Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[Imran Khan]

Nahi aa rahay relax boys.

Russia can't sell to pakistan indians will and stop the deal EVEN IF it comes close to being signed.

so humy saapny to na dikhao yaar dil toot gya mera

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

then why we are looking for su-35?

So that Uncle Sam offer us the deal which is difficult to deny.

 

[Imran Khan]

So that Uncle Sam offer us the deal which is difficult to deny.

and whats we are looking boss i don't think uncle can offer us more f-35?

 

[batmannow]

so humy saapny to na dikhao yaar dil toot gya mera

Don't worry this time ,time has changed Russia is no more under anyone s influence & they want to get to gwadar !
So its conning up !

 

[Imran Khan]

Don't worry this time ,time ha changed Russia is no more under anyone s influence & they want to get to gwadar !
So its conning up !

i am not optimist until i see them i can't believe it

 

[batmannow]

so humy saapny to na dikhao yaar dil toot gya mera

Don't worry this time ,time ha changed Russia is no more under anyone s influence & they want to get to gwadar !
So its conning up !

i am not optimist until i see them i can't believe it

Been optimist is other thing being negative is other ?
This time , Russia has its gurntees from China with all the financial investment & to share what will be th future they are making together by investing the economic corridor through Pakistan ?
Plan has been finalized these operations in Karachi ,Baluchistan later in punjab & KPK all are done for clearance for the economic coridor ?
For the safety & security of that massive project Russia & china are ready to rock & roll with us .

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Dude, J11 was copy of SU30 Mkk. . J16 is just extension of j11 and j15.
It is just based on j11 airframe.
Thats why There should be No copyright issue on j16s , I think.

well i read that part somewhere on this forum maybe m wrong

 

[Imran Khan]

Don't worry this time ,time ha changed Russia is no more under anyone s influence & they want to get to gwadar !
So its conning up !

Been optimist is other thing being negative is other ?
This time , Russia has its gurntees from China with all the financial investment & to share what will be th future they are making together by investing the economic corridor through Pakistan ?
Plan has been finalized these operations in Karachi ,Baluchistan later in punjab & KPK all are done for clearance for the economic coridor ?
For the safety & security of that massive project Russia & china are ready to rock & roll with us .

i wish you are right but after many failures i have no hope is this .

 

[batmannow]

i wish you are right but after many failures i have no hope is this .

Yar , I know but every time is not the same time be together ,& united we will pass this river of blood & fire ?

 

[Indus Falcon]

Mere Existence of Su-35 Fighter Already Problem for US Air Superiority
© AFP 2015/ ERIC FEFERBERG
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE
11.09.2015

The US media has sounded the alarm that the F-15, which the US Air Force touts as an “all-weather, extremely maneuverable, tactical fighter designed to gain and maintain air superiority in aerial combat”, is now facing tough competition from Russia’s Sukhoi Su-35 (NATO reporting name Flanker E), and wonders which would win in a face-to-face battle.

The US seems to be losing its presumed air superiority.

Its F-15 Eagle, which was believed to be able to “penetrate enemy defense and outperform and outfight current or projected enemy aircraft", seems to be losing its ground, according to the US magazine The National Interest.


Russian Su-35 Fighter Jet Sees Export Orders Soar
“In terms of pure kinematic performance, the Su-35 is slightly slower than the F-15C in terms of max speed but it can out accelerate the Eagle with its powerful twin Saturn Izdeliye 117S engines, which put out 31,900lbs of thrust each. Further, when the jet is relatively lightly loaded, it can maintain supersonic speeds without the use of its afterburners.”


Maneuverability at a Low Speed is Also an Area of Advantage for Russia’s Su-35:

“Where the Su-35 does have an insurmountable edge is at low speeds. The Flanker-E has three-dimensional thrust vectoring and is unbelievably maneuverable at low speeds.”

However, the magazine adds, “a lot of it is going to come down to pilot skill and, frankly, luck”:

Scary Duo: US in Fear of Russia, China to Crush on Its Stealth Aircraft
“Given the advent of helmet mounted cuing systems and high off-boresight missiles like the AIM-9X and Russian R-73, more often than not, close in visual encounters tend to be 'mutual kill' situations as many pilots can attest.”


In terms of the built-in equipment, the F-15C and the F-15E seem to hold their ground. However, the Su-35 “does hold a fleeting advantage" for passive sensors, while the F-15 is yet to receive “a very capable” built-in infrared search and track system (IRST).

“At longer ranges, the F-15C and the F-15E still have the advantage over the Su-35 with their active electronically scanned array radars. The Raytheon APG-63 (v) 3 and APG-82 (v)1 on the two Eagle variants are still considerably superior to the Su-35S’ Tikhomirov IRBIS-E phased array radar. The Su-35 does hold a fleeting advantage for now for passive sensors since it has a built-in infrared search and track system (IRST), but the F-15 fleet will receive a very capable IRST in the near future—nullifying the Flanker’s edge.”

The Flanker-E's Electronic Warfare Suite is Yet Another Area Where it “Holds the Edge”:

“The Su-35S boasts a potent digital radio frequency memory jamming suite that can wreck havoc with the AIM-120 AMRAAM missile. While American missiles are likely to eventually make it through, it will take many more missiles to achieve a kill than planners were counting on. The Su-35, meanwhile, carries a huge arsenal of air-to-air missiles versus the F-15 fleet’s obsolete defensive electronics.”


With all the above in mind, the outlet has finally found some ground to reassure itself that the danger is not that imminent. It hopes that the Su-35's advantages are going to play against the F-15, only if “the United States would be fighting a war against Russia or some other great power — like China”

“That’s not likely to happen,” it wishfully asserts.

"What's more likely to happen is that a F-15 would run into a Su-35 operated by some Third World despot. The pilots are not likely to have the training, tactics or experience to fight against an American aviator with a realistic chance of winning,” it reassures itself.

“Some random Third World power is not likely to be able generate a fully operational jet much of the time. Furthermore, other than Russia and China, a potential adversary is not likely to have an AWACS (airborne early warning and control system) or full ground controlled intercept capabilities—which further hampers the enemy.”

The Sukhoi Su-35 Fighter

The Sukhoi Su-35 fighter is a single-seat twin-engine super-maneuverable multirole fighter, built by the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association in Russia's Far East and designed by Sukhoi, which has a contract to deliver 48 of the planes to the Russian Air Force before the end of 2015.

The Su-35 is known as a 4++ generation aircraft, which employs fifth generation technology, rendering it superior to other fourth generation fighters currently under development. The Su-35 is also a more reliable option than other fifth generation planes which are in their development phase, the best known of which are the US F-35, the Chinese J-20, and the Sukhoi PAK-FA [T-50].

Mere Existence of Su-35 Fighter Already Problem for US Air Superiority

 

[batmannow]

well i read that part somewhere on this forum maybe m wrong

Under no condition even with just a air frame or design China can sell any picture of flankers to any one ?

 

[Imran Khan]

Mere Existence of Su-35 Fighter Already Problem for US Air Superiority
© AFP 2015/ ERIC FEFERBERG
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE
11.09.2015

The US media has sounded the alarm that the F-15, which the US Air Force touts as an “all-weather, extremely maneuverable, tactical fighter designed to gain and maintain air superiority in aerial combat”, is now facing tough competition from Russia’s Sukhoi Su-35 (NATO reporting name Flanker E), and wonders which would win in a face-to-face battle.

The US seems to be losing its presumed air superiority.

Its F-15 Eagle, which was believed to be able to “penetrate enemy defense and outperform and outfight current or projected enemy aircraft", seems to be losing its ground, according to the US magazine The National Interest.


Russian Su-35 Fighter Jet Sees Export Orders Soar
“In terms of pure kinematic performance, the Su-35 is slightly slower than the F-15C in terms of max speed but it can out accelerate the Eagle with its powerful twin Saturn Izdeliye 117S engines, which put out 31,900lbs of thrust each. Further, when the jet is relatively lightly loaded, it can maintain supersonic speeds without the use of its afterburners.”


Maneuverability at a Low Speed is Also an Area of Advantage for Russia’s Su-35:

“Where the Su-35 does have an insurmountable edge is at low speeds. The Flanker-E has three-dimensional thrust vectoring and is unbelievably maneuverable at low speeds.”

However, the magazine adds, “a lot of it is going to come down to pilot skill and, frankly, luck”:

Scary Duo: US in Fear of Russia, China to Crush on Its Stealth Aircraft
“Given the advent of helmet mounted cuing systems and high off-boresight missiles like the AIM-9X and Russian R-73, more often than not, close in visual encounters tend to be 'mutual kill' situations as many pilots can attest.”


In terms of the built-in equipment, the F-15C and the F-15E seem to hold their ground. However, the Su-35 “does hold a fleeting advantage" for passive sensors, while the F-15 is yet to receive “a very capable” built-in infrared search and track system (IRST).

“At longer ranges, the F-15C and the F-15E still have the advantage over the Su-35 with their active electronically scanned array radars. The Raytheon APG-63 (v) 3 and APG-82 (v)1 on the two Eagle variants are still considerably superior to the Su-35S’ Tikhomirov IRBIS-E phased array radar. The Su-35 does hold a fleeting advantage for now for passive sensors since it has a built-in infrared search and track system (IRST), but the F-15 fleet will receive a very capable IRST in the near future—nullifying the Flanker’s edge.”

The Flanker-E's Electronic Warfare Suite is Yet Another Area Where it “Holds the Edge”:

“The Su-35S boasts a potent digital radio frequency memory jamming suite that can wreck havoc with the AIM-120 AMRAAM missile. While American missiles are likely to eventually make it through, it will take many more missiles to achieve a kill than planners were counting on. The Su-35, meanwhile, carries a huge arsenal of air-to-air missiles versus the F-15 fleet’s obsolete defensive electronics.”


With all the above in mind, the outlet has finally found some ground to reassure itself that the danger is not that imminent. It hopes that the Su-35's advantages are going to play against the F-15, only if “the United States would be fighting a war against Russia or some other great power — like China”

“That’s not likely to happen,” it wishfully asserts.

"What's more likely to happen is that a F-15 would run into a Su-35 operated by some Third World despot. The pilots are not likely to have the training, tactics or experience to fight against an American aviator with a realistic chance of winning,” it reassures itself.

“Some random Third World power is not likely to be able generate a fully operational jet much of the time. Furthermore, other than Russia and China, a potential adversary is not likely to have an AWACS (airborne early warning and control system) or full ground controlled intercept capabilities—which further hampers the enemy.”

The Sukhoi Su-35 Fighter

The Sukhoi Su-35 fighter is a single-seat twin-engine super-maneuverable multirole fighter, built by the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association in Russia's Far East and designed by Sukhoi, which has a contract to deliver 48 of the planes to the Russian Air Force before the end of 2015.

The Su-35 is known as a 4++ generation aircraft, which employs fifth generation technology, rendering it superior to other fourth generation fighters currently under development. The Su-35 is also a more reliable option than other fifth generation planes which are in their development phase, the best known of which are the US F-35, the Chinese J-20, and the Sukhoi PAK-FA [T-50].

Mere Existence of Su-35 Fighter Already Problem for US Air Superiority

now we start praising flankers some months ago we hate them and say russian junk

 

[Indus Falcon]

now we start praising flankers some months ago we hate them and say russian junk

Not saying anything, this was published in Sputnik, and it sounded very balanced, that's why I posted it.

Secondly, Russian hardware has reliability issues and are maintenance intensive, to what extent this is has been improved upon, I don't know.

 

[nadeemkhan110]

Imran Khan,

We don't need a lot of them---3 sqdrn's of SU35 or J11D's and 3 sqdrn's of JH7B's-----air to surface Babur cruise missiles---LR SA missiles and then let us see where the threats comes from---.

We need su-35 in a good figure but we don't need jh7B

 

[batmannow]

now we start praising flankers some months ago we hate them and say russian junk

It happens all the time , its called mind games ?