Taiwan's President Ma: China progress 'disappointing'

[jhungary]

you sure about that? you said that Russians forces never engaged Japanese forces prior to declaration of war in 1945. absolutely sure?

dude, during WW2 after the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact on 13 April 1941. Not Russo-Japanese war.

 

[AndrewJin]

你这小日本真阴险，整天惦记着中国的台湾，好虚伪，笑里藏刀
台湾是中国的一个省，你认为你们小日本背后耍阴招 能改变吗

i think u can know what i said

我越来越觉得你们日本人阴险，表面一套背后一套，笑里藏刀Hypocritical, disgusting, nasty-nice

He has revealed his true face, actually i know from the beginning.
We should translate this thread, and spread it in different websites.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

He has revealed his true face, actually i know from the beginning.
We should translate this thread, and spread it in different websites.

这家伙典型的日本人类型性格,当面是人,背后是鬼.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

dude, during WW2 after the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact on 13 April 1941. Not Russo-Japanese war.

that wasn't Soviet union but czar Russia, so that wasn't part of my question. let me ask again: you sure that USSR never engaged Japan during the period of time where Japan was expanding in the Pacific, 1930-1945?

 

[jhungary]

that wasn't Soviet union but czar Russia, so that wasn't part of my question. let me ask again: you sure that USSR never engaged Japan during the period of time where Japan was expanding in the Pacific, 1930-1945?

Dude, where's your head at? MY post have already specified there are No War between Japan and Soviet Russia DURING WW2. Where that 1930 came from?

first of all, Japan officially started their expanding in the Pacific until July 1937, BUT THAT IS NOT PART OF WW2 which does not suit my scope.

And to answer your question. NO. Soviet Russia did not have A SINGLE Battle with Japan during WW2 after the singing of Soviet-Japan Neutral Pact in 1941. Before that, the last engagement is battle of Khalkhin Gol in 1939. But NO ENGAGEMENT after September 16 1939 until August 9 1945.

[edit]My post you quote does not specify I was talking about WW2, but that post refer to another post I quote where I answer the poster there were no war between Japan and Soviet Russia during WW2, you need to check my post again.

Unless you want to claim WW2 started in 1930, then I got nothing to say to you

 

[Zsari]

Who told you the U.S.S.R fought Japan bro? Lool. Dont listen to Russian propaganda. They only declared war on Japan when they were sure Japan had already been defeated by the U.S and weakened after almost 10years of war of attrition against KMT china with no end in sight. lool. Russia fought japan for couple weeks when japan forces were already surrendering/retreating in China and all over Asia after suffering subsequent defeat by the U.S and allies. Russia played little to no role in japans defeat.lol.

Through out WWII and before it,Russia was neutral towads Japan. Maybe they were worried of a repeat of the first russo japanese war where their naval fleet was humiliated and completely wiped out by an inferior/smaller japanese navy, who knows.

Not quiet unless you forgot the Battle of Khalkhin Gol in 1939, where Japanese invasion was crushed by Zhukov. And no, Japan was far from surrendering when Russia entered the war. The entire purpose of the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan was to force a quick surrender before the Russians could start an invasion of Japan.

 

[Jlaw]

For Ma the any discusses about the Mainland are redundant and useless, the most important thing he should care about is whether he would be sent to jail by his Taiwan mates.

What did he do?

 

[Aepsilons]

I have no problem if they want independence and the same for the Basque region. In my opinion, people have the right to decide their destiny.

My friend, don't entertain the talk about Catalonia, the issue we are talking here is about Taiwan. Some of the Chinese members are just trying to change the subject now to redirect the issue onto another unrelated subject.

Let us discuss the subject about Taiwan only. I don't understand why some folks here cannot stick to the subject. Or probably it was done for an ulterior motive, of course.

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Ma displeased by PLA's simulated attack on Taiwan



Taiwan's president, Ma Ying-jeou, has said in an interview with the BBC that he was displeased by a simulated attack on Taiwan's Presidential Office in a Chinese military drill.

Ma called the move a reminder that despite rapprochement between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait, the military threat from the People's Liberation Army remains solid and Taiwan should prepare to take defensive measures against such threats.

Asked whether China's growing economic and military strength poses an increasing threat to Taiwan, Ma said in the interview published Monday that the military balance across the Taiwan Strait has been tilting in favor of China since 2005 because it is difficult for Taiwan to compete with China's military buildup given that in recent years China's military spending has been on a double-digit or nearly 20% annual growth.

Under such circumstances, the best strategy is for the two sides to reduce the risk of military conflict across the strait through achieving political reconciliation and improving relations, Ma said. "So our defense principle is as follows: We want to create a scenario in which neither side will change the status quo through unilateral or non-peaceful means for fear of the price it would have to pay," the president said.

Rather than relying on the United States to come to Taiwan's defense in a military confrontation with China, the key for Taiwan to maintain peace across the strait is to reduce the risk of such confrontation through improving ties with China, Ma stated.

Ma also said he has been constantly reminding the Chinese authorities over the past few years that in order to narrow the psychological distance between people in Taiwan and China the two sides should first reach consensus on the core values of freedom, democracy, human rights and rule of law. However, the prospects for China's development in these areas are still uncertain, Ma added.

"But now we also see that the Chinese authorities have arrested some human rights advocates, including some lawyers. So that's why people will worry that the human rights situation in China is deteriorating."

"The situation in mainland China is sometimes better, and sometimes worse. It's not very stable," Ma added.

"Mainland China is only 100 nautical miles from the Republic of China. Therefore it's a big risk and a big opportunity for us. Any leader here has to learn how to minimize the risks and maximize the opportunity. That's what I've been doing for the past seven years," Ma said in the interview.

Ma also said he was disappointed that despite improvements in relations between Taiwan and China on several fronts during his two terms as president, there has been no meeting between himself and President Xi Jinping of China.

"A meeting of leaders should be a natural development. In the past two years we were hoping to use last November's APEC summit as an opportunity. However, it was not successful, which was of course a very great pity."

Asked to comment on Xi's statement that the issue of Taiwan "cannot be postponed indefinitely," Ma responded that after a rift of more than 60 years, the two sides must show patience and caution in pushing forward with cross-strait relations.


Ma displeased by PLA's simulated attack on Taiwan｜WCT

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Dude, where's your head at? MY post have already specified there are No War between Japan and Soviet Russia DURING WW2. Where that 1930 came from?

first of all, Japan officially started their expanding in the Pacific until July 1937, BUT THAT IS NOT PART OF WW2 which does not suit my scope.

And to answer your question. NO. Soviet Russia did not have A SINGLE Battle with Japan during WW2 after the singing of Soviet-Japan Neutral Pact in 1941. Before that, the last engagement is battle of Khalkhin Gol in 1939. But NO ENGAGEMENT after September 16 1939 until August 9 1945.

[edit]My post you quote does not specify I was talking about WW2, but that post refer to another post I quote where I answer the poster there were no war between Japan and Soviet Russia during WW2, you need to check my post again.

Unless you want to claim WW2 started in 1930, then I got nothing to say to you

ww2 did not start at the same time for all states. and it is expected that after signing a neutrality pact there ate no more hostilities lol.

 

[Jlaw]

Youth will not fight for Taiwan: poll - Taipei Times

Youth will not fight for Taiwan: poll

TELLING NUMBERS:While most young people believe Taiwan is independent, 60% said they should have the right to refuse conscription if a declaration of independence led to war
By Shih Hsiu-chuan / Staff reporter
Sun, May 13, 2012

A survey released yesterday showed that 45.8 percent of young people born after 1984 agreed that Taiwan is an independent nation separate from China, while almost 60 percent of the respondents said that people have the right to refuse military conscription in the event of war against China.

The 21st Century Foundation, a local think tank, released the survey to explore the “sense of efficacy” of the generation toward cross-strait peace, attempting to find what they think are the ways to achieve peace and whether it is possible to reconcile cross-strait peace with preservation national sovereignty.

“A conclusion we drew from the survey was that people in Taiwan know well that Taiwan’s pursuit of de jure independence will lead to Chinese use of force against Taiwan,” said Chang Yu-tzung (張佑宗), an associate professor of politics at the National Taiwan University and leader of the research team.

The survey reflected the “pragmatic attitudes” of young people in Taiwan toward cross-strait issues, he added.

“They do not want to sacrifice their lives for sovereignty,” Chang said of the findings.

Chang called the research a “pioneering study” because it combined qualitative and quantitative methods of conducting focus group interviews with senior high school and college students. A total of 719 copies of questionnaires were completed either online or through face-to-face interviews, and the respondents had connections to the research team rather than being randomly selected.

On a question regarding the identity of the nation, 45.8 percent of the respondents agreed that “Taiwan and China are two different states,” 19.9 percent favored the characterization advocated by the Democratic Progressive Party that “the Republic of China (ROC) is Taiwan,” 24.4 percent chose the option that “the ROC is on Taiwan” as the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) insists, 7.9 percent said Taiwan and China both belong to the ROC, and 2 percent said that “Taiwan is part of China.”

The survey found that 57 percent of the respondents agreed that people have the right to refuse to be conscripted into the military if a war breaks out because of Taiwan’s declaration of independence, while 43 percent disagreed.

Asked whether they think people in Taiwan have to fight against China until the end, even if the government has stopped resisting when China forces Taiwan into unification, 48.3 percent of the respondents disagreed, and 51.7 percent agreed.

An analysis of these two questions showed that 31.6 percent of the respondents do not want to be mobilized for military duty and would rather surrender in case of military conflict between Taiwan and China, Chang said.

The survey showed that more than 80 percent of the respondents did not think that China would renounce the use of force against Taiwan even if a majority of people in Taiwan made it clear that they support Taiwanese independence or that they oppose unification with China.

On another question, 58.5 percent of the respondents said they thought China would not resort to military action against Taiwan if a majority of people in Taiwan said that they support unification, while 41.5 percent disagreed.

The survey found that 74.2 percent of the respondents agreed that Taiwan has to continue to procure weapons even though the move will cause tensions in cross-strait relations, and 25.8 percent disagreed.

Asked whether they support the government increasing tax rates to drive military procurements to enhance the country’s defenses, 44.2 percent of the respondents agreed, while 55.8 percent disagreed.

The result showed that for young people, “life is more valuable than defending the country” and that they would rather have their money spent in pursuit of their personal values than on defense, Chang said

I cannot say I blame them. Why would you want to die for a lost cause. If China does invade Taiwan, sooner or later the island will fall. It's best to be alive and enjoy the future prosperity than dying for the coward KMT or DPP.

 

[Aepsilons]

How long will you wait, tho. Taiwan has not bee part of the 'Mainland' since 1894. That's about 121 years of a separate identity. Another 20 , 40 years? perhaps another 80 years? That will be almost 2 centuries of a separate identity.

I think we all have to be pragmatic, and realistic.

Anyways, on to more positive news,

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Better Get Used to it, China: Taiwan and Japan Will Get Closer





Despite applying considerable pressure on Tokyo in recent weeks, Beijing was unable to prevent the Japanese government from rolling out the red carpet for former Taiwanese President Lee Teng-hui last week. During a visit to Japan, Lee addressed a packed Diet and had a meeting with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. Besides showcasing the longstanding warm relationship between Japan and Taiwan, the Abe government’s decision to stand up to Chinese pressure presages a likely deepening of ties between Tokyo and Taipei, the result of both growing fears of China’s assertiveness as well as political change in Taiwan.

In a strong protest on July 24 after Lee, 92, was allowed in Japan, a spokesman at China’s Foreign Ministry expressed Beijing’s “grave concern” over the visit by the former leader, whom he described as “a stubborn Taiwan splittist.”

On the same day, Ma Xiaoguang, a spokesman for the State Council’s Taiwan Affairs Office, said Beijing “strongly opposes any country providing a stage for ‘Taiwan independence’ activities, and take strong umbrage at Japan allowing Lee to visit.”

Ma continued: “Lee’s contemptible acts have made compatriots from both sides see more clearly the extreme harms ‘Taiwan independence’ forces do to the peaceful development of cross-Strait relations and the integral benefit of the Chinese nation, and will surely be scorned by compatriots from both sides.”

Undeterred, Tokyo invited Lee, who presided over Taiwan’s democratization in the late 1980s and was the country’s first freely elected president in 1996, to give his first address ever at the Diet, Japan’s parliament, which was attended by about 400 members.

Tokyo further exhibited its independence from China’s pressure when Abe held a 90-minute meeting with Lee over breakfast. Although Lee declined to comment on the meeting, independent sources have confirmed that the two leaders did meet.

Known for his firm stance on China, Abe has made no secret of his affinity for Taiwan, which he visited in 2010. During that trip, he held meetings with Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou as well as paying an unscheduled courtesy call to members of the opposition Democratic Progressive Party (DPP). Despite referring to Japan as the Republic of China’s (Taiwan) “best friend,” Ma has been known for his at best lukewarm regard for Japan, which governed Taiwan from 1895 until 1945.

Tensions between Japan and China have risen markedly since Abe’s visit, in large part due to the territorial dispute over the Diaoyutai islets in the East China Sea, known as the Senkakus in Japan. China’s unilateral declaration of an Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea as well as militarization of the South China Sea, which has threatened to destabilize the region, forced Tokyo to join other governments in reassessing its stance on China. Hedging, rather than accommodation, became the main policy, with renewed interest in welcoming the U.S. back to the region as a “security guarantor.”

Taiwan is also a claimant to the Senkaku/Diaoyutais. Remarks by Lee in Tokyo last week, to the effect that the islets belong to Japan, prompted an angry response from Beijing and accusations of “treason” by Ma’s Kuomintang (KMT), which has threatened to take the former president to court and to suspend his pension entitlements as a former head of state.

Meanwhile, the rapprochement that has occurred between Taiwan and China since Ma assumed office in 2008 has also stirred some apprehensions in Tokyo. Although Japan, like much of the rest of the world, has welcomed the reduced tensions in the Taiwan Strait, fears have risen in recent years that the détente risked going too far, especially after a more ideological Xi Jinping assumed the No. 1 position in 2012. Though amenable to closer ties between Taiwan and China, Tokyo does not like the idea of an overly pro-Beijing government in Taipei, let alone one that would promote unification with China. Despite Tokyo’s “one China” policy and its stated neutrality on the Taiwan “issue,” there is no doubt that a Taiwan that exists independently of Beijing’s rule is very much in its strategic interest.

As a result, Japanese officials have quietly expressed Tokyo’s hopes that the DPP will return to power in 2016, especially as the KMT’s presidential candidate, Hung Hsiu-chu, has come across as a threat to Taiwan’s “status quo”—at least according to her critics, which includes a number of members of her party.

Although Tokyo is unlikely to take actions that will cause serious harm to its important relationship with China, there is nevertheless a high likelihood that Japan will increase its cooperation with Taiwan and provide the necessary moral support to the DPP. Although military-to-military relations between Taiwan and Japan have been good, albeit quietly so, in recent years, they would conceivably expand under a DPP administration that, much like a large segment of the Taiwanese public, has never hidden its deep affinity toward Japan.

The geopolitical context, which has turned against China as a result of its assertiveness abroad and deepening authoritarianism domestically, as well as the alignment of domestic politics in Taipei and Tokyo, could therefore create an environment that is more favorable for Taiwan than it has been in several years. Taipei might find it has more room to maneuver internationally. Consequently, more visits to Japan by Lee or senior DPP officials, or perhaps by Japanese officials to Taiwan, are likely, with pressure and complaints by Beijing having little, if any, effect. Although this is a prospect that would very much anger Beijing, it is one that undoubtedly would be warmly welcomed by the people of Taiwan.

The author is an employee of the Thinking Taiwan Foundation, a think tank launched by Tsai Ing-wen in 2012. The views expressed in this article are the author’s alone and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the institutions with which he is affiliated.

Better Get Used to it, China: Taiwan and Japan Will Get Closer | The Diplomat

 

[mike2000 is back]

Not quiet unless you forgot the Battle of Khalkhin Gol in 1939, where Japanese invasion was crushed by Zhukov. And no, Japan was far from surrendering when Russia entered the war. The entire purpose of the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan was to force a quick surrender before the Russians could start an invasion of Japan.

Lool The U.S dropped the atomic bombs to force a quick surrender before Russia could invade Japan? where would Russia have started to invade Japan without the U.S? Lol Good luck with that.

Japan had a farrrrrr more powerful navy than Russia by a wide margin. So with what do you think Russia will use to invade mainland Japan? Speed boats? They wouldnt even have come close without a massive powerful U.S navy weakening Japan. Lol Even with all the mighty U.S Naval might , japan inflicted heavy casualties to the U.S, just for the U.S to take few japanese occupied islands in the pacificc and East Asia. So much so that the U.S rightly figured out that if it where to attempt an invasion of Japan mainland , the cost will be catastrophic even for the U.S both in terms of human lufe and equipment. So the U.S decided to dropped the bomb. Russia couldnt even come close to that, it had no navy that could take on IJN and survive.

 

[Aepsilons]

Japan had a farrrrrr more powerful navy than Russia by a wide margin. So with ehat do you think Russia could invade mainland Japan?

Imperial Japanese Navy in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Zsari]

Lool The U.S dropped the atomic bombs to force a quick surrender before Russia could invade Japan? where would Russia have started to invade Japan without the U.S? Lol good luck with that.

By 1945 when Russia declared war on Japan, Japanese navy pretty much all sits at the bottom of the sea.

 

[Aepsilons]

Lool The U.S dropped the atomic bombs to force a quick surrender before Russia could invade Japan? where would Russia have started to invade Japan without the U.S? Lol Good luck with that.

Japan had a farrrrrr more powerful navy than Russia by a wide margin. So with what do you think Russia will use to invade mainland Japan? Speed boats? They wouldnt even have come close without a massive powerful U.S navy weakening Japan. Lol Even with all the mighty U.S Naval might , japan inflicted heavy casualties to the U.S, just for the U.S to take few japanese occupied islands in the pacificc and East Asia. So much so that the U.S rightly figured out that if it where to attempt an invasion of Japan mainland , the cost will be catastrophic even for the U.S both in terms of human lufe and equipment. So the U.S decided to dropped the bomb. Russia couldnt even come close to that, it had no navy that could take on IJN and survive.

Mike, let's backtrack a bit. Back to the subject matter. Let's focus on what certain policies that the PRC is doing to instigate apprehension and aversion in Taipei. Thanks. I just wanted to ask you to not get too peripheral in discussion with some folks here. You know quite a lot of the regional history, and i really appreciate that. Hope to learn more from you, buddy.

What i admire about you is that you really capture the notion of 'Freedom of Speech' here in this forum. And you don't go into personal attacks , which is even more respectable.