Taiwan voters have final opinion on China ties, say experts

[Tractor]

China needs no more politicians and any annoying political reform,that's all.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China needs no more politicians and any annoying political reform,that's all.

That's right, China needs the true LEADERS, not those politicians and any other opportunists.

 

[UKBengali]

Well, the US two-party system is just an illusion of democracy, they are all backed by the same corporate elite groups.

Also, just look at Taiwan's "democracy", it is a complete mess.

China right now needs to be ruled by a single dominant party such as CPC, otherwise we can stop focusing about developments, let's spending all of our time for those stupid elections.

Taiwan now totally depends on China, without China's 100 billion surplus, they will live no better than Philippines.

China donates its blood to Taiwan to maintain its high per capita, it is not Taiwan has a superior political system.

Look at the example of BD.

We have an almost single ethnic group, so should be easy to run in theory, but spend more time arguing about politics than development and economic progress.

 

[cnleio]

Well, the US two-party system is just an illusion of democracy, they are all backed by the same corporate elite groups.

Also, just look at Taiwan's "democracy", it is a complete mess.

China right now needs to be ruled by a single dominant party such as CPC, otherwise we can stop focusing about developments, let's spending all of our time for those stupid elections.

Taiwan now totally depends on China, without China's 100 billion surplus, they will live no better than Philippines.

China donates its blood to Taiwan to maintain its high per capita, it is not Taiwan has a superior political system.

I agree with ur words. Still welcome 2nd co-operation of CCP and KMT.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I agree with ur words. Still welcome 2nd co-operation of CCP and KMT.

KMT as assistant party is fine, but CPC should still be the main leading party.

Even a senior KMT member in Taiwan is 100% against the western democracy, because it is the poison that will ruin China's development. And this guy is a well known CPC hater but a Chinese patriot, yet he can still see the deception of the western "democracy".

台湾YST：迷失的“中华民国”_汉家羽林郎_新浪博客

 

[Lux de Veritas]

I bet none of the PRC in PDF can understand what this guy from Taiwan is speaking. I am a Singaporean and I understand 100%.

 

[Tractor]

I bet none of the PRC in PDF can understand what this guy from Taiwan is speaking. I am a Singaporean and I understand 100%.

I even could not see what he looks like.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I bet none of the PRC in PDF can understand what this guy from Taiwan is speaking. I am a Singaporean and I understand 100%.

Who really wants to listen the barking sound of this Jap dog?

 

[Genesis]

Why is it such a big deal that angers many Chinese that Taiwan wants to be independent?

But Taiwan doesn't want to be independent....

Chang Kai Shek hated independence activists more than communists. Taiwan is the republic of China, with two provinces.

There's the recent meeting of the two governments, that could result in Ma-Xi meeting, White wolf went back to China to promote one country two systems. Mainland shows are very popular, including the most popular. Mainland brands are taking hold in Taiwan for quality and price, mainland position, internationally are attractive. Taobao is hugely popular and accounts for a vast number of sales and such. And much more.

Don't pretend like China is still the poor student desperately trying to hang on to a hot girlfriend. Today, we have are the multi billionaire that's tired of her shenanigans.

@BoQ77

The Treaty of Shimonoseki (下関条約 Shimonoseki Jōyaku?); simplified Chinese: 《马关条约》; traditional Chinese: 《馬關條約》; pinyin: Mǎguān Tiáoyuē; Wade–Giles: Ma3-kuan1 T'iao2-yüeh1, was signed at the Shunpanrō hall on April 17, 1895, between the Empire of Japan and the Qing Empire, ending the First Sino-Japanese War. The peace conference took place from March 20 to April 17, 1895. This treaty followed and superseded the Sino-Japanese Friendship and Trade Treaty of 1871.

Treaty terms

Article 1: China recognizes definitively the full and complete independence and autonomy of Korea, and, in consequence, the payment of tribute and the performance of ceremonies and formalities by Korea to China, that are in derogation of such independence and autonomy, shall wholly cease for the future.

• Articles 2 & 3: China cedes to Japan in perpetuity and full sovereignty of the Penghu group, Taiwan and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula together with all fortifications, arsenals and public property.
• Article 4: China agrees to pay to Japan as a war indemnity the sum of 200,000,000 Kuping taels
• Article 5: China opens Shashih, Chungking, Soochow and Hangchow to Japan. Moreover, China is to grant Japan most-favored-nation treatment.

The treaty ended the First Sino-Japanese War of 1894–1895 as a clear victory for Japan. In this treaty, China recognized the independence of Korea and renounced any claims to that country. It also ceded the Liaodong Peninsula (then known to the Western press as Liaotung, now southern part of modern Liaoning province), and the islands of Taiwan (Formosa) and Penghu (also known as the Pescadores) to Japan. China also paid Japan a war indemnity of 200 million Kuping taels, payable over seven years, and the signing of a commercial treaty similar to ones previously signed by China with various western powers in the aftermath of the First and Second Opium Wars. This commercial treaty confirmed the opening of various ports and rivers to Japanese trade. As a result of the Treaty of Shimonoseki (1895), China recognized the "full and complete independence and autonomy" of Joseon. In the next year Yeongeunmun was demolished leaving its two stone pillars.

Value of the indemnity
In the treaty, China had to pay an indemnity of 200 million silver kuping taels to Japan.
One kuping (treasury) tael is about 37.3 grams in weight. The 200 million kuping taels is about 7.45 million kg of silver.

Later Japan was forced to re-cede the Liaodong peninsula, after the Triple intervention of Russia, Germany and France, and asked for more money — an additional 30 million kuping (1.12 million kg) of silver — from China, the total amount thus being over 8,500 tons of silver. Russia later took control of the peninsula and the geopolitically strategic Port Arthur.

The Treaty of Shimonoseki and Taiwan
During the summit between Japanese and Qing representatives in March and April 1895, Prime Minister Hirobumi Ito and Foreign Minister Munemitsu Mutsu were serious about reducing the power of Qing Dynasty on not only Korean Peninsula but also Taiwan islands. Moreover, Mutsu had already noticed its importance in order to expand Japanese military power towards South China and Southeast Asia. It was also time of imperialism so that Japan wished to follow what the West was doing. Imperial Japan was seeking for enough colonies and resources in Korean Peninsula and Mainland China to compete with Western powers at that time, and this was the only way to prove how fast Imperial Japan since Meiji Restoration in 1867 had run after the West and how serious it was about amending unequal treaties among Western powers.

At the peace conference between Imperial Japan and Qing Dynasty, Li Hongzhang and Li Jingfang, the ambassadors at the negotiation desk of Qing Dynasty, originally did not plan to split Taiwan away from the Mainland because they also realised Taiwan’s great location for trading with the West. Therefore, even though Qing Dynasty had lost wars against Britain and France in the 19th century, Emperor of Qing was serious to keep Taiwan under its control. On 20 March 1895, at Sunpanro (春帆楼) in Shimonoseki in Japan, 1-month-long peace conference had started.

At the first half of the conference, Ito and Li talked mainly about a cease-fire agreement, and during the second half of the conference, the contents of the peace treaty were discussed. Ito and Mutsu claimed that yielding the full sovereignty of Taiwan was an absolute condition and requested Li to hand over full sovereignty of Penghu Islands and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula. Li Hongzhang refused on the grounds that Taiwan had never been a battlefield during the first Sino-Japanese War between 1894 and 1895. By the final stage of the conference, while Li Hongzhang agreed to the transfer of full sovereignty of the Penghu islands and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula to Imperial Japan, he still refused to hand over Taiwan. Li stated with regards to Taiwan that, ‘Taiwan is already a province, and therefore not to be given away (台湾已立一行省、不能送給他国).’

However, Imperial Japan was too strong for the Qing Dynasty to cope with, and eventually Li gave Taiwan up. On 17 April 1895, the peace treaty between Imperial Japan and the Qing Dynasty had been signed. This had a huge impact on Taiwan, the turning over of the island to Imperial Japan marking the end of 200 years of Qing control despite an attempt to avoid annexation by Qing loyalists.

Watch the Taiwan media, they hate Japan more than us, when we were debating Japan, but in a civil matter, that brings facts, and others, there's bias here and there, but we discuss it like adults.

Taiwan media straight blast Japanese, Philippines, and straight up racist towards India, Vietnam. They don't cover nothing up, like a Mainland show, we be like we condemn these actions, or well they could have done that better, we don't do it that way, we did it for a long time, and such.

But Taiwan goes full on crazy.

 

[Tractor]

Ma's attitude that he is the big one will lead to no result of the two-party meeting..

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Look at President Lee Teng Hui of Taiwan debating with a small small student from PRC. The PRC student keep speaking in hostile tone.

Do that to Jiang Zemin or Deng Xiaoping.

For three decades, President Ma Ying Jeou wears the same watch given by his in-laws. The watch was spoiled and sent for repair for many times.

Mrs Ma was fond of shopping for own groceries before Ma became President.

The neighbourhood of Ma's house is middle class, or maybe lower middle class.

Zhou Bin, son of Zhou Yongkang of PRC.

 

[Tractor]

Look at President Lee Teng Hui of Taiwan debating with a small small students from PRC. The PRC students keep speaking in hostile tone.

Do that to Jiang Zemin or Deng Xiaoping.

For three decades, President Ma Ying Jeou wears the same watch given by his in-laws. The watch was spoiled and sent for repair for many times.

Mrs Ma was fond of shopping for own groceries before Ma became President.

The neighbourhood of Ma's house is middle class, or maybe lower middle class.

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Zhou Bin, son of Zhou Yongkang of PRC.

Deng and Jiang are really big daddies and Li and Ma are nothing for mainlanders.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

政治社会落后腐败，人民崇拜杀人魔王老毛，文化的命被革掉， 要看中国文化应该去台北。

 

[cnleio]

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Zhou Bin, son of Zhou Yongkang of PRC.

Wow, Zhou's darkness might be exposured soon. Let's see whether PRC's Xi as same as TaiWan's Ma or Stronger ?

港媒: 周永康之子周斌将被控贪污罪受审

 

[cnleio]

Add some words to those who still support only one party rule China.

Without democratic supervision between multi-parties/groups, there'r more political vampires like Zhou will appear in China senior government, oneday own the power China will become 2nd USSR.

Before $ -MONEY-$, the CCP also changed their mind. The dream of one guy to save whole bad China, really childish idea !