Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[Viper0011.]

Nonsense, it has some of the highest availability rates of any twin engined fighter.

In terms of what !!! Care to list out cost per hour flight time? That's usually outside of the purchase and infrastructure cost!

As with the Yak-130 story, there are reports floating around claiming that Pakistan may be interested in the Sukhoi Su-35, Russia’s current 4+/4.5 generation fighter. The short of my point is that it is very unlikely that Pakistan will pick up the Su-35..

I, 200% agree. Why buy such expensive jets when the Chinese will give you something very similar for 40% less and with infrastructure setup, maintenance and some TOT too??

 

[Sliver]

Rafale is also maintenance maniac \.nightmere @Sliver

compared to which platform? It is certainly a maintenance heavy fighter compared to a light craft, but i would think it would be on par with any other form the same class.

They are probably not buying SU-35, but a long range fighter/bomber is indeed need of PAF.
JF 17 is not A to Z. Every program has it's limits. Even somewhere in future, at the hight of expectations, we can assume JF 17 equal to Rafale, but it will still not be a long range and load carrying bird.
J-31 has still a long way of developments and there is huge gap between PAF and IAF. This is not 1965!
About S-300, why not HQ-9 ? Isn't it equally capable ? And PAK can have TOT from China which might not be the case with Russian deal.

most certainly not. There is a world of difference between the two. An 8th generation Honda cannot be same to a 4th generation merc.

 

[!eon]

most certainly not. There is a world of difference between the two. An 8th generation Honda cannot be same to a 4th generation merc.

That's why I have written 'at hight of expectations' for JF-17 fan boys.
Okay you have learned, and learned very good from this program, but for god's sake man, keep moving on.

 

[princefaisal]

The best solution would be to induct 60 J-10C with TOT. Its maintenance would definitely be less than twin engine aircrafts. And then induct J-31 from year 2025 onwards.

For longe range SAMs, Chinese HQ-9 and HQ-16 with phased array radars are best suited and Pakistan can get more advanced versions HQ-19 or HQ-26 in future. For medium range, Russian Pantsyr and S-350 seems effective.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Sir Bilal makes some very Powerful and Enlightening points regarding the future direction of Pakistan Air Force and its acquisition of next generation of aircraft. J-31 makes a lot of sense considering that it also uses the Russian Klimov RD-93 engine, which is already being used on JF-17 Thunder.

 

[VelocuR]

Su-35 is first step that was great gestures offering from Russia, it is up to Pakistan's requirements.

Thank you Russia. Hope something more than that.

 

[Peace seeker]

hope Pakistan air defense grow up fast.......

 

[knight11]

i don't know fanboys are exciting about that but no Pakistan will not induct a single russian fighter take my words

There is a pakistani member named zarwan who claims the opposite with reference to his so called SOURCE.

They are probably not buying SU-35, but a long range fighter/bomber is indeed need of PAF.
JF 17 is not A to Z. Every program has it's limits. Even somewhere in future, at the hight of expectations, we can assume JF 17 equal to Rafale, but it will still not be a long range and load carrying bird.
J-31 has still a long way of developments and there is huge gap between PAF and IAF. This is not 1965! Don't expect any dogfights now. Machine intelligence has taken over pilot skills.
About S-300, why not HQ-9 ? Isn't it equally capable ? And PAK can have TOT from China which might not be the case with Russian deal.

JF-17 in the present state is not close to Rafale and why do you need long range load carrying bird if for the offensive attack against IAF and SAM network in India you need numbers also.

S300 and HQ-9 (chinese copy of S300) is not a good for Indo-Pak conditions. It was design for destroying the U.S long range, stealth, strandoff attack planes. Both the systems are very expensive and even Indian army and IAF is not interested in them. For IAF and Indian army BARAK-ng(land version)and akash is better option. For PAF Spada 2000 is a good SAM but they need that in more quantity linked with c4 network

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Add to the analysis the selective language of the sale of the Mi-35s: "Would be provided at the request of the Anti-Narcotic Forces".

 

[Areesh]

I always had this opinion. PAF would never go for SU 35 for a lot of reasons.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

I always had this opinion. PAF would never go for SU 35 for a lot of reasons.

They are already offering to china.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Canards? What about the fuselage?

BERLIN --- Industry has established, in the context of quality controls. that a manufacturing defect has caused a large number of small holes in the rear fuselage of Eurofighter aircraft

The reasons for this are inadequate finishing by the manufacturer BAE Systems.

Since the impact of these problems on the life of the airframe cannot be predicted, a reduction of flight hours recommended by industry was introduced as an additional safety measure. With immediate effect, the service life of the Eurofighter aircraft has been halved, from 3,000 flight hours to 1,500 flight hours.

The manufacturing defect described has, according to industry, no impact on the current flight safety and operational capability of the Eurofighter weapon system. Training and deployment operations continue to be assured.

To avoid any disadvantages and to protect the rights of the Ministry of Defense as a result of this under-performance, acceptance of further aircraft was suspended pending resolution of the commercial aspects of this issue.


(EDITOR’S NOTE: A German air force spokesman told Defense-Aerospace.com Oct. 1 that the problem is caused by splinters that could eventually cause cracks in the airframe.
However, as German Eurofighters will not reach the reduced 1,500-hour lifetime until 2018, the Ministry of Defence is not unduly worried sine the aircraft remain airworthy.
The Eurofighter’s design service life is 6,000 flight hours, and is due to be gradually extended beyond the previous 3,000-hour limit as flight data accumulates.
However, it has suspended all Eurofighter deliveries, and will not resume them until the problem is fully investigated and fixed, the spokesman said.
He added the problem had come to light at the end of last week, when the air force was notified by letter by the manufacturer, Airbus Defence and Space.
Neither BAE Systems nor Eurofighter GmbH had responded to our request for comment by 12:00 GMT today.)
Eurofighter: Air Force Flight Operations Currently Not Affected By Flight Hours Reduction

a reduction in 50% life span is merely a minor issue those problems are being addressed in the trance 3 variant and the life span will be doubled from 3000 hours to 6000 hours.

 

[RazorMC]

They are already offering to china.

China's geographic size requires a long-range air superiority fighter and Russia needs the cash. Negotiations had been ongoing for a couple of years for 24 units, but the Russians wanted China to buy atleast 48.

Due to recent changes in Russia's foreign policy and cash issues, they settled on 24 despite knowing China might reverse-engineer them.

Plus, China can pay upfront for the birds, can't say the same for Pakistan right now.

Sir Bilal makes some very Powerful and Enlightening points regarding the future direction of Pakistan Air Force and its acquisition of next generation of aircraft. J-31 makes a lot of sense considering that it also uses the Russian Klimov RD-93 engine, which is already being used on JF-17 Thunder.

The engine costs will go down, affecting both aircraft. It would seem a win-win for both China and Pakistan. But China is looking to improve its own engines to use them on J-31 (WS-13).

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Pakistan will not Get Su-35 For sure they will get J-10 and J-11 and in Future J-31 most probably....

 

[Super Falcon]

Chinese J 20 and J 31 are still decade we have to wait even J 10 which we ordered is almost took decade to operate and when it is operation we took stupid decision

What gurantees we have what we did to J 10 we dont do J 20 when it is available

PAF is at mercy of IAF wih limited range of SAMs it operates is a headache in itself

Most of our F 16 are 3 decades old

Only 24 new F 16 and old 50 f 16 along with 70 odd Jf 17 all are multi role single engine jets

Cant fight massive SU 30 fleet along with Rafale mirages mig 29k

All these jets are twin engine and can carry double pay load double the speed and range

Today our skies have threat from massive IAF and now IN also uses Mig 29k jets

Our limited thinking will cost us air war which means we loose land and naval war

When india issued MRCA tender Paf said we wait until what india chooses than we react

But still PAF mentality is blocked by limitations

Paf needs to fill gap of twin engine jet

Countriez like indonesia dont have maintanance issue of SU 30

Being a professional force PAF should not think negatively on maintanance look positive how these flankers give you edge in war

If we need to bomb new dehli PAF with current firce cant do it

If syria can operate mig 31 which is also need hell of maintanance what prob paf had