Taiwan's President Ma: China progress 'disappointing'

[XiaoYaoZi]

I think it benefits all of us to maintain our respective Strategic Ambiguities. Yet at the same time, i think its healthy to discourse on the political machinations as well as the military interventive policies that may require prudent consideration. Given, the Japanese economy is heavily entrenched and embedded in Taiwan, the same as Taiwan in Japan. Any military attack on our Taiwanese friends will be equivalent to an attack on Japan itself.
I'm not saying Japan will intervene, I'm not saying Japan will not intervene ; I'm just saying its mature politics to consider contingencies.
Regards my English friend.

For Japan or other western countries except US, it has no the strength and quality to play this Strategic Ambiguities. Your "strategy" is absolutely transparent for us and seriously antienergic for you. Even US its leverage on this issue is very weak after 2006 when the importance of Taiwan issue has been reduced by CCP . For CCP this issue has become a trivial.

 

[Aepsilons]

Yes, good to consider contigencies, but Japan wont intervene, for that im sure. Too little to gain,too much to lose. Maybe some economic sanctions and diplomatic protests at best.
The U.Sis another matter, since it has muchmore presence/influence in the region asa hegemon, so it will be a bigger threat to its strangle hold in the region. So to limit china from breaking off the first island chain , it MIGHT intervene.

If the United States intervenes, the Japan MUST intervene. It is a specific clause within the new articulation of Collective Self Defense. Afterall, the United States Navy and the Japanese Navy can address any naval threat in the world. Of that I am very , very confident and sure.

Just watch; after Tsai wins in 2016, I believe that a Japan-Taiwan Special Relations Act will be signed. After that, who knows, perhaps a Taiwan-Japan-United States Security Apparatus. IN Fact, we just held a recent Taiwan-Japan-United States Trilateral Security Dialogue this past December 2014.

Please refer, Please review,
Thanks,

Taiwan-US-Japan Trilateral Security Dialogue conference papers

 

[LowPost]

I hope not, but I'm sure he would be given political asylum in Japan.

Hmm... Japan would most likely support Taiwan in case of the attack and Tokyo would grant him, as a CPC sympathiser, asylum? I'm also hoping that I'd be fine too if that hypothetical invasion happened whilst I were to reside in Germany or any other Western country because the governments of the West would, similar to Tokyo, back Taibei.

 

[Aepsilons]

Ahahahah.....nice 1.



Yes, good to consider contigencies, but Japan wont intervene, for that im sure. Too little to gain,too much to lose. Maybe some economic sanctions and diplomatic protests at best.
The U.Sis another matter, since it has muchmore presence/influence in the region asa hegemon, so it will be a bigger threat to its stranglehold in the region. So to limit china from breaking off the first island chain , it MIGHT intervene.

Remember the Taiwan Special Relations Act with the United States. The United State is linked to the defense of Taiwan. The United States will have more to lose if Taiwan falls to the hands of Beijing; it would lose hegemony of the Western Pacific, and China will have the ability to counter and infringe United States pacific interests in Palau, Guam, the Northern Marianas. This is a strategic 'No No'. Keeping China contained in her territorial waters by promoting an independent Taiwan , and to disrupt any Taiwan-China Reunification Processes is actually vital to American strategic interests. That's just the reality, and the truth.

Sans Strategic Ambiguity, my Friend.


Regards,

Hmm... Japan would most likely support Taiwan in case of the attack and Tokyo would grant him, as a CPC sympathiser, asylum? I'm also hoping that I'd be fine too if that hypothetical invasion happened whilst I were to reside in Germany or any other Western country because the governments of the West would, similar to Tokyo, back Taibei.

He is a citizen of Taiwan, and Japan Bureau of Immigration actually has a very gracious "liberal" policy regarding Taiwanese. In Fact, Taiwanese are one of the few nationals who don't really require a visa to enter Japan; and Taiwanese have a fast tracked policy to apply for Japanese Nationality, provided they live in Japan for 5 years of course (or at least prove that they have been staying in Japan for 5 consecutive years, speak Japanese, have enough capital, et al). I know many Taiwanese who have become Japanese Citizens, and served in the JSDF. I also know of many Japanese who moved to Taiwan and became Taiwanese Citizens.

Taiwan is Japan's most favored country , actually. Above all nations. I think the cultural similarities, warm relations , and deep , deep historical fondness for Taiwan --- is alive and all too real in Japan.

That, no one can deny. Even the Japanese Right Wingers (Uyoku Dantai) have very, very positive feelings for Taiwan and Taiwanese people.

 

[Keel]

Youth will not fight for Taiwan: poll - Taipei Times

Youth will not fight for Taiwan: poll

TELLING NUMBERS:While most young people believe Taiwan is independent, 60% said they should have the right to refuse conscription if a declaration of independence led to war
By Shih Hsiu-chuan / Staff reporter
Sun, May 13, 2012

A survey released yesterday showed that 45.8 percent of young people born after 1984 agreed that Taiwan is an independent nation separate from China, while almost 60 percent of the respondents said that people have the right to refuse military conscription in the event of war against China.

The 21st Century Foundation, a local think tank, released the survey to explore the “sense of efficacy” of the generation toward cross-strait peace, attempting to find what they think are the ways to achieve peace and whether it is possible to reconcile cross-strait peace with preservation national sovereignty.

“A conclusion we drew from the survey was that people in Taiwan know well that Taiwan’s pursuit of de jure independence will lead to Chinese use of force against Taiwan,” said Chang Yu-tzung (張佑宗), an associate professor of politics at the National Taiwan University and leader of the research team.

The survey reflected the “pragmatic attitudes” of young people in Taiwan toward cross-strait issues, he added.

“They do not want to sacrifice their lives for sovereignty,” Chang said of the findings.

Chang called the research a “pioneering study” because it combined qualitative and quantitative methods of conducting focus group interviews with senior high school and college students. A total of 719 copies of questionnaires were completed either online or through face-to-face interviews, and the respondents had connections to the research team rather than being randomly selected.

On a question regarding the identity of the nation, 45.8 percent of the respondents agreed that “Taiwan and China are two different states,” 19.9 percent favored the characterization advocated by the Democratic Progressive Party that “the Republic of China (ROC) is Taiwan,” 24.4 percent chose the option that “the ROC is on Taiwan” as the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) insists, 7.9 percent said Taiwan and China both belong to the ROC, and 2 percent said that “Taiwan is part of China.”

The survey found that 57 percent of the respondents agreed that people have the right to refuse to be conscripted into the military if a war breaks out because of Taiwan’s declaration of independence, while 43 percent disagreed.

Asked whether they think people in Taiwan have to fight against China until the end, even if the government has stopped resisting when China forces Taiwan into unification, 48.3 percent of the respondents disagreed, and 51.7 percent agreed.

An analysis of these two questions showed that 31.6 percent of the respondents do not want to be mobilized for military duty and would rather surrender in case of military conflict between Taiwan and China, Chang said.

The survey showed that more than 80 percent of the respondents did not think that China would renounce the use of force against Taiwan even if a majority of people in Taiwan made it clear that they support Taiwanese independence or that they oppose unification with China.

On another question, 58.5 percent of the respondents said they thought China would not resort to military action against Taiwan if a majority of people in Taiwan said that they support unification, while 41.5 percent disagreed.

The survey found that 74.2 percent of the respondents agreed that Taiwan has to continue to procure weapons even though the move will cause tensions in cross-strait relations, and 25.8 percent disagreed.

Asked whether they support the government increasing tax rates to drive military procurements to enhance the country’s defenses, 44.2 percent of the respondents agreed, while 55.8 percent disagreed.

The result showed that for young people, “life is more valuable than defending the country” and that they would rather have their money spent in pursuit of their personal values than on defense, Chang said

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

If the United States intervenes, the Japan MUST intervene. It is a specific clause within the new articulation of Collective Self Defense. Afterall, the United States Navy and the Japanese Navy can address any naval threat in the world. Of that I am very , very confident and sure.

Just watch; after Tsai wins in 2016, I believe that a Japan-Taiwan Special Relations Act will be signed. After that, who knows, perhaps a Taiwan-Japan-United States Security Apparatus. IN Fact, we just held a recent Taiwan-Japan-United States Trilateral Security Dialogue this past December 2014.

Please refer, Please review,
Thanks,

Taiwan-US-Japan Trilateral Security Dialogue conference papers

As you know about the underworld culture in Japan, do a black boss care about risk his life to process the affairs of his myrmidon?

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

Ahahahah.....nice 1.



Yes, good to consider contigencies, but Japan wont intervene, for that im sure. Too little to gain,too much to lose. Maybe some economic sanctions and diplomatic protests at best.
The U.Sis another matter, since it has muchmore presence/influence in the region asa hegemon, so it will be a bigger threat to its stranglehold in the region. So to limit china from breaking off the first island chain , it MIGHT intervene.

Agree with you partly. you will get a new understanding why Japan simultaneously waged war to the two super powers USSR and US in WWII.

 

[Aepsilons]

As you know about the underworld culture in Japan, do a black boss care about the affairs of his myrmidon?

What an odd question.

I'm not talking as a 'black boss' , i'm talking as an "average" Japanese Citizen. Thanks, buddy.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

I can understand from Ma's perspective. His KMT is losing popularity and as a typical politician he will need to say things in order to prop up his popularity.

You get it, for any "political industry practitioners" in Taiwan (or Japan), their enemies are always inside Taiwan. So whatever they said is meaningless for any others except their own Taiwanese followers. And they also dont care about others' attitudes.

What an odd question.

I'm not talking as a 'black boss' , i'm talking as an "average" Japanese Citizen. Thanks, buddy.

I just did an analogy, US can be seen black boss, Taiwan is his myrmidon.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Reunification is unlikely.

The divide between China and Taiwan is very deep and deepening.

EU has Germany a well managed and economy with corrupt and incompetent countries like Greece, Italy and Spain. Then Taiwan could also be like SAR Hong Kong with their own autonomy. In the Internet age the new generation of Chinese and Taiwanese have similar tastes and much more in common.

 

[Aepsilons]

I just did an analogy, US can be seen black boss, Taiwan is his myrmidon.

Truth be told, i had to actually google "Myrmidon", lol. You use very unique terms, my friend.

But to address your point; well , I wouldn't refer to Taiwan as Myrmidon since that term equates to a 'Ruffian'.

I'd just say that Taiwan is strategically aligned with the United States, that is for sure.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

Truth be told, i had to actually google "Myrmidon", lol. You use very unique terms, my friend.

But to address your point; well , I wouldn't refer to Taiwan as Myrmidon since that term equates to a 'Ruffian'.

I'd just say that Taiwan is strategically aligned with the United States, that is for sure.

Never to that height.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Remember the Taiwan Special Relations Act with the United States. The United State is linked to the defense of Taiwan. The United States will have more to lose if Taiwan falls to the hands of Beijing; it would lose hegemony of the Western Pacific, and China will have the ability to counter and infringe United States pacific interests in Palau, Guam, the Northern Marianas. This is a strategic 'No No'. Keeping China contained in her territorial waters by promoting an independent Taiwan , and to disrupt any Taiwan-China Reunification Processes is actually vital to American strategic interests. That's just the reality, and the truth.

Sans Strategic Ambiguity, my Friend.


Regards,



He is a citizen of Taiwan, and Japan Bureau of Immigration actually has a very gracious "liberal" policy regarding Taiwanese. In Fact, Taiwanese are one of the few nationals who don't really require a visa to enter Japan; and Taiwanese have a fast tracked policy to apply for Japanese Nationality, provided they live in Japan for 5 years of course (or at least prove that they have been staying in Japan for 5 consecutive years, speak Japanese, have enough capital, et al). I know many Taiwanese who have become Japanese Citizens, and served in the JSDF. I also know of many Japanese who moved to Taiwan and became Taiwanese Citizens.

Taiwan is Japan's most favored country , actually. Above all nations. I think the cultural similarities, warm relations , and deep , deep historical fondness for Taiwan --- is alive and all too real in Japan.

That, no one can deny. Even the Japanese Right Wingers (Uyoku Dantai) have very, very positive feelings for Taiwan and Taiwanese people.

Did you read my post correctly bro?. I said the same thing you are saying. Lol yes th U.S has farrrrr more to lose if China ever invades/controls Taiwan, since it will mean the chinese will have much more space/capabilities from where to project power in east china sea and pacific, breaking off the first and maybe potentialky even second island chain. In fact it will be a hugeeeee boost to their maritime dominance in the region from where their submarines can operate far off to the pacific.
The U.S knows this,So the U.S will probably intervene(there is a high chance it will) , but Japan wouldnt for many reasons i cant begin to list on here .

 

[Aepsilons]

Never to that height.

What? I don't understand you.

Did you read my post correctly bro?. I said the same thing you are saying. Lol yes th U.S has farrrrr nore to lose if China ever invades/control Taiwan, since it will mean the chinese will have much more space/capabilities from where to project power in east china swa and pacific. In fact it will be a hugeeeee boast to their maritime dominance in the region from where their submarines can operate far off to the pacific. So the U.S will probably intervene(there is a high chance it will) but Japan wouldnt for many reasons i cant begin to list on here .

Perhaps i read it incorrectly, @mike2000 is back , i'm sorry....

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

What? I don't understand you.

You can understand Chinese, so I show a cartoon to you to explain that as i did once.
The blue boy symbolize the KMT, the green boy symbolize the DPP, the white boy symbolize common Taiwanese.

While his statement is meaningless, it is the gesture that counts. After all, according to it's constitution, mainland is part of ROC, thus as the president he has to make some statement on the subject from time to time.

Nope, he never lift himself to that height, he just make this statement to Taiwanese. How the outside world think is not important for him, the weight of what he said is also negligible for outsiders.

 

[Aepsilons]