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[Beidou2020]

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Today 52 Chinese Continental Army aircraft entered Taiwan’s rebellious province.

The lesson from the Meng Wanzhou battle is that escalation of tensions works in China’s favour. In a battle of attrition, China will win. Need to ramp up the scale and frequency of the aircraft patrols to 100+.

 

[Titanium100]

China missed the chance of donald trump era when invasion was possible.
now US is waiting for china to make any more before sanctions kicks in

secondly taiwan invasion is only 5-7 days game at minimum. however lashback by US & allies in terms of sanctions will be severe

Nobody would intervene nor any sanctions will come hence the fall of Taipei will be easy and smooth for Beijing but the great game is India. We will storm India in next 20-25 years (Pak-China) Why do I call it the great game because there is more to gain economically than Taiwan hence the great game.. The first great offensive will become India or first casualty. China will likely get bored down the line in the next 20-25 years hence expansion into the Indian heartland is the only way forward. Pakistan is on board and would have even went on this adventure alone if China were not to come but it seems destined that China may have as equal interest to storm the gangu lands.

The Third battle of Tarain 2047 AD

 

[Khan vilatey]

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Taiwan scrambles jets after largest ever incursion by China | Military News
October 2, 2021/0 Comments/in Aljazeera News/
At least 38 Chinese aircraft flying in two waves crossed Taiwan’s air defence zone prompting the deployment of its fighters jets.
Taiwan has reported the largest ever incursion by the Chinese air force into its air defence zone, with 38 aircraft flying in two waves as Beijing marked the founding of the People’s Republic of China.
Chinese-claimed Taiwan has complained for a year or more of repeated missions by China’s air force near the democratically governed island, often in the southwestern part of its air defence zone close to the Taiwan-controlled Pratas Islands.
The Taiwan Defence Ministry first reported Taiwanese fighters had scrambled against 18 J-16 and four Su-30 fighter jets plus two nuclear-capable H-6 bombers and an anti-submarine aircraft on Friday.
Then in the early hours of Saturday, the ministry said a further 13 Chinese aircraft were involved in a mission on Friday night – 10 J-16s, 2 H-6s and an early warning aircraft.
It said Taiwan sent combat aircraft to warn away the Chinese aircraft, while missile systems were deployed to monitor them.
The first batch of Chinese aircraft all flew in an area close to the Pratas Islands, with the two bombers flying closest to the atoll, according to a map issued by the ministry.
The second group flew down into the Bashi Channel that separates Taiwan from the Philippines, a key waterway that links the Pacific with the disputed South China Sea.
China has yet to comment on its activities. It has previously said such flights were to protect the country’s sovereignty and aimed at “collusion” between Taiwan and the United States, the island’s most important international backer.
The previous largest incursion happened in June, involving 28 Chinese air force aircraft.
China’s latest mission came less than a day after its government launched an attack on Taiwan’s foreign minister, evoking the words of revolutionary leader Mao Zedong to denounce him as a “shrilling” fly for his efforts to promote Taiwan internationally.

China has stepped up military and political pressure to try and force Taiwan to accept Chinese sovereignty.
Taiwan says it is an independent country and will defend its freedom and democracy.

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5 years ago I would have thought that China would invade Taiwan first and focus on that theater but now a lot has changed. I believe China will invade India and defeat her really badly with major territorial losses. This will create an example for the world to see how China can defeat her enemies and the superiority of Chinese weapons to force, a revisit of western policy in the south China sea. I believe all these saber retelling in Taiwan is just that saber rattling to keep the west occupied.

here is my reasoning
1) China can not invade Taiwan successfully without at least 4 carrier groups of the ford class. These will be complete by 2035.
2) China can outspend Taiwan and continue this saber retelling costing Taiwan a lot more money to defend its island. This would eventually bankrupt the Taiwanese economy
3) America has a law that requires defence of Taiwan if invaded almost guaranteeing a U.S. response
so Why attack when you can wait and build up one’s forces with 4-6 carrier groups that will ensure victory

now in indias case

1) Indian and China share a land border allowing China to move significantly higher number of forces
2)chinas Allies surround India and Pakistan will open fronts with India as well for a hard war exponentially increases chances of success
3) America and the west have no treaties to defend India and as seen in soth oretia and Ukrainian no country wants to get in a land war directly with a nuclear power case and poi Russian invasion to these regions.
4) india is a much easier target than Taiwan due to geography and strategic benefit , if Kashmir and Chinese territory is liberated chines economic corridor is Guaranteed, the Chinese will be seen as liberators in Kashmir while in Taiwan they will have very limited public support

5)india is key thorn in china’s complete dominance of South Asia and about half of the worlds population. Why would China not sort this problem out first. The Indians have also been stirring up trouble with article 370 so why not.

For all these reasons I believe india is on a much much weaker wicket than Taiwan

k

 

[DJ_Viper]

5 years ago I would have thought that China would invade Taiwan first and focus on that theater but now a lot has changed. I believe China will invade India and defeat her really badly with major territorial losses. This will create an example for the world to see how China can defeat her enemies and the superiority of Chinese weapons to force, a revisit of western policy in the south China sea. I believe all these saber retelling in Taiwan is just that saber rattling to keep the west occupied.

here is my reasoning
1) China can not invade Taiwan successfully without at least 4 carrier groups of the ford class. These will be complete by 2035.
2) China can outspend Taiwan and continue this saber retelling costing Taiwan a lot more money to defend its island. This would eventually bankrupt the Taiwanese economy
3) America has a law that requires defence of Taiwan if invaded almost guaranteeing a U.S. response
so Why attack when you can wait and build up one’s forces with 4-6 carrier groups that will ensure victory

now in indias case

1) Indian and China share a land border allowing China to move significantly higher number of forces
2)chinas Allies surround India and Pakistan will open fronts with India as well for a hard war exponentially increases chances of success
3) America and the west have no treaties to defend India and as seen in soth oretia and Ukrainian no country wants to get in a land war directly with a nuclear power case and poi Russian invasion to these regions.
4) india is a much easier target than Taiwan due to geography and strategic benefit , if Kashmir and Chinese territory is liberated chines economic corridor is Guaranteed, the Chinese will be seen as liberators in Kashmir while in Taiwan they will have very limited public support

5)india is key thorn in china’s complete dominance of South Asia and about half of the worlds population. Why would China not sort this problem out first. The Indians have also been stirring up trouble with article 370 so why not.

For all these reasons I believe india is on a much much weaker wicket than Taiwan

k

I am sorry, I am shocked to see such a long analysis so far off reality. I don't know how to respond to be frank.

 

[Khan vilatey]

I am sorry, I am shocked to see such a long analysis so far off reality. I don't know how to respond to be frank.

we have our views

k

 

[redtom]

It won't just be sanctions, it will be a war.

Relax. We have the Signal Corps at the top of the U.S. military.

 

[Wood]

It's not the first time and won't be the last.
Incursion by 38 aircraft is no small incident.
These days air defences can detect aircraft several hundred miles in neighbouring countries and usually can challenge them well ahead of any violation, either Taiwan radars are not efficient or they are often caught napping.

Or the Taiwanese were just hoping that China will go away on its own without a fuss.

Unless Taiwan can convince America to establish a proper base in Taiwan, there is no chance for Taiwan to prevail.

 

[Windjammer]

Or the Taiwanese were just hoping that China will go away on its own without a fuss.

Unless Taiwan can convince America to establish a proper base in Taiwan, there is no chance for Taiwan to prevail.

The first part reminds me of a folklore from our part of the world....A Cow is grazing in the Jungle, suddenly a Tiger appears in the area....the Cow quickly shuts it's eyes hoping the Tiger wouldn't see her either. !!
And after their haphazard withdrawal from Afghanistan, I highly doubt America wants to get embroiled in another hostility. Some think these actions by China are in direct response to American manoeuvres.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1445027188730904584

 

[DJ_Viper]

And after their haphazard withdrawal from Afghanistan, I highly doubt America wants to get embroiled in another hostility. Some think these actions by China are in direct response to American manoeuvres.

What would any nation do when there are 2-3 navies at their doorsteps or within close reach (consider US, UK and India for example)? You'd prep. The plan is to gain leverage. Scare the Taiwanese enough that they'd compel the US and others to cool down the rhetoric. But these events should now be considered the new norm in SCS. This quote sums up the situation:

“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

 

[DJ_Viper]

Relax. We have the Signal Corps at the top of the U.S. military.

Anyone has the flight path / range of these group sorties from origin to the destination? Taiwan has a pretty large ADIZ....

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[M. Sarmad]

Those who (mis)take China's extraordinary self-restraint as their weakness are clueless about the Chinese political thought process. They will silently take 'small insults' only until they achieve their 'Big Plan'. Nothing, including a war, would deter the Chinese from reclaiming what they believe is rightfully theirs, it's a matter of time only

 

[Wood]

The first part reminds me of a folklore from our part of the world....A Cow is grazing in the Jungle, suddenly a Tiger appears in the area....the Cow quickly shuts it's eyes hoping the Tiger wouldn't see her either. !!
And after their haphazard withdrawal from Afghanistan, I highly doubt America wants to get embroiled in another hostility. Some think these actions by China are in direct response to American manoeuvres.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1445027188730904584

Interesting. When push comes to shove, I agree that America will not directly engage China in any war. Today's China has the capability to easily reach American mainland with ballistic missiles. Soon, China will develop carrier strike groups of its own.

Countries that have a problem with China will have to fight their own battles. They can however rely on US to supply/sell weapons and ammunition that will allow for a credible defense against China when used with the right strategy/tactics. American interest lies in fighting with China by aiding China's enemies.

 

[Globenim]

Then again, U.S. jingoism aside, how many jets did the islands occupation force actually scramble? They only count Chinese aircraft, but not not U.S. aircraft.

 

[Zsari]

I don't think China will dare to cross the red line the US's clearly drawn that attacking Taiwan will result in a war, period. Let's pray the world can stay sane and yet another war doesn't get started.

McArthur once believed the same.

 

[redtom]

McArthur once believed the same.

MacArthur's ideas were far more reasonable. No one in the world except MAO Zedong thought China should have fought in the Korean War and could have won it.