 engines to China in 2010. The China’s intention to sell FC-1 fighters to Egypt was the reason for this demand. MiG intends to enter the same market with MiG-29. It has become known later that the delivery of these engines will be continued since FC-1 is not competing with MiG-29 due to its characteristics.








those above given specifications of WS10 are same as, Russian Saturn Lyulka FN series.

 

[Darth Vader]

3-4 years delay in defence arms is nothing. have a look on either LCA mk1 or on pakistan's JF17 blk1, these aircrafts will have lost their front line use by even 2015 onward and they will then need upgrades to more than half of their techs. it is believed that most of the saturations wil occur by 2018/20 and few years delays may help LCA mk2 having most the prime techs which M-MRCA contenders had. its not just AESA radar but LCA bk2 would be as capable that 10 Rafale + 10 LCA mk2 will work as good as 20 Rafale, if IAF may delay its program for 3-4 years to have best inputs for this aircraft, which will then work for IAF till 2050, and afterward. also, India already delivery of over 42 4.5 gen aircrafts right now, why to hurry?

1st OF all My dear Keep JF 17 out of it CZ (tejas) it was started in 1980`s and JF 17 was started in 1999 and in 2002 we alrdy had prototype which was flying and now we have jf blk 1 and 2 and lol got more then 50 aircraft's ready to fight anywhere any time baby

 

[Screambowl]

GE F404 ( to be planted on Tejas)
General characteristics

Type: Afterburning turbofan
Length: 154 in (3,912 mm)
Diameter: 35 in (889 mm)
Dry weight: 2,282 lb (1,036 kg)

Components

Compressor: Axial compressor with 3 fan and 7 compressor stages
Combustors: annular
Turbine: 1 low-pressure and 1 high-pressure stage

Performance

Maximum thrust:
11,000 lbf (48.9 kN) military thrust
17,700 lbf (78.7 kN) with afterburner
Overall pressure ratio: 26:1
Bypass ratio: 0.34:1
Specific fuel consumption:
Military thrust: 0.81 lb/(lbf·h) (82.6 kg/(kN·h))
Full afterburner: 1.74 lb/(lbf·h) (177.5 kg/(kN·h))
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 7.8:1 (76.0 N/kg)
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GTRE Kaveri

GTRE KAVERI
Type: afterburning turbofan
Length: 137.4 in (3490 mm)
Diameter: 35.8 in (910 mm)
Dry weight: 2,724 lb (1,235 kg) [Goal: 2,100-2450 lb (950-1100 kg)]

the red part is what hurting IAF(not sure)

Components

Compressor: two-spool, with low-pressure (LP) and high-pressure (HP) axial compressors:
LP compressor with 3 fan stages and transonic blading
HP compressor with 6 stages, including variable inlet guide vanes and first two stators
Combustors: annular, with dump diffuser and air-blast fuel atomisers
Turbine: 1 LP stage and 1 HP stage

Performance

Maximum thrust:
Military thrust (throttled): 11,687 lbf (52.0 kN)
Full afterburner: 18,210 lbf (81.0 kN)
Specific fuel consumption:
Military thrust (throttled): 0.78 lb/(lbf•h) (79.52 kg/(kN·h))
Full afterburner: 2.03 lb/(lbf•h) (207.00 kg/(kN·h))
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 7.8:1 (76.0 N/kg)
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the Kaveri is much advance than GEF404, I think the IAF is not sure about the reliability so may be be they are not talking the chances. But Kaveri is Indeed an innovation, when it comes to the specifications and compared to other engines.

 

[kkacer]

old but worth of reading
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so what west copied china first (e.g. gun power, gun, cannon...more) , we copy back. ws15 is coming out next year , what about india. india failed finally.

by the way, ws10b is much powerful than ws10a, how about big mouth india