Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[abdulbarijan]

google what ??

"they always impose sanction on us and we always broke that"

Do you understand English

Thats quite ironic, coming from a person who said the following just yesterday ...

AND SINCE YOU CLAIMS TO HAVE A MANAGEMENT BACKGROUND YOU WILL APPRECIATE THAT IT WON'T BE ECONOMICAL FISSIABLE TO HAVE AN ASSETS WHICH I POINTED OUT AS INVENTORY AAE. I AM NOT FROM MANAGEMENT BACKGROUND RATHER TECHNICAL BUT DO KNOW HOW EVERYONE HAVE TO DO ITS JOB AND FOLLOW HIS WORK FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURE AND REST ASSURE I AM NOT SO DUMP WHO COPY/PASTING FROM HERE AND THERE WHAT YOU ARE THINKING OF ?

 

[My-Analogous]

These people thinks that there IQ is superior to everyone including Aliens and always speaks shits

Oh now I see. Thanx for the info.

respect sr members

 

[My-Analogous]

I mentioned about Pakistan perspective . India is happy with Russians products everybody knows it .




Its unimaginable if is it in the hands failed state/ upcoming pariah state like Pakistan .

Stop trolling and start talking like a gentleman and post your comments with proof. Grown up

@waz @Horus @WebMaster

Please deal with him with proper protocol

 

[Last Samuri]

Pakistanis AND Indians LETS calm down.

LETS SEE WHAT UNFOLDS with the SU35 rumours.

I am pleasantly surprised at HOW MUCH EXCITMENT the Pakistanis have over a Flanker purchase

For decade we watch you Pakistanis tell us HOW CRAP THE RUSSIAN fighters are

Very interesting AND TELLING I think,

The Flankers will cost alot more than what you guys have paid for a fighter in your history
They will cost you twice the amount to service and fly of any current PAF fighter.

But if by some miracle this actually happens YOU are acquiring a beast of a fighter and the Indians know as they swear by their MKI

 

[Zephyrus]

Analysts Skeptical Over Pakistan-Russia Su-35 Negotiations

Pakistan has never operated a twin-engine fighter aircraft, but Tufail says this has been a shortcoming.

Do I need to remind you about the A5? the F6?

 

[frashid30@hotmail.com]

Hello guys this story is dead. I've just spoken to a few people in the circles of power. The story is nonsense. It's amazing how everyone on here has gotten carried away with it. PAF has asked for a possible series of joint exercises involving Russian Su35s as part of the burgeoning relationship masterminded by China. PAF GUYS IS WORKING WITH CHINA TO HAVE A STEALTH ASSET DELIVERED.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I believe if SU-35 deal is indeed going on then China is def behind financing of this deal... China wants to protect its assets from air threats so they want to make shore PAF is better equipped as F-16 is out of question and JF-17 is not enough...

 

[ejaz007]

Analysts Skeptical Over Pakistan-Russia Su-35 Negotiations

ISLAMABAD — Analysts are generally skeptical at present of reports Pakistan and Russia are engaged in negotiations for the delivery of a number of Su-35 Flanker E fighter aircraft, though there is a potential requirement for such a heavy fighter.

The reports, first published in Russian media, cited Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov as saying both sides were negotiating for the delivery of an unspecified number of Su-35 jets alongside the Mi-35M "Hind E" helicopter gunships that have recently been agreed upon.

However, no word on any such negotiations was received from the Ministry of Defence Production in Pakistan when asked for comment on the issue. The agency also handles acquisition.

Experts are generally skeptical of any Su-35 being acquired by Pakistan.

Author, analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, Brian Cloughley, said he "would be most surprised if there were to be any arrangement for provision of Su-35s."

"The Indians would be extremely upset, to the point of a major diplomatic rift," Cloughley said.

Though India is actively seeking to diversify its source of equipment from reliance on Russia, and the latter is seeking a new customer that includes limited defense sales to Pakistan, the Indo-Russian relationship is still very strong as evidenced by the co-development of the next generation PAK-FA stealth aircraft.

Analyst, author and former Pakistani Air Force pilot Kaiser Tufail is also unconvinced at present that negotiations for the Su-35 are actually underway.

"To me it seems more like an offer by the Russians, more than anything else," he said.

Many analysts have considered the current Pakistani plan to carry on investing in the JF-17 Thunder program, and acquire further new or surplus F-16s if possible, to be the optimal way of modernizing its air power as well as reducing combat types. A role for such a heavy fighter as the Su-35 has not generally been envisioned.

However, Tufail says there is a possible need for something in this class on two accounts: diversification and to support naval operations.

The Su-35 "being a twin-engined aircraft with vast range (and endurance), it would help us to have a significant and potent presence in the Arabian Sea, something that the puny, aging Mirage squadron is ill-suited for (as is the JF-17 from the range point of view)," he said. "Given the changing geo-politics and the Chinese investment whose trade terminus is Gwadar, there is definitely going to be a need for a long-range fighter. So essentially, I see it as a guarantor of maritime security as far as the airspace is concerned."

Pakistan has never operated a twin-engine fighter aircraft, but Tufail says this has been a shortcoming.

"This has been a yawning gap in [the air force's] capabilities. These fighters would also allow unhindered patrolling by the naval [long range maritime patrol aircraft], as well as providing top cover to our fleet at sea," he said.

He does not see this as a departure from the established defense posture, but recognition of an existing shortcoming.

"All of this may sound like a sudden switch from continental strategy to a maritime one, but it is high time that we paid serious attention to this aspect in the fast changing geopolitical scenario."

Pakistan's air power over the Arabian Sea already received a boost this month when No. 2 'Minhas' Squadron based in Karachi was re-equipped September 6 with the JF-17 Block II after surrendering its Chengdu F-7P fighters.

Speaking at the time, Tufail said this was overdue: "The re-equipment of [No. 2 'Minhas' Squadron] was due as they had the oldest lot of F-7s. The JF-17 was the obvious replacement."

However, he did not believe it would take over the anti-shipping strike role from the Mirage 5, which he flew during his air force career, even though the JF-17 can carry the C-802A/CSS-N-8 Saccade or the supersonic CM-400AKG.

"This, however, does not necessarily imply that it will immediately take over the maritime attack role. The Mirage-5PA2/3 is still a capable aircraft, though long in the tooth by now. Most likely, the replacement of these Mirages would have a maritime role, so it could be a couple of years before we see a newer capability," he said.

Whether that replacement is the Su-35, however, remains to be seen.

Analysts Skeptical Over Pakistan-Russia Su-35 Negotiations

 

[deckingraj]

Agree with you....you can't say its a game changer but it does give an edge....if you ignore the RCS part the radar will definitely play a role in the selection of an aircraft.....how do you compare the BARS PESA radar on board the Su-35 with an AESA radar that has 1200 modules?????

no question about the radar...i just wanted to point the RCS thing...now if you are a raptor then its a different ball game otherwise this talk of RCS can come handly only if there are some obvious gaps in the radar cover n/w that we both are putting against each other...

As i said, we may get it or we may not and from what i gather is that the media may have got it's Apples and Oranges mixed.
In any case, regardless of the outcome, as Russia did say, if India can buy from America, what can stop Russia from selling to any potential buyer..... specially after the MRCCA fiasco, would Russia or for that matter any other country place all eggs vin one basket.

The answer lies in the bold part itself. What stops Russia to sell anything(worth) to our potential adversary is the risk of loosing further share in a lucrative Indian defense markets. To be honest this is the worst time to loose India as a customer because with growing economy our defense needs are growing exponentially....Our defense industry is no where capable of matching this burgeoning requirements and there is a reason we are the worlds biggest importer of defense weaponry(not something we want to stick to though). Pakistan cannot match Indian market and nor does can pay hard cash all the time(may seek easy loans etc)....so if we look at purely from economic perspective(and ignore India-russia decades old relationship) this deal doesn't make any sense. Unless and until Russia takes India into confidence i don't see this going anywhere but disappointment for Pakistani friends....

 

[araz]

Thats quite ironic, coming from a person who said the following just yesterday ...

If I had to have a guess his younger sibling wrote that onerrather than him. OR that was him in which case he is copy pasting from some source. But then what does an old man like me know!!!!!!

 

[aliyusuf]

Analysts Skeptical Over Pakistan-Russia Su-35 Negotiations
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Pakistan has never operated a twin-engine fighter aircraft, but Tufail says this has been a shortcoming.
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Analysts Skeptical Over Pakistan-Russia Su-35 Negotiations

F-6 were twin engined and were operated for more than 3 decades by the PAF. The A-5, an F-6 derivative, was also twin engined and served for more than 2 decades.

How can Air Cmdr.® Kaiser Tufail make such a statement? One could have accepted him saying that the PAF never operated a heavy fighter or a twin-engined heavy fighter. But this is not what is presented in the article.

Puts a question mark on the veracity of the content as presented by Usman Ansari.

 

[salman-1]

Russians might agree to sell Su-35 as they are also cash strapped. Question is not would they sell or not. They are willing to sale. Question is how and on what terms they would sale, as PAF would be asking for transfer of technology for those parts which are consumed more for servicing and keeping that giant operational at all time. PAF won't keep Su's like India does, i.e 50% fleet ground all the time. Only if Russia agrees to give help for reducing costs to fly it only then PAF would sit in it. Can't afford any kind of risk like in the case of F-16. These elephants whatever type need constant mother feed who ever adopts them. My personal guess is PAF would go for 36-40 with contracts of overhauling and spare parts manufacturing whatever type they go for.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

from radio pakistan


Russian Deputy FM says his country is engaged in talks with Pakistan for delivery of Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets.



Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov has said that his country is engaged in talks with Pakistan for the delivery of Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets.

He told Russian News Agency that both the countries had previously agreed upon delivery of these helicopters and modalities for their delivey are being finalized.

The Russian Minister termed Pakistan as close partner of his country hoping that cooperation between the countries will
further grow various fields as well including energy
.

The twin-engine Su-35 is a fourth generation multi-role combat aircraft which also incorporates technology from fifth generation jets.

 

[Ultima Thule]

but you forgot that it was hindoos who floated and still beleve in karma (sansrit=your deeds) and bieng evil short dark yaindoos we know what we are doing so dont worry stay tuned as it was not india that was the agressor ... but lets not go there or we will go of topic .... thread is about Su-35 and fact is pakistan is gettiong none ... but no harm in dreaming


cant say about anyone else but as per current statndards both indian versions of Mig29s/fulcrums and MKI/flankers are considerred to be the best and most leathel of there kind owtside russia [/QUOTE/]
yes i admit that su-30MKI and MIG-29K are one of the most advance fighter in asia

 

[Blue Marlin]

but you forgot that it was hindoos who floated and still beleve in karma (sansrit=your deeds) and bieng evil short dark yaindoos we know what we are doing so dont worry stay tuned as it was not india that was the agressor ... but lets not go there or we will go of topic .... thread is about Su-35 and fact is pakistan is gettiong none ... but no harm in dreaming


cant say about anyone else but as per current statndards both indian versions of Mig29s/fulcrums and MKI/flankers are considerred to be the best and most leathel of there kind owtside russia

lets not bring religion in to the thread. thats just asking for a troll like response