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per bhai they need yet another "friend" and since they have no choice they yet again shoot themselfs in foot again just keep watching abhi to aur bhaterre manazir dekhne ko baaki hainSu-35 will never go to Pakistan... Russians are trolling Indians.
Bro pak doesn't buy stuff in that way...You obviously have no idea on how much we buy from Russia. India has decided not to put all of its eggs in one basket for sure but that does not mean Russia will stop getting sales from India. Russia and India have taken the defence deals one step ahead and looking to be partners or let me just say India wants to be a learning partner, such deals cost even more since some amount of learning and ToT takes place. Stop fooling yourself by talking about 1 paise and 5 paise when you don't get it at all. Ok so what else can Pak buy say after the SU-35 that can effectively replace Indian sales for Russia?
Please don't bring in warm waters and the fabled silk route, while being strategic for Russia too its not strategic enough for Russia to lose India.
Good analysis. If India does decide to sour its relationship with Russia it will be a velvet divorce meaning not one that will stop every deal between the two. Russia too knows it can still milk India for spares and it decides not to, it will further lose dollars which will be a double whammy! it's not as simple as Pakistanis see it here on this forum.
Let's assume Indo-Russian relations spiral downhill. Unlike Pakistan, India has multiple resources to re-instate airplanes of similar caliber. We currently have over or close to 200 SU 30MKI that can easily be reduced to 75 effectively while the rest can be canablized for spares until replacements arrive. Not a very good scenario but enough still while combined with our navy and army to keep any adventurism from Pakistan away.
Lastly, If Russia does so, it will signal to the world what its intentions are and put India in a space where several countries from the west will easily help. Very unlikely for long term friends but India will lose little in terms of its military edge against its only enemy, Pak.
Military aside something that Pakistanis never get is trade and economics. China or Russia do not think like Pakistan. Trade is very essential for the two and India is a huge growing market that Pakistan can never ever replace. Killing relations with India hence is never an option for Russia or China.
If push comes to shove India will decide to buy twice the number of squadrons you wish to at inflated cost just to deny you any advantages, you still think Russia will be interested? Sure, relations between Pak-Russia will continue to rise but Russia trying to replace India with Pakistan is sadly only a Pakistani dream.
Without going into actual purchase issues, let me point out a problem with that line of thinking. If the defence budget is $8 billion, it would probably leave about $ 2-3 billion available for capital purchase, the rest having gone for expenses. That will then have to be divided by the three forces, the PA getting the largest portion. The actual amount available for the Air Force would be a small portion of that & that would be for all purchases, not just one. More likely that the government would have to add a separate component in the budget to manage such purchases.
per bhai they need yet another "friend" and since they have no choice they yet again shoot themselfs in foot again just keep watching abhi to aur bhaterre manazir dekhne ko baaki hain
so they will dump India and go with bankrupt Pakistan.....what a logic
yes my point is little deeper then that PAF knows it but they are Russian and Pakistani just playing for their own reasonsThis is an important point and something that the PAF leadership would have given ample thought to.
question is what will russia do
do you realli think it will give away prospects of selling india 100+ FGFA/PAKFA to sell pakistan couple of squads od su-35
tell me if you are a factory owner and you have a good old coustmer who is buying most of your produce will you upset buisness terms with him just because his competitor( who always bought its stuff from your compititor ) wants to buy some stuff from you and that too in 1/10 the ammount of merchandise which your old coustmer has already made deal with you and is in talks to do a simmilar deal for your next project
if im in your shoes i will onli go for the smaller coustmer when he is ready to dish owt a impressive premium for my goods and that too in cash + on my terms /.... question is are you in a position to make such a deal
im not trolling or making a flame bate simple buisness talk nothing personal ... OK
Not sure if the price figures are correct since elsewhere i read Rafale to be in the region of 80 million.
In any case, in the past PAF had a look at both the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale.
The then PAF airchief even had test flown a Typhoon but nicely declined it. Perhaps it never met or suited PAF's doctrine.
This deal is a possibility.
If YES , then it will be a game changer for PAF, as the jet and its variants are the best available in world today and Pakistan can neutralize any threat from Indian side with this formidable fighter.
If NO, then all the variants are old design Russian junk, with bad reputation, bad costs and better options are available from other countries like J-11 and JF-17 can easily match Su-30 variants.
in short there is a big IF ..... cheers mateThe problem with this analogy is that its not a simple business we're talking about ... It's an owner with a collection of different businesses ... Lets say Russia is Business A ... Now this good old/loyal customer A (India) ---- when he was poor, got all the stuff from this business .. Now that he is getting a bit wealthy .... he is now exploring his options going to a businesses which happens to be the direct rival and the one that orchestrated the fall of "business A" a few decades ago .. what's more ... this loyal customer instead of showing loyalty went with another option when it came to his biggest deal of products in his history of purchases ... this loyal customer is now also considering lowering the numbers of another done deal ....
In comes Customer B (pakistan) which can only buy a certain number of products.. lets go by your numbers .. just 1/10th of the Loyal Customer A ... but this "Customer B" offers a pathway to the business , in essence giving an opportunity to access different markets alot more cheaply, to help other businesses of the "Business A" ... and even though this customer was not preferred at first ... but is friend to a key ally ...
Hence the SU-35 deal if ( and there is a big IF) ... signed ... will only be a small link in a bigger chain of cooperation between Pakistan and Russia ... while India continues to explore different options in the west ... and is treated like another "big customer" and not as the previous "all weather friend" like it used to be ..
No, they will milk India and go with a golden opportunity called Pakistan.