Taiwan voters have final opinion on China ties, say experts

[Hypersonicmissiles]

Taiwan will come under our influence. It's already happening.

 

[Kolaps]

It's Taiwanese people decision decided the reunification with the mainland.

I already kind enough to give you the way to win Taiwanese people's heart multiple times.

Just simple doing good to your own people, give them the best the world can offer. Highest living standard, Most democratic people centric government, Most civilized, Highly educated, Hugely respect Chinese civilization, etc.

You doing good to yourself, you will get Taiwan too.

Don't say I'm the traitor here.

 

[visom]

Why is it such a big deal that angers many Chinese that Taiwan wants to be independent?

 

[chhota bheem]

Its funny why someone will have a vote to giveup the right to vote.

 

[Brainsucker]

Well, if CPC welcome Kuo Mintang back, maybe they will join. As far as I know, the history was about the war between Kuomintang versus CPC, with CPC as the winner. Kuomintang ran to Taiwan until now. But Kuomintang's original plan was to return to the mainland.

So if CPC can symbolize the return of Kuomintang back to mainland, then both side will be in win-win situation. Kuomintang will got their dream realized (they won because they could return to mainland again), while CPC also won because they can unite China again as Taiwan join back to mainland. Both party can form a coalition government until China ready to step on their first democracy party (with restricted only for CPC and Kuomintang no other political party allowed).But until then coalition government will stay on top just like what PRC doing until now.

But well, I guess PRC won't agree with this term.

 

[BoQ77]

If USA still provide Taiwan with their cutting edge technology weapons, that means there'll be no more progress for 1 country 2 policies ...

Taiwan and Japan would be more ready for 1 country 2 policies than Taiwan and China ...
Actually, China abandoned Taiwan, and gave Taiwan to Japan legally.

 

[tranquilium]

If Mainland China and ROC Taiwan reunite....

1. What will be the new name for China ?

2. Whose Flag will be use ? Or will there be a new flag ?

3. Whose national anthem will be sung ?

Interesting eh ?

Not really, Taiwan is not on the same level as mainland China at all. It is the size and population of a single province. So there won't be any change to the name of the country or the flag, etc.

 

[xunzi]

Why is it such a big deal that angers many Chinese that Taiwan wants to be independent?

Why are you asking such dumb question? Would the US allows Hawaii or any US's state gain independent? Why do you think there is a civil war in the US?

 

[BoQ77]

The Treaty of Shimonoseki (下関条約 Shimonoseki Jōyaku?); simplified Chinese: 《马关条约》; traditional Chinese: 《馬關條約》; pinyin: Mǎguān Tiáoyuē; Wade–Giles: Ma3-kuan1 T'iao2-yüeh1, was signed at the Shunpanrō hall on April 17, 1895, between the Empire of Japan and the Qing Empire, ending the First Sino-Japanese War. The peace conference took place from March 20 to April 17, 1895. This treaty followed and superseded the Sino-Japanese Friendship and Trade Treaty of 1871.

Treaty terms

Article 1: China recognizes definitively the full and complete independence and autonomy of Korea, and, in consequence, the payment of tribute and the performance of ceremonies and formalities by Korea to China, that are in derogation of such independence and autonomy, shall wholly cease for the future.

• Articles 2 & 3: China cedes to Japan in perpetuity and full sovereignty of the Penghu group, Taiwan and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula together with all fortifications, arsenals and public property.
• Article 4: China agrees to pay to Japan as a war indemnity the sum of 200,000,000 Kuping taels
• Article 5: China opens Shashih, Chungking, Soochow and Hangchow to Japan. Moreover, China is to grant Japan most-favored-nation treatment.

The treaty ended the First Sino-Japanese War of 1894–1895 as a clear victory for Japan. In this treaty, China recognized the independence of Korea and renounced any claims to that country. It also ceded the Liaodong Peninsula (then known to the Western press as Liaotung, now southern part of modern Liaoning province), and the islands of Taiwan (Formosa) and Penghu (also known as the Pescadores) to Japan. China also paid Japan a war indemnity of 200 million Kuping taels, payable over seven years, and the signing of a commercial treaty similar to ones previously signed by China with various western powers in the aftermath of the First and Second Opium Wars. This commercial treaty confirmed the opening of various ports and rivers to Japanese trade. As a result of the Treaty of Shimonoseki (1895), China recognized the "full and complete independence and autonomy" of Joseon. In the next year Yeongeunmun was demolished leaving its two stone pillars.

Value of the indemnity
In the treaty, China had to pay an indemnity of 200 million silver kuping taels to Japan.
One kuping (treasury) tael is about 37.3 grams in weight. The 200 million kuping taels is about 7.45 million kg of silver.

Later Japan was forced to re-cede the Liaodong peninsula, after the Triple intervention of Russia, Germany and France, and asked for more money — an additional 30 million kuping (1.12 million kg) of silver — from China, the total amount thus being over 8,500 tons of silver. Russia later took control of the peninsula and the geopolitically strategic Port Arthur.

The Treaty of Shimonoseki and Taiwan
During the summit between Japanese and Qing representatives in March and April 1895, Prime Minister Hirobumi Ito and Foreign Minister Munemitsu Mutsu were serious about reducing the power of Qing Dynasty on not only Korean Peninsula but also Taiwan islands. Moreover, Mutsu had already noticed its importance in order to expand Japanese military power towards South China and Southeast Asia. It was also time of imperialism so that Japan wished to follow what the West was doing. Imperial Japan was seeking for enough colonies and resources in Korean Peninsula and Mainland China to compete with Western powers at that time, and this was the only way to prove how fast Imperial Japan since Meiji Restoration in 1867 had run after the West and how serious it was about amending unequal treaties among Western powers.

At the peace conference between Imperial Japan and Qing Dynasty, Li Hongzhang and Li Jingfang, the ambassadors at the negotiation desk of Qing Dynasty, originally did not plan to split Taiwan away from the Mainland because they also realised Taiwan’s great location for trading with the West. Therefore, even though Qing Dynasty had lost wars against Britain and France in the 19th century, Emperor of Qing was serious to keep Taiwan under its control. On 20 March 1895, at Sunpanro (春帆楼) in Shimonoseki in Japan, 1-month-long peace conference had started.

At the first half of the conference, Ito and Li talked mainly about a cease-fire agreement, and during the second half of the conference, the contents of the peace treaty were discussed. Ito and Mutsu claimed that yielding the full sovereignty of Taiwan was an absolute condition and requested Li to hand over full sovereignty of Penghu Islands and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula. Li Hongzhang refused on the grounds that Taiwan had never been a battlefield during the first Sino-Japanese War between 1894 and 1895. By the final stage of the conference, while Li Hongzhang agreed to the transfer of full sovereignty of the Penghu islands and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula to Imperial Japan, he still refused to hand over Taiwan. Li stated with regards to Taiwan that, ‘Taiwan is already a province, and therefore not to be given away (台湾已立一行省、不能送給他国).’

However, Imperial Japan was too strong for the Qing Dynasty to cope with, and eventually Li gave Taiwan up. On 17 April 1895, the peace treaty between Imperial Japan and the Qing Dynasty had been signed. This had a huge impact on Taiwan, the turning over of the island to Imperial Japan marking the end of 200 years of Qing control despite an attempt to avoid annexation by Qing loyalists.

 

[JSCh]

The Treaty of Shimonoseki (下関条約 Shimonoseki Jōyaku?); simplified Chinese: 《马关条约》; traditional Chinese: 《馬關條約》; pinyin: Mǎguān Tiáoyuē; Wade–Giles: Ma3-kuan1 T'iao2-yüeh1, was signed at the Shunpanrō hall on April 17, 1895, between the Empire of Japan and the Qing Empire, ending the First Sino-Japanese War. The peace conference took place from March 20 to April 17, 1895. This treaty followed and superseded the Sino-Japanese Friendship and Trade Treaty of 1871.

Treaty terms

Article 1: China recognizes definitively the full and complete independence and autonomy of Korea, and, in consequence, the payment of tribute and the performance of ceremonies and formalities by Korea to China, that are in derogation of such independence and autonomy, shall wholly cease for the future.

• Articles 2 & 3: China cedes to Japan in perpetuity and full sovereignty of the Penghu group, Taiwan and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula together with all fortifications, arsenals and public property.
• Article 4: China agrees to pay to Japan as a war indemnity the sum of 200,000,000 Kuping taels
• Article 5: China opens Shashih, Chungking, Soochow and Hangchow to Japan. Moreover, China is to grant Japan most-favored-nation treatment.

The treaty ended the First Sino-Japanese War of 1894–1895 as a clear victory for Japan. In this treaty, China recognized the independence of Korea and renounced any claims to that country. It also ceded the Liaodong Peninsula (then known to the Western press as Liaotung, now southern part of modern Liaoning province), and the islands of Taiwan (Formosa) and Penghu (also known as the Pescadores) to Japan. China also paid Japan a war indemnity of 200 million Kuping taels, payable over seven years, and the signing of a commercial treaty similar to ones previously signed by China with various western powers in the aftermath of the First and Second Opium Wars. This commercial treaty confirmed the opening of various ports and rivers to Japanese trade. As a result of the Treaty of Shimonoseki (1895), China recognized the "full and complete independence and autonomy" of Joseon. In the next year Yeongeunmun was demolished leaving its two stone pillars.

Value of the indemnity
In the treaty, China had to pay an indemnity of 200 million silver kuping taels to Japan.
One kuping (treasury) tael is about 37.3 grams in weight. The 200 million kuping taels is about 7.45 million kg of silver.

Later Japan was forced to re-cede the Liaodong peninsula, after the Triple intervention of Russia, Germany and France, and asked for more money — an additional 30 million kuping (1.12 million kg) of silver — from China, the total amount thus being over 8,500 tons of silver. Russia later took control of the peninsula and the geopolitically strategic Port Arthur.

The Treaty of Shimonoseki and Taiwan
During the summit between Japanese and Qing representatives in March and April 1895, Prime Minister Hirobumi Ito and Foreign Minister Munemitsu Mutsu were serious about reducing the power of Qing Dynasty on not only Korean Peninsula but also Taiwan islands. Moreover, Mutsu had already noticed its importance in order to expand Japanese military power towards South China and Southeast Asia. It was also time of imperialism so that Japan wished to follow what the West was doing. Imperial Japan was seeking for enough colonies and resources in Korean Peninsula and Mainland China to compete with Western powers at that time, and this was the only way to prove how fast Imperial Japan since Meiji Restoration in 1867 had run after the West and how serious it was about amending unequal treaties among Western powers.

At the peace conference between Imperial Japan and Qing Dynasty, Li Hongzhang and Li Jingfang, the ambassadors at the negotiation desk of Qing Dynasty, originally did not plan to split Taiwan away from the Mainland because they also realised Taiwan’s great location for trading with the West. Therefore, even though Qing Dynasty had lost wars against Britain and France in the 19th century, Emperor of Qing was serious to keep Taiwan under its control. On 20 March 1895, at Sunpanro (春帆楼) in Shimonoseki in Japan, 1-month-long peace conference had started.

At the first half of the conference, Ito and Li talked mainly about a cease-fire agreement, and during the second half of the conference, the contents of the peace treaty were discussed. Ito and Mutsu claimed that yielding the full sovereignty of Taiwan was an absolute condition and requested Li to hand over full sovereignty of Penghu Islands and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula. Li Hongzhang refused on the grounds that Taiwan had never been a battlefield during the first Sino-Japanese War between 1894 and 1895. By the final stage of the conference, while Li Hongzhang agreed to the transfer of full sovereignty of the Penghu islands and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula to Imperial Japan, he still refused to hand over Taiwan. Li stated with regards to Taiwan that, ‘Taiwan is already a province, and therefore not to be given away (台湾已立一行省、不能送給他国).’

However, Imperial Japan was too strong for the Qing Dynasty to cope with, and eventually Li gave Taiwan up. On 17 April 1895, the peace treaty between Imperial Japan and the Qing Dynasty had been signed. This had a huge impact on Taiwan, the turning over of the island to Imperial Japan marking the end of 200 years of Qing control despite an attempt to avoid annexation by Qing loyalists.

Japan lose the Second World War(Second Sino-Japanese war) and surrender. That's why Taiwan and Diaoyu island belong to China.

 

[chhota bheem]

Japan lose the Second World War(Second Sino-Japanese war) and surrender. That's why Taiwan and Diaoyu island belong to China.

Then will china use the same yardstick with other countries as well.

 

[cnleio]

If TaiWan of China(ROC) & Mainland of China(PRC) unify, maybe China politic will enter into 2x parties parliamentary system: CCP + KMT.

2nd co-operation of CCP and KMT. Other small parties will out, only reserve Two.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If TaiWan of China(ROC) & Mainland of China(PRC) unify, maybe China politic will enter into 2x parties parliamentary system: CCP + KMT.

2nd co-operation of CCP and KMT

No fcking way!!!

KMT will ruin China again, just destroy that damn party which has cursed China for decades.

The superpower status of PRC was built by CPC, and what does make you think that a shitty party like KMT deserves to lead China again?

 

[cnleio]

No fcking way!!!

KMT will ruin China again, just destroy that damn party which has cursed China for decades.

The superpower status of PRC was built by CPC, and what does make you think that a shitty party like KMT deserves to lead China again?

I didn't say KMT will lead the China, or ruin it. But for a party/group without restriction and competition from outside, it will be easily make mistake effect to Chinese future. These no one man is perfect, also no perfect party speciall without democratic supervision.

Did China CCP need democratic supervison, now still NO. Mr Deng provide the Economic Reform & Open Up to all Chinese 30 years ago, i think it's time to start a Political Deep Reform.

China need some CHANGE ! then we can go much more further ... do not follow 1990 USSR.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I didn't say KMT will lead the China, or ruin it. But for a party/group without restriction and competition from outside, it will be easily make mistake effect to Chinese future. These no one man is perfect, also no perfect party speciall without democratic supervision.

Did China CCP need democratic supervison, now still NO. Mr Deng provide the Economic Reform & Open Up to all Chinese 30 years ago, i think it's time to start a Political Deep Reform.

China need some CHANGE ! then we can go much more further ... do not follow 1990 USSR.

Well, the US two-party system is just an illusion of democracy, they are all backed by the same corporate elite groups.

Also, just look at Taiwan's "democracy", it is a complete mess.

China right now needs to be ruled by a single dominant party such as CPC, otherwise we can stop focusing about developments, let's spending all of our time for those stupid elections.

Taiwan now totally depends on China, without China's 100 billion surplus, they will live no better than Philippines.

China donates its blood to Taiwan to maintain its high per capita, it is not Taiwan has a superior political system.